Padre Pio and the Ordinary Form Mass

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I hide it pretty well! I learned French before English, and I live in a French-speaking part of Canada. So outside of my wife who is anglophone (and our kids who are bilingual), I speak mostly French.
 
Jbrady said:
Probably not. There is a story circulating among radical traditionalists that he asked to still be allowed to say the Tridentine Mass, and that the Vatican granted that request.
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Most old Priests did that… it wasn’t because they wouldn’t want to celebrate New Mass, but because they did not want to bother learning if in their old age. Even if Padre Pio asked for that, there’s not much about it tbh.
Jbrady said:
Some radical traditionalists see in him a fellow traveler who would have rejected and denounced the Novus Ordo Missae had he lived long enough to see it introduced. That is a pretty far-fetched bit of wishful thinking, with no basis in reality.
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Fun part is that he actually praised Second Vatican Council 😃
 
Greetings.
I didn’t mean to say that any correction or warning is forbidden, but that schism is not the solution.
Correction is needed in some situations, and it would be wrong to not correct/warn, but again, schism is wrong.
So, blind obedience? No.
 
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CroatCatholic said:
So, blind obedience? No.
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Obedience is what religious profess. The only exception is obeying a command to sin.

Clearly he didn’t think Vatican II was a sin. So any speculation about publicly denouncing the still-not-promulgated new Mass is misplaced. And anything said to his superior went to both their graves.

Making this a totally useless exercise.
 
spiritualsamurai said:
an objectively inferior form of the liturgy
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Really?

You ought to try Protestant worship services.

The first time my husband and I attended a Mass (2002), it was the Ordinary Form done in a Catholic church that is “contemporary” in its design (built in 1972), although nowadays, it would be considered very dated.

The music was from the Gather Hymnal.

My husband and I came away saying, “Wow, it was like stepping back into the Middle Ages! So ancient! So traditional! So very different than what we are used to in Evangelical Protestant churches! So deep! So thoughtful! So much silence compared to our worship services! And such traditional prayers and hymns with just a piano instead of a rock band! And the Sign of Peace is so subdued compared to our “Greet your pewmate” times! And everyone was so quiet before the Mass began–hardly any conversation! And FOUR Bible readings–I didn’t even know that Catholics read the Bible in their Mass!”

I’m not kidding or being sarcastic, spiritualsamurai. To us Protestants, that OF Mass felt like something ancient.

And thank goodness it was in our own language. We would not have returned if the Mass had been in a foreign language. I think that many Protestants like us have probably had the same lovely surprise when they visited a Catholic Church that prays the Mass in the vernacular, and have ended up converting just like we did.
 
spiritualsamurai said:
However, even amongst valid and licit liturgies, I think we can evaluate, based on extrinsic merit, the superior liturgies.
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Sorry, but I don’t buy the “extrinsic merit” argument, at least as described by Fr. Ripperger in “The Merit of the Mass”. It really boils down to personal preference, assuming that each Mass is actually celebrated according to the rubrics.
 
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