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I think over-population is a sensitive term. It puts us on a bit of the same level as the hundreds of other species competing for survival, so I think some people immediately labor under the impression that those who beleive it happens see humans as animals.
I see your point and you are probably right but to me it immediately raises my hackes bc I think of the methods used to depopulate the Earth, which IMHO is abhorrent and unjust. That’s what I think of anyway FWIW. 😉
 
It’s not a question of current population growth being a myth. The fact is the world is already overpopulated. To be more precise, there is not enough land to sustain the current population
With all due respect, I just don’t think this is true. The old “basket cases” were India and China. China, in particular was thought to be hopeless, as it has nowhere near the arable land the U.S., for example, has. Too many people, too little land, was what everyone said. Now, both China and India are self-sufficient in food. Too little technology was the real problem, now solved.

In many parts of the hunger-stricken parts of the world, there is plenty of useable land. But wars, lack of technology and the actions of governments are the primary causes of hunger. Zimbabwe, for example, was once a major exporter of food. Now it is a net importer; not because of population, but because Mugabe has destroyed the farm infrastructure.
 
With all due respect, I just don’t think this is true. The old “basket cases” were India and China. China, in particular was thought to be hopeless, as it has nowhere near the arable land the U.S., for example, has. Too many people, too little land, was what everyone said. Now, both China and India are self-sufficient in food. Too little technology was the real problem, now solved.

In many parts of the hunger-stricken parts of the world, there is plenty of useable land. But wars, lack of technology and the actions of governments are the primary causes of hunger. Zimbabwe, for example, was once a major exporter of food. Now it is a net importer; not because of population, but because Mugabe has destroyed the farm infrastructure.
anyone working in wildlife biology can tell you the problem for any biological species on this HUGE planet is not a lack of room. The problem is in the misuse of the room available. Whether it be in a human population or an animal population, the population rules still apply. If one uses all available land for tract houses mountain lions have no where to go and nothing to eat except you of course. If one uses all available agricultural land for parking lots tract houses and cattle grazing, then humans have nothing to eat except maybe mountain lions. It takes five times as much cattle land to feed people then it does grain, vegetable, fruit land. Beef cattle is one of the biggest wastes of resources available today.
 
Okay, maybe I have sinned. I’m sure that the Church says I have sinned. But I’m real happy with my decision.
Really? You are happy that you have sinned? That sounds like a worse sin than any other you could possibly commit! Telling God that not only do you not care that you have offended Him, but you’re glad you did it? I think mass murderers go to heaven before folks like you.

You need all our prayers. 😦
 
Really? You are happy that you have sinned? That sounds like a worse sin than any other you could possibly commit! Telling God that not only do you not care that you have offended Him, but you’re glad you did it? I think mass murderers go to heaven before folks like you.

You need all our prayers. 😦
I said I was happy with my decision. I stand by that. I never said I was happy that I may have sinned. Actually, I am very unhappy that I may have sinned in the eyes of the church. What saddens me is that the church’s teachings are such that people have no choice about their family size. It essentially says that couples must have babies as long as it is physically possible if they wish to avoid being sinners. I believe that couples must decide how many children they want to be responsible for and go with their consciences. You may consider me a worse person than a mass murderer but in my view you probably need save your prayers for yourself!
 
I said I was happy with my decision. I stand by that. I never said I was happy that I may have sinned. Actually, I am very unhappy that I may have sinned in the eyes of the church. What saddens me is that the church’s teachings are such that people have no choice about their family size. It essentially says that couples must have babies as long as it is physically possible if they wish to avoid being sinners. I believe that couples must decide how many children they want to be responsible for and go with their consciences. You may consider me a worse person than a mass murderer but in my view you probably need save your prayers for yourself!
Tjm8: Being happy with a decision you made to commit a sin sounds pretty bad regardless of what kind of spin you like to put on it. Just so you know, the Church does not teach that couples are required to continue having children as long as humanly possible. The Church teaches that we should be open to children. But if you have a good reason not to have children (perhaps you already have 10 of them and don’t think you could provide for any more, or maybe your doctor has told your wife she shouldn’t have more for medical reasons) then you are certainly allowed to stop. You can also delay having children after marriage, or space them out if need be. The Church just wants you to make these decisions out of necessity, not selfishness. Now if you limit yourself to 2 children solely because you want to be able to afford that Lexus and have time to golf every weekend, then that is selfish and sinful.

I am going to assume that you decided not to have more children for a good reason, and if that is the case then you have not sinned and can stop worrying about it. If you did decide for selfish reasons, go to Confession and then stop worrying about it. And of course you are right that I need prayers too, but you will have some of mine regardless.🙂
 
Just an observation

from the BBC website …
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6080074.stm

The living planet: facts and figures

“The planet’s natural resources are being consumed faster than they can be replaced, according to the WWF.

If current trends continue two planets would be needed by 2050 to meet humanity’s demands.

On average each person needs 2.2 global hectares to support the demands they place on the environment, but the planet is only able to meet consumption levels of 1.8 global hectares per person.

Humanity’s demand for resources is now outstripping supply by about 25% … Meanwhile the health of the planet’s ecosystems, measured by the living planet index, is falling, at “a rate unprecedented in human history,” according to the WWF.

