Pakistani men can beat wives 'lightly,' Islamic council says

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RPRPsych said:
Pakistan is the epitome of a failed state. When the system fails, people take out their frustrations on the most vulnerable and defenceless. (Didn’t we have a Pakistani poster here, not too long ago, who got banned for extolling the virtues of “domestic discipline”?)

However, it’s important to note that there are Hindu texts which also permit this loathsome practice. There are Hindu conservative groups (such as the buffoonish “Save the Indian Family Foundation”) which want domestic violence laws repealed. The difference is that the Indian government hasn’t (yet) caved in to them. :rolleyes:
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and look at the problem India experiences in their culture with rape also.
 
These threads always quickly turn to " Christians do it also " or Christians did it in the past " I am waiting for the first reference to the Inquisition or the Crusades
 
I suppose that validates the thinking, one can easily dismiss ones own bad behavior by a comparison of others failure to behave appropriate. Rather elementary argument first understood by children to rationalize bad behavior

But to me that IS recognition of immoral behavior in some odd way. Sometimes I think people believe they need to defend these primitive tendencies which probably linger from before civil man, and even when they “know” they are inappropriate.
 
Well, if there can be moderate jihadists and moderate terrorists, why not moderate wife-beaters? At least they’re being logically consistent.🤷
 
ComplineSanFran said:
There is also a sub-culture within Christian evangelicals called Christian Domestic Discipline. It involves husbands disciplining their wives primarily through spanking. It’s probably very parallel to the Islamic version of ‘light’ beatings. It’s scriptural and practiced through an understanding that the husband, as head of the house, needs to keep his wife disciplined in a physical way. I would imagine that they would carry that over to the children.

Anyway, it’s all part of the same dynamic, regardless of belief system, and it is, as you say, ‘repugnant,’

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Yes, there is that Christian subculture that endorses spanking for wives. The spiritual leadership of the husband as taught by the Church in no way implies that wives are to be treated as minors. In fact the Church takes care to state that.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
It’s St Paul who is clear on the subject, and those who hold to the standards of headship/submission refer to his teachings. Do you not know that much of evangelical Christianity practices what Paul preaches?
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I have attended Evangelical churches and they do not teach the treatment of wives as minor children or the physical punishment of wives as being recommended by Paul.
 
Sarcelle said:
Yes, there is that Christian subculture that endorses spanking for wives. The spiritual leadership of the husband as taught by the Church in no way implies that wives are to be treated as minors. In fact the Church takes care to state that.
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That seems to be some weird form of S&M!! Pass the brain bleach, please! :eek:
 
ComplineSanFran said:
It’s St Paul who is clear on the subject, and those who hold to the standards of headship/submission refer to his teachings. Do you not know that much of evangelical Christianity practices what Paul preaches?
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I would rather hear that from Evangelicals, rather from Catholics and non-Evangelicals who have a bias against Evangelicals.

This is not the first imam or Islamic council that states this about wives. Likewise, child brides are still a common occurrence in many Islamic societies on account of verses such as these, and the literalism that pervades in so much of Islamic theology.

St Paul did not advocate corporal punishment against wives, as far as I am aware. Jesus himself was radical for his age on the topic of women. The ‘least being first’ of his gospel very much included women who were thought of as being lesser than men in that age.

Perhaps you are operating from a different Christian scripture than most of us.
 
estesbob said:
These threads always quickly turn to " Christians do it also " or Christians did it in the past " I am waiting for the first reference to the Inquisition or the Crusades
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Yes. It’s the tu quoque defense. Why it ever gets deployed here is beyond me.

It’s not like the Catholic Church is teaching that wives are to be spanked. Individual Catholics may say it although I have never met anyone and one can be sure that crazy Catholics saying these will not be backed by Church teaching.

