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Liberalsaved said:
And of course (fair warning: if you get offended easily, you’d better stop reading right here), it’s absurd to suggest personal responsibility, to the effect that maybe whatever you beleive is out there has a plan for Earth, but that it doesn’t mean you can chalk everything up to the will of God and just ignore it and do nothing. To me, that’s the last resort of the lazy and uncaring. I make the personal choice not to divulge personal details of what I beleive. But if God put us here, it wasn’t just to sit around and wait for Him to intervene. What would be the point of that?
No, we’re here, no matter what you beleive, with a responsibility to take care of the world. We can’t rely on God or any other leader for absolutely everything. By denying that these things are problems, by saying that every child is planned and sacred (note to certain people: nowhere in here am I advocating abortion) and that we should not encourage people to adopt or have fewer children, or rather an amount of children they can support, and point to God as a reason, is irresponsible. We, right now, have a responsibility to this world. If God was going to handle everything, he, she or it would not have given us free will.
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What is responsible about forcing women to have sterilizations? What is responsible about not telling women the truth about contraception and abortive procedures? What is responsible about placing things of a material nature over the dignity and value of human life?

The Church isn’t asking women (and men for that matter) to just fill their wombs every nine months with little Christian soldiers.
But having more than 1.7 (forget 2.5) children is not irresponsible. It is certainly a sacrifice on many levels, but we seem to live in a time when sacrifice is confused with inconvenience.

God gave us free will not so that we could fix our own problems. There is no human being or other diety on this Earth that can fix the smallest of our own individual problems, let alone those that plague humanity as a whole. Free will is a gift that allows us to choose Him without reservation or compulsion. It also allows us to reject Him. It is that rejection that allows evil to exist. Reconcilliation to Him will change the world. We will always have problems, that is the nature of our existance. But only God gives us the ability that doesn’t exist in ourselves, a *supernatural *ability, through grace, to change ourselves and each other.
 
Holly3278 said:
Overpopulation is a myth and even if it were true, it’d be no excuse for murdering a human being.
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its not overpopulation per-se that the Left wants to end-its the birth of black, brown and yellow babies that they oppose. How many plannned parenthood clinics are there in beverly hills?
 
Jennifer123 said:
What is responsible about forcing women to have sterilizations? What is responsible about not telling women the truth about contraception and abortive procedures? What is responsible about placing things of a material nature over the dignity and value of human life?
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I wanted to note for others that I did not advocate any of the things being spoken against in this post. Just for, y’know, truth.
 
estesbob said:
its not overpopulation per-se that the Left wants to end-its the birth of black, brown and yellow babies that they oppose. How many plannned parenthood clinics are there in beverly hills?
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klanparenthood.com/

In America today, almost as many African-American children are aborted as are born.

A black baby is three times more likely to be murdered in the womb than a white baby.

Since 1973, abortion has reduced the black population by over 25 percent.

Twice as many African-Americans have died from abortion than have died from AIDS, accidents, violent crimes, cancer, and heart disease combined.

Every three days, more African-Americans are killed by abortion than have been killed by the Ku Klux Klan in its entire history.

Planned Parenthood operates the nation’s largest chain of abortion clinics and almost 80 percent of its facilities are located in minority neighborhoods.

About 13 percent of American women are black, but they submit to over 35 percent of the abortions.
 
PLAL said:
klanparenthood.com/

In America today, almost as many African-American children are aborted as are born.

A black baby is three times more likely to be murdered in the womb than a white baby.

Since 1973, abortion has reduced the black population by over 25 percent.

Twice as many African-Americans have died from abortion than have died from AIDS, accidents, violent crimes, cancer, and heart disease combined.

Every three days, more African-Americans are killed by abortion than have been killed by the Ku Klux Klan in its entire history.

Planned Parenthood operates the nation’s largest chain of abortion clinics and almost 80 percent of its facilities are located in minority neighborhoods.

About 13 percent of American women are black, but they submit to over 35 percent of the abortions.
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The sad part is planned parenthood made no secret of its goals when it was founded. It’s goal to elminate the undersirable races and the poor. Today that the Left tries to dress it up under the guise of “population control” but the goal is the same.
 
Liberalsaved said:
I wanted to note for others that I did not advocate any of the things being spoken against in this post. Just for, y’know, truth.
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I never said you did, I’m sorry if I led people to think that you had. But I was addressing your point that having more babies than what society deems “acceptable”, is in your word, “irresponsible”. I happen to disagree (obviously 😃 ) and think that the tactics used by those who hold to an “overpopulation” theory are highly irresponsible and even immoral.
 
estesbob said:
The sad part is planned parenthood made no secret of its goals when it was founded. It’s goal to elminate the undersirable races and the poor. Today that the Left tries to dress it up under the guise of “population control” but the goal is the same.
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I agree but with one addition - the left actually tries to dress it up under the word “choice” along with additional appeals to “compassion” and “dignity”. Meaning those who disagree are automatically labled and attempted to be shamed into submission. Just my :twocents: 👍
 
Jennifer123 said:
I never said you did, I’m sorry if I led people to think that you had. But I was addressing your point that having more babies than what society deems “acceptable”, is in your word, “irresponsible”. I happen to disagree (obviously 😃 ) and think that the tactics used by those who hold to an “overpopulation” theory are highly irresponsible and even immoral.
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I don’t think society “deems” anything. The population, in my lifetime, indeed in what would be considered my youth, is expected to jump to 9 billion. That’s 3 million more people, and we haven’t got the ability to support everyone already here. It’s not morality or immorality, it’s simple math.
 
