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Next time he has a headache give him an eyeball massage with a couple of jalapeno peppers. Tell him they are high in capsaicin, which is an effective, all-natural pain medication, and the screaming will die down after he gets used to it.
 
MissMe2, that is very sad for me to hear. If you are in a position to do so, I think you should really consider leaving someone who has hurt you and your children physically. There is absolutely no excuse for that kind of behavior. You don’t deserve it.
 
You know, after much therapy and chats with priests… I have considered leaving.

The thing is… He seems to have improved (aside from my massage) so it leaves me wondering if I should just forgive… And try to forget.

Interesting to note… That “massage” I got today… hurts tonight. My husband hugged me goodbye tonight and his arm brushed my back/shoulder and it felt bruised. It turns out I can’t even lightly run my hand over the area without feeling soreness from the “massage”. That can’t be normal.
 
Therapists have described my husband as a narcissist before.
Have you gotten counselling for yourself, so you’ll have coaching and support through the considerably difficult task of living with him without feeling as if you’re going crazy?

All of us have our faults, and to some degree all of us give other people the need to re-orient to reality by the use of outside support. In a marriage, both of us are furniture that has been knocked a bit off of perpendicular. Any of us can be a walking optical illusion.

Someone with a serious emotional slant, however, can really mess with the orientation of those around him or her, because of course this person, like everyone else, feels a need to see and characterize the rest of the world in such a way as to reassure ourselves that even our obviously “off” angles are more or less close to “square.”

If you are married to someone with an issue such as narcissism, consider on-going counselling as an investment in your own sanity and safety. Maybe it only needs to be a wise friend, but you need someone to give you reassurance that yes, you are sane and that your husband does, in fact, have a permanent slant that he doesn’t acknowledge and that colors most things that he says and does. Dancing the dance that is required to navigate life with a narcissist is hard enough. Doing it without someone to coach you and encourage you is more than you should ask yourself.

I’ll echo** Et Cetera**: You also need someone to help you avoid denial of dangerous situations, because they are prone to happen and you are prone to minimize them. Not certainly going to do it, but you are definitely at a real risk of acting slowly when you need to act quickly and decisively. You need someone to help you keep on the lookout in order to keep yourself and your child safe.
 
I appreciate your advice. You are right. I often fail to realize how abnormal some of my life is with my husband… Until I bring it up in therapy. It is important for me to remember that my perception is skewed. Sometimes that shows up at odd times… Like when my husband shows up at my work to meet me for dinner and is rude to my boss. It often takes big examples to get me to see the entire picture.

The problem for me is… A lot of his problem surrounds his cluelessness. Or at least it appears that way.

But here’s another question… Can someone like him… Who has hurt our child a couple times out of anger (pushing him) really change long term? He seems to have corrected his short fuse. And it helps that the kids are getting older… But I wanted more children. I just never felt I could trust him around another infant.
 
I appreciate your advice. You are right. I often fail to realize how abnormal some of my life is with my husband… Until I bring it up in therapy. It is important for me to remember that my perception is skewed. Sometimes that shows up at odd times… Like when my husband shows up at my work to meet me for dinner and is rude to my boss. It often takes big examples to get me to see the entire picture.

The problem for me is… A lot of his problem surrounds his cluelessness. Or at least it appears that way.

But here’s another question… Can someone like him… Who has hurt our child a couple times out of anger (pushing him) really change long term? He seems to have corrected his short fuse. And it helps that the kids are getting older… But I wanted more children. I just never felt I could trust him around another infant.
You need to protect your child first. Your husband is an adult. You need to talk to your priest. Do you have family to stay with until and unless your husband changes. No one here can tell you whether your husband can change. Prayers for you and your child.
 
Next time he has a headache give him an eyeball massage with a couple of jalapeno peppers. Tell him they are high in capsaicin, which is an effective, all-natural pain medication, and the screaming will die down after he gets used to it.
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Thanks for adding a moment of laughter to an otherwise serious thread!
 
I appreciate your advice. You are right. I often fail to realize how abnormal some of my life is with my husband… Until I bring it up in therapy. It is important for me to remember that my perception is skewed. Sometimes that shows up at odd times… Like when my husband shows up at my work to meet me for dinner and is rude to my boss. It often takes big examples to get me to see the entire picture.

The problem for me is… A lot of his problem surrounds his cluelessness. Or at least it appears that way.

But here’s another question… Can someone like him… Who has hurt our child a couple times out of anger (pushing him) really change long term? He seems to have corrected his short fuse. And it helps that the kids are getting older… But I wanted more children. I just never felt I could trust him around another infant.
Hon, he’s NOT clueless! The clueless are not bullies, they don’t cause pain intentionally, and if you tell them to STOP, they will stop. They might be surprised at your vehemence, but they will respect your boundaries. Your husband is NOT clueless!

How old are your children? How did this “pushing” take place? If you know that he is not safe around a baby, doesn’t that tell you something? How can YOU feel safe?

