Overcoming Transgender Issues

[SilentKnight]

Boys Will Be Girls?

Catholic Therapists Help Kids Overcome ‘Transgender’ Issues

BY CELESTE McGOVERN

REGISTER CORRESPONDENT

July 6-12, 2008 Issue | Posted 7/1/08 at 8:57 AM

PHILADELPHIA — When “Ben Carson” was 3 years old, his favorite color was pink and his best friend at nursery school was a girl. He drew flowers and he loved Snow White.

His parents noticed differences between him and other boys and they started to recall with concern the little things he had done since he was a toddler — such as wandering around the house wearing a towel robe like a dress.

“Then one evening when he was 4 years old, I was putting him into bed and he said, ‘I really don’t want to grow up,” recalled his father, a government worker in Philadelphia who requested anonymity to protect his son. “And he said, ‘I really wish I was a girl.’ Something clicked. I just knew something was really wrong with my son. He was depressed and just not happy with who he was.”

(Edited)
ncregister.com/site/article/15350

 

[aspawloski4th]

I can think of somebody this would not of worked on even a tiny amount. That person is posting here. The real test of that will be to comeback to anylize that child 3 or 4 decades later.

 

[pathia]

I can think of somebody this would not of worked on even a tiny amount. That person is posting here. The real test of that will be to comeback to anylize that child 3 or 4 decades later.

I was in therapy of this sort for nearly a decade, it was the cause of most of my suicide attempts.

 

[SilentKnight]

I can think of somebody this would not of worked on even a tiny amount.

Would you be able to elaborate on why you think so?

The real test of that will be to comeback to anylize that child 3 or 4 decades later.

Yeah, I have to admit that I was hoping for a little more in that department. Something along the lines of, “Agency X did a 20 year study and it showed…” But alas…

SK

 

[pathia]

Would you be able to elaborate on why you think so?

I believe this reference is to me, I am someone who underwent ALOT of this therapy, in secular and christian/catholic enviroments. All it did was make me depressed, suicidal, extremely high anxiety, destructive tendencies, my grades were ruined. My entire life was pretty much destroyed by the attempt to cure me. I ran away at 17, and even on my own and homeless I instantly began to get better because I was away from the shrinks trying to ‘fix’ me.

Yeah, I have to admit that I was hoping for a little more in that department. Something along the lines of, “Agency X did a 20 year study and it showed…” But alas…
SK

There are many many many very angry 'ex-ex-gay’s and ex-ex-transsexuals . They talk about abuse, suicide, quackery behind closed doors, unethical treatments and all sorts of horror stories.

 

[SilentKnight]

I believe this reference is to me, I am someone who underwent ALOT of this therapy, in secular and christian/catholic enviroments. All it did was make me depressed, suicidal, extremely high anxiety, destructive tendencies, my grades were ruined. My entire life was pretty much destroyed by the attempt to cure me. I ran away at 17, and even on my own and homeless I instantly began to get better because I was away from the shrinks trying to ‘fix’ me.

I was just about to come back and ask you if you could elaborate on your own situation here. Thank you. Would you mind mentioning what your bilogical situation is here also? Some are already aware, but some who read this thread may not be and the context may be very important to the discussion.

SK

 

[pathia]

I was just about to come back and ask you if you could elaborate on your own situation here. Thank you. Would you mind mentioning what your bilogical situation is here also? Some are already aware, but some who read this thread may not be and the context may be very important to the discussion.

SK

I am a transsexual who an unknown amount of surgery done on me for unspecified reasons when I was young. I didn’t know about it until later, after I had already begun the process of transition to the opposite sex. Chromosome analysis and hormone panels showed that I was intersexed, and not male or female.

 

[Dale_M]

Quoting from the NCR article:

If young Ben lived in Massachusetts, he could be a candidate for “gender reassignment” treatment at a children’s hospital there that recently opened a controversial clinic that allows young children to select their own gender and treats them with hormones.

This sentence came early in the article and is misleading as it suggests (incorrecly) that Ben would be receiving hormones. The author much later says (correctly) that Ben wouldn’t receive a hormone to block adolescence until just before adolescence (age 12 - 14). What she doesn’t say is that the effects of this hormone are fully reversible. If the individual decides that they are mistaken, the hormone is stopped and normal adolescence begins. But once adolescence begins the changes to the body are irreversible - this is the reason to use a hormone to block adolescence, to buy the individual more time in order to make up their mind.

Quoting from the NCR article:

Consequently, the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that, “except when performed for strictly therapeutic medical reason, directly intended amputations, mutilations and sterilizations performed on innocent persons are against the moral law” (No. 2297).

I think the author’s use of this citation is highly misleading. The Catechism is referring to procedures which are done against the will of the patient, which is not the case in transsexual surgery.

The article cites Paul McHugh and Richard Fitzgibbons that hormones and surgery do not bring relief. The article doesn’t make clear that their opinions are not supported by the overwhelming majority of persons who have been treated for transsexualism or who treat transsexualism.

I dunno… this article seems pretty sloppy. :nope:

 

[pathia]

The article cites Paul McHugh and Richard Fitzgibbons that hormones and surgery do not bring relief. The article doesn’t make clear that their opinions are not supported by the overwhelming majority of persons who have been treated for transsexualism or who treat transsexualism.

I dunno… this article seems pretty sloppy. :nope:

Any time Paul McHugh is quoted it bothers me. He has done nothing with the community/study/treatment of transsexuals since he shut down that program. How can someone be an ‘expert’ in a field they haven’t touched in over a DECADE?