Liberalsaved said:
I don’t think society “deems” anything. The population, in my lifetime, indeed in what would be considered my youth, is expected to jump to 9 billion. That’s 3 million more people, and we haven’t got the ability to support everyone already here. It’s not morality or immorality, it’s simple math.
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Then you haven’t been accosted like I have for having two boys 16 months apart. I’ve been told twice (so far) that I have too many kids. By complete strangers. Nevermind the gasps of “my goodness how do you do it” and the like which happen daily.

We may be in some sort of boom but that won’t last forever. There will be a precipitous drop fairly soon, which according to studies, won’t be at all nice. Human beings are not the problem. The solution is not acting immorally to limit their creation or hasten their deaths. The problems are numerous but there are solutions. We are more than just consumers or Gaia viruses. We are also productive and creative.
 
Liberalsaved said:
I don’t think society “deems” anything. The population, in my lifetime, indeed in what would be considered my youth, is expected to jump to 9 billion. That’s 3 million more people, and we haven’t got the ability to support everyone already here. It’s not morality or immorality, it’s simple math.
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That is the generally accepted secular opinion yes. Unfortunately, it is incorrect. It is not that we cannot support the population. It is that for the most part people are unwilling to perform the actions necessary to support the population. The primary reason there seems to be an over population problem is not due to the birth rate. It is due to hedonism. Pure hedonism. And these days, even the most ardent Catholic in the western world would be reluctant to make the changes necessary in their life style to support a larger population. It is sort of like this liberalsaved: you are entirely correct for all the wrong reasons.😃 The truth is we begin to claim overpopulation when we cannot have the pleasure we seek because it is necessary to feed another person instead. Instead of slowing the pleasures, we would rather just stop the populating.
 
tequilamac said:
The primary reason there seems to be an over population problem is not due to the birth rate. It is due to hedonism. Pure hedonism.
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No. The primary reason there seems to be overpopulation is brutal dictators, who enslave their people, steal money lent for development, and who use hunger as a weapon.
 
vern_humphrey said:
No. The primary reason there seems to be overpopulation is brutal dictators, who enslave their people, steal money lent for development, and who use hunger as a weapon.
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Yes Vern. That is exactly what I said. Hedonism. But thanks for the extrapolation.
 
tequilamac said:
Yes Vern. That is exactly what I said. Hedonism. But thanks for the extrapolation.
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Hedonism and totalitarinism are two different things.

People are hungry in areas where their governments are corrupt and brutal, not because other people “overconsume.” There is plenty of food in the world – lack of food isn’t the problem. The problem is getting it to the hungry.
 
vern_humphrey said:
Hedonism and totalitarinism are two different things.

People are hungry in areas where their governments are corrupt and brutal, not because other people “overconsume.” There is plenty of food in the world – lack of food isn’t the problem. The problem is getting it to the hungry.
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This is what I said, Vern. Hedonism. For instance: one could call Saddam Hussein a hedonist, not just a totalitarian. A corrupt and brutal government. Castro- a hedonist. Shall I continue? When hedonism abounds in the world, people starve. To deny that is to deny one of the central tenets of our faith.
Hedonism=Death. Charity and self sacrifice=Life. Why do you think totalitarian governments exist? Hedonism.
We do not get the food to the hungry because hedonism is in the way. We do not strain ourselves making sure the food gets to the hungry because hedonsim gets in the way.
 
tequilamac said:
This is what I said, Vern. Hedonism. For instance: one could call Saddam Hussein a hedonist, not just a totalitarian. A corrupt and brutal government. Castro- a hedonist. Shall I continue?
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No. That joke is only funny the first time you tell it.😃
 
vern_humphrey said:
No. That joke is only funny the first time you tell it.😃
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I don’t find Hussein funny. And a basic teaching of the Church is not funny either, Vern. Hedonism is from the devil and hedonism comes in many forms- totalitarianism, materialism, and obstinate deliberate stupidity. If you find Husseins need to win the olympics causing him to torture his athletes funny, I will pray for you. If you find my insistence on hedonism as a root cause of “overpopulation” funny, you must also find the Pope’s condemnation of materialism in the Western World hilarious. Your contrariness was only cute the first around on the walmart channel. Now it is boring.
 
Just an interesting observation in the lead story on CNN.COM (U.S. News)
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“U.S. at 300 million: ‘Heaven on earth’ to 'uncharted territory”**

"The population of the United States will reach 300 million early Tuesday, the U.S. Census Bureau says. The United States has become a “supersize, metro-nation with a fast-growing population, and supersize appetites for housing, land and resource consumption,” one expert says. The U.S. is now a vastly different nation from the one where the Baby Boomers were born.

Population clock: 299,994,451

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The report identifies a variety of the “sustainability issues”; CNN senior political analyst Bill Schneider states that “you’re going to find people in a ferocious scramble for a diminishing number of resources”

You might not want to use the word “overpopulation” but you have to admit there are an awful lot of human beings trying to live on this little planet.

Go with Love, Go with God!
 
DarkNight said:
You might not want to use the word “overpopulation” but you have to admit there are an awful lot of human beings trying to live on this little planet.
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I think over-population is a sensitive term. It puts us on a bit of the same level as the hundreds of other species competing for survival, so I think some people immediately labor under the impression that those who beleive it happens see humans as animals.
 
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