😦
 
I will admit that I felt like I was having an out of body experience when I realized that he was not acting appropriately with our son. I disregarded it as “an accident” as he told me it was… But my gut told me otherwise. This all unfolded about a year ago and I demanded therapy for both of us. He acted as if I made a big deal over nothing. My son (4) stepped on his foot and he shoved him backwards. The way he hit the wall behind him… Knocked the wind out of my son and he had trouble breathing. My husband said it was just an accidental response to his own pain of his foot being stepped on.

Now, that kind of thing hasn’t happened anymore. We talked about it in therapy and the therapist seemed to believe it was indeed an accident.

I don’t see him acting this way anymore… But I do see that his short fuse pops up from time to time. When he gets frustrated he melts down like a child might… He grits his teeth and grunts in anger and gets pretty ticked.

The only issues we are having these days (physically) are with his massage on me… Which I won’t let happen again AND when he tickles my son (or me) he squeezes too hard. I always have to run in and intervene when he’s ticking him because my son will scream (through laughter) ow! Ow! And I KNOW what he’s going through. He grabs his thigh and squeezes the muscles to the point of leaving red marks. But my crazy son will go back 20 minutes later and ask for more! Drives me crazy. But DH just tells me it is horseplay and I need to settle down. But… I know how it feels! He kneads the muscle in the thigh to the point it hurts!

Again… If he read this… He’d just roll his eyes and say “this again?”. He thinks I’m a big overreacter. But I don’t think tickling should ever hurt!
 
I will admit that I felt like I was having an out of body experience when I realized that he was not acting appropriately with our son. I disregarded it as “an accident” as he told me it was… But my gut told me otherwise. This all unfolded about a year ago and I demanded therapy for both of us. He acted as if I made a big deal over nothing. My son (4) stepped on his foot and he shoved him backwards. The way he hit the wall behind him… Knocked the wind out of my son and he had trouble breathing. My husband said it was just an accidental response to his own pain of his foot being stepped on.

Now, that kind of thing hasn’t happened anymore. We talked about it in therapy and the therapist seemed to believe it was indeed an accident.

I don’t see him acting this way anymore… But I do see that his short fuse pops up from time to time. When he gets frustrated he melts down like a child might… He grits his teeth and grunts in anger and gets pretty ticked.

The only issues we are having these days (physically) are with his massage on me… Which I won’t let happen again AND when he tickles my son (or me) he squeezes too hard. I always have to run in and intervene when he’s ticking him because my son will scream (through laughter) ow! Ow! And I KNOW what he’s going through. He grabs his thigh and squeezes the muscles to the point of leaving red marks. But my crazy son will go back 20 minutes later and ask for more! Drives me crazy. But DH just tells me it is horseplay and I need to settle down. But… I know how it feels! He kneads the muscle in the thigh to the point it hurts!

Again… If he read this… He’d just roll his eyes and say “this again?”. He thinks I’m a big overreacter. But I don’t think tickling should ever hurt!
You did say your husband hurt your son twice by pushing him. Was the second time an accident too? How squeezing your son’s thigh so hard that it leaves maks tickling or playing? Your son is 5, protect him please.
 
The other incidents involved my husband getting accidentally hurt … Toe stepped on by child or something similar. He does not beat our son. But if HE gets hurt… He melts down and has pushed or shoved our son when he accudentally hurts him You know how kids are… Toys drop on your foot … Accidental issues like that. He will not think before he responds. I think his therapy helped in this matter…since I’ve not seen him become aggresssive since he began therapy last year. But Im always (now) on guard.

I think he has trouble with stress. He has a good heart. I don’t think he means to hurt anyone. But, I don’t feel we could have any more children because an infant/toddler is more stress than he can handle. It’s sad. I’ve often considered leaving so I could divorce (annul) and remarry … And have more children. But, I worry I’ll go to Hell for doing so.
 
Your story sounds familiar…I’m pretty sure you’ve told us before. I am sorry that you continue to have these concerns yet you ignore them. Abusers always seem to improve when they need to, so that you will stay with them. I know it is hard for you to accept. Are you currently in therapy yourself?
 
I am in therapy mainly for feedback information. The issue I struggle with is that my husband is now unemployed. He has been trying to find work. He has been offered 2 jobs… But he feels they are beneath his talent/skill level.

So, I am supporting all of us… I can’t leave him…since he’s unemployed. I can barely cover our expenses… Let alone rent for a second home.
 
I am in therapy mainly for feedback information. The issue I struggle with is that my husband is now unemployed. He has been trying to find work. He has been offered 2 jobs… But he feels they are beneath his talent/skill level.

So, I am supporting all of us… I can’t leave him…since he’s unemployed. I can barely cover our expenses… Let alone rent for a second home.
OK, well it doesn’t matter, I just remember a similar situation from a while ago.

I am glad that you are in therapy. Since you came from an abusive childhood, you probably don’t recognize abuse when you encounter it.

Remember, you are not responsible for his unemployment. If he is purposely staying unemployed in this economy, that is bad.

If he hurts your son again, would you leave him then?

What does your therapist say, and why do you describe that as “feedback?” You should be getting more than that out of your sessions. You should be getting stronger and learning about what is normal and right.
 