Would people trust a brain surgeon that hadn’t performed in over ten years? Actually, just looked it up, he shut down the Hopkins clinic 1979, so he hasn’t had exposure or time to study transsexuals almost thirty years. Yet the Vatican brought him in as an expert on the matter.

 

[aspawloski4th]

Would you be able to elaborate on why you think so?

Yeah, I have to admit that I was hoping for a little more in that department. Something along the lines of, “Agency X did a 20 year study and it showed…” But alas…

SK

First that somebody is me. Although it wasn’t Catholic counseling per-se, it was from the special ed school I went to.
Second I prsonally know a few transsexuals who have completed their transitioning and with how well adjusted they are the only logical conclusion one could come up with and still be intellectually honest is that they did what they needed and what was good for them.
Remember it the church believed the Earth was the center of the solar system, and actually sponsored burning at the stake. While I don’t hold contempt like some do, I realize that the church can make mistakes. Albeit not frequently but a little ways from never.

 

[SilentKnight]

Sorry, been really busy with life and one other thread here lately. Not forgetting this thread, just haven’t had enough time for it. Will return as soon as I can…

SK

 

[Dale_M]

Sorry, been really busy with life and one other thread here lately. Not forgetting this thread, just haven’t had enough time for it. Will return as soon as I can…

What!!!

You mean you have a life outside of CAF? How dare you?!?!

 

[pathia]

cercor.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/short/18/8/1900?rss=1

This study just came out. Short story is, transsexuals have regions in their brains that are mapped as females, and they are in regions that don’t seem to be modified by behavior and/or estrogen therapy.

 

[aspawloski4th]

cercor.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/short/18/8/1900?rss=1

This study just came out. Short story is, transsexuals have regions in their brains that are mapped as females, and they are in regions that don’t seem to be modified by behavior and/or estrogen therapy.

Funny how there is no answer to this post, has the other side of this issue finally smelled the coffee and the toast burning? The other side picks mighty peculer times to ignore posts here.

 

[Zoe_Brain]

Funny how there is no answer to this post, has the other side of this issue finally smelled the coffee and the toast burning? The other side picks mighty peculer times to ignore posts here.

No, I think they just delete them.

This is not a particularly helpful strategy, nor one that reflects credit on the Church.

 

[SilentKnight]

Second I prsonally know a few transsexuals who have completed their transitioning and with how well adjusted they are the only logical conclusion one could come up with and still be intellectually honest is that they did what they needed and what was good for them.

Remember it the church believed the Earth was the center of the solar system, and actually sponsored burning at the stake. While I don’t hold contempt like some do, I realize that the church can make mistakes. Albeit not frequently but a little ways from never.

Ok, well, if it’s intellectual honesty we’re honestly after, then we need to recognize distinctions between Church teaching and commonly held societal (which, of course, church members are a part of) beliefs, first of all. Everybody at that time just assumed that the Earth was the center of the solar system. The earth’s relationship to other planets was not then and never will be the subject of official Church teaching. It’s not a theological issue.

So, no, the Church has never and will never be wrong when promulgating Christian doctrine. God prevents that. Church members, of course, (all the way up to the pope himself) can always be wrong when formulating their own scientific opinions (and even theological opinions when it’s their own opinions we’re talking about).

As for the few transsexuals you’ve referenced, what of those for whom the opposite is true? (Just a question for discussion.)

SK

 

[SilentKnight]

Funny how there is no answer to this post, has the other side of this issue finally smelled the coffee and the toast burning? The other side picks mighty peculer times to ignore posts here.

Sorry. Life happens sometimes.

As for the coffee and toast burning… Presuming an accurate summary on Pathia’s behalf, what does this isolated study prove to you that contradicts the Church’s position on the matter?

SK

 

[Zoe_Brain]

Presuming an accurate summary on Pathia’s behalf, what does this isolated study prove to you that contradicts the Church’s position on the matter?

A Sex Difference in the Human Brain and its Relation to Transsexuality

Male-to-Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus

fMRT zur Diagnose bei Transsexualität geprüft translation here.

Prenatal exposure to diethylstilbestrol(DES) in males and gender-related disorders:results from a 5-year study
The last one shows that the incidence of Transsexuality after prenatal exposure to DES exceeds the incidence of birth defects after prenatal exposure to Thalidomide,

The rest show that Transsexuality has a biological cause - a masculinised brain in a mostly feminised body, or the reverse. It’s a form of Intersex.

There have been an awful lot of “isolated studies” now, conducted by different research teams in different parts of the world, all looking at different areas using different techniques, and all coming to the same conclusion.

 

[SilentKnight]

Namely…?

That because there is a biological component to transsexuality, it is automatically normative?

SK

 

[Catholic_Dude]

Boys Will Be Girls?

Catholic Therapists Help Kids Overcome ‘Transgender’ Issues

BY CELESTE McGOVERN

REGISTER CORRESPONDENT

July 6-12, 2008 Issue | Posted 7/1/08 at 8:57 AM

PHILADELPHIA — When “Ben Carson” was 3 years old, his favorite color was pink and his best friend at nursery school was a girl. He drew flowers and he loved Snow White.

His parents noticed differences between him and other boys and they started to recall with concern the little things he had done since he was a toddler — such as wandering around the house wearing a towel robe like a dress.

“Then one evening when he was 4 years old, I was putting him into bed and he said, ‘I really don’t want to grow up,” recalled his father, a government worker in Philadelphia who requested anonymity to protect his son. “And he said, ‘I really wish I was a girl.’ Something clicked. I just knew something was really wrong with my son. He was depressed and just not happy with who he was.”

(Edited)
ncregister.com/site/article/15350

That story is obviously a total lie, fabricated and twisted into a story by the homosexual lobby.

I don’t buy that story for a second.