On average land based species have declined by 31% between 1970 and 2003. Tropical species have been the hardest hit, declining by 55%. Marine species have declined by 25% over the same period.”

God created an incredible universe. And created human beings as caretakers - at least of our small planet.
So the question becomes, Are we being the best caretakers we can be?

Go with Love, Go with God!
 
You think anything from the WWF is worth reading?
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Can The Entire World Population Fit Within The Boundries of Texas?

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1 Acre = 43,560 Square Feet

1 Square Mile = 640 Acres or 27,878,400 Square Feet (640 x 43,560)


World Population = 6,276,000,000 people

State of Texas = 268,601 Square Miles or 171,904,640 Acres (268,601 x 640) or 7,488,166,118,400 Square Feet (268,601 x 640 x 43,560)

Average Size 2-Story Home with 3-4 Bedrooms = 1,500 to 2,400 Square Feet (Thus 750 - 1,200 Square Feet is Needed on the Ground Floor).

This home would fit 5-6 people per house comfortably!

Therefore 150-240 (750 to 1,200/ 5 people per household) Square Feet of Ground Space Per Person is needed to fit 5-6 people comfortably in a 2-story home in the state of Texas.

State of Texas = 7,488,166,118,400 Square Feet/ 6,276,000,000 people in the world = 1,193 Square Feet Per Person is available for the entire world’s population to live in the state of Texas.

As noted above only 150-240 Square Feet of Ground Space is needed per person to fit 5-6 people comfortably in a 2-story home in the state of Texas!!!
 
To ptsteichen -
The data in the WWF report was compiled independently by the Zoological Society of London. I read various reports on how human beings are failing in their job as caretakers. This includes reports on how we tend not to fail once failure becomes financially disadvantageous.

From BBC website
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6077798.stm?ls

The report, compiled by the Zoological Society of London (ZSL) and the Global Footprint Network, is based on data from two indicators:
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* Living Planet Index - assesses the health of the planet's ecosystems
* Ecological Footprint - measures human demand on the natural world


The findings echo a study published earlier this month that said the world went into “ecological debt” on 9 October this year.

The study by UK-based think-tank New Economics Foundation (Nef) was based on the Ecological Footprint data compiled by the Global Footprint Network, which also provided the figures for this latest report from the WWF.

Go with Love, Go with God!
 
The study by UK-based think-tank New Economics Foundation (Nef) was based on the Ecological Footprint data compiled by the Global Footprint Network, which also provided the figures for this latest report from the WWF.
DarkNight:

Anyone can go to the Global Footprint Network and see that they are obviously a left wing environmentalist organization. Similar to the WWF (the first person on their Who We Are page used to work for the WWF), this organization has an obvious bias.

I agree that we need to be good stewards of the world God made for us, but people will always be more important than animals and plants. When organizations start recommending immoral means of controlling populations, they have lost the proper perspective.
 
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Screw the rest of the world resources, I want my 100 inch panel TV and my Hummer.
And if I have to kill a few innocent lives to get it, so be it. You can’t be happy unless you can achieve y standard of living so its only for their own good that they die now rather than live miserably later.
 
I recalled when you spoke of simple math that a man named Malthus said in the eighteenth century that while population increases geometrically, agriculture increases arithmatically. Accordingly, in the not too distant future because of this the world will be filled with famine and disaster. However, that never happened, and no one quotes him now. Things are far more complicated than simple math seems to show.
It does seem possible that a contraceptive society is leading to a population decline in the West. But this all is very menacing. Western countries are facing severe economic trials in the future. Not only is a halt to populatin growth a reason why social security will not be able to give the proper retirement benefits in the U.S. in a decade or two because there are fewer young people putting money into social security, but in Europe especially(where the population is seriously shrinking) they will no longer be able to pay for the social benefits people receive unless they increase taxes very greatly. Neither reducing them or raising taxes grreatly would be accpeted by the people in Western courtries, but the choice will have to be made. It is hard not to imagine serious social turmoil as differing groups such as the retired, in Europe especially, fight over the shrinking money available.

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…All it takes is simple math to see that high fertility with low mortality will lead to overpopulation eventually. The “slowdown” is not some inevitable thing that proves the anti-overpopulation folks

Edwin
 
Exactly, Exactly. And there are no population control organizations that do NOT support abortion- they all do- they all want universal right to abortion on demand, hence trying to push that through the U.N.
I THINK THE INFORMATION YOU GAVE US ON OVER POPULATION WAS GREAT . I did not know it had slowed down ,because of the immigrants GROWTH IN THE USA. Thank you for the information and I like WHATyou said about our precious JESUS…IS HE YOUR SAVIOUR TOO…

JESUS BLESS US AND HELP US TO KNOW GOD
 
Part of the problem is in our misinterpretation of Genesis 1:28

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Be fruitful - be productive in matters of the spirit allowing the will of God to be achieved in and through your life.
Multiply - Increase in understanding and knowledge
Replenish the earth - sustain the earth for all future generations
Have dominion - be good managers of all the earths creatures

Until we move away from the idea that God instructed us to continue populating the earth ad infinitum we have not correctly understood the “Great Charge”…the first words of God found in the Bible.
 
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