My therapist is growing tired of me, I believe. She’s been urging me to divorce my husband… And I think she is getting frustrated with my visits … Especially when I tell her my husband is getting better. She does not understand why this is so hard for me. And to be honest… I avoid telling her about some of the things I’ve disclosed here… Since I think she will get angry with me for giving him more chances.

The thing is… He is getting better. I have been a ball of stress worried about money and his unemployment… And he hasnt gotten upset or shown any anger over it. I’ve actually found it quite odd that he hasn’t melted down. He seems fine. I am the one who is becoming a ball of nerves and feel as if I’m going to snap at him.

If my husband purposefully hurt our child again… Would I leave? Yes I would… I would have to. I love our son and he is my priority. That boy is such a blessing.
 
Well, the red marks on my son are not bruises. They go away after just a bit of tickling. That is probably normal, right?

As for my shoulder… You can’t see a bruise… It just feels bruised…
 
My therapist is growing tired of me, I believe. She’s been urging me to divorce my husband… And I think she is getting frustrated with my visits … Especially when I tell her my husband is getting better. She does not understand why this is so hard for me. And to be honest… I avoid telling her about some of the things I’ve disclosed here… Since I think she will get angry with me for giving him more chances.

The thing is… He is getting better. I have been a ball of stress worried about money and his unemployment… And he hasnt gotten upset or shown any anger over it. I’ve actually found it quite odd that he hasn’t melted down. He seems fine. I am the one who is becoming a ball of nerves and feel as if I’m going to snap at him.

If my husband purposefully hurt our child again… Would I leave? Yes I would… I would have to. I love our son and he is my priority. That boy is such a blessing.
So you are protecting him by shielding his behavior from your therapist. And telling yourself that he is getting better. How is he getting better when he is HURTING YOU physically and ignoring your screams of pain? And telling you that you are a wimp when you cry out in pain?

Of course HE’S not in stress, why would he be? You’re the one under pressure, he’s turning jobs down. Quit your job and see what happens. No, I don’t really mean that, but you know he would flip out on you.

Has your therapist worked with you on setting boundaries and making a plan of action? Because if you don’t have a list of what you will and won’t accept, everything will be in a gray area and you will ask yourself over and over again, “Was that normal, or was it abuse?” And coming from your background, your own perceptions aren’t reliable.

Please tell your therapist everything. She wants to help you.
 
I will admit that I felt like I was having an out of body experience when I realized that he was not acting appropriately with our son. I disregarded it as “an accident” as he told me it was… But my gut told me otherwise. This all unfolded about a year ago and I demanded therapy for both of us. He acted as if I made a big deal over nothing. My son (4) stepped on his foot and he shoved him backwards. The way he hit the wall behind him… Knocked the wind out of my son and he had trouble breathing. My husband said it was just an accidental response to his own pain of his foot being stepped on.

Now, that kind of thing hasn’t happened anymore. We talked about it in therapy and the therapist seemed to believe it was indeed an accident.

I don’t see him acting this way anymore… But I do see that his short fuse pops up from time to time. When he gets frustrated he melts down like a child might… He grits his teeth and grunts in anger and gets pretty ticked.

The only issues we are having these days (physically) are with his massage on me… Which I won’t let happen again AND when he tickles my son (or me) he squeezes too hard. I always have to run in and intervene when he’s ticking him because my son will scream (through laughter) ow! Ow! And I KNOW what he’s going through. He grabs his thigh and squeezes the muscles to the point of leaving red marks. But my crazy son will go back 20 minutes later and ask for more! Drives me crazy. But DH just tells me it is horseplay and I need to settle down. But… I know how it feels! He kneads the muscle in the thigh to the point it hurts!

Again… If he read this… He’d just roll his eyes and say “this again?”. He thinks I’m a big overreacter. But I don’t think tickling should ever hurt!
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Tickling can indeed be abusive. My mother was endlessly tickled when she was little and hates it today. I’m fairly sure she was not even pinched or squeezed when tickled.

Perhaps even scarier: Your son is learning that this is “love.” :sad_yes:
 
My therapist is growing tired of me, I believe. She’s been urging me to divorce my husband… And I think she is getting frustrated with my visits … Especially when I tell her my husband is getting better. She does not understand why this is so hard for me. And to be honest… I avoid telling her about some of the things I’ve disclosed here… Since I think she will get angry with me for giving him more chances.

The thing is… He is getting better. I have been a ball of stress worried about money and his unemployment… And he hasnt gotten upset or shown any anger over it. I’ve actually found it quite odd that he hasn’t melted down. He seems fine. I am the one who is becoming a ball of nerves and feel as if I’m going to snap at him.

If my husband purposefully hurt our child again… Would I leave? Yes I would… I would have to. I love our son and he is my priority. That boy is such a blessing.
Of course he is fine with no stress. You are taking care of everything while he sits around looking down at jobs. Why go to a therapist and not tell the truth? Squeezing your son’s thigh hard is not hurting your son on purpose?
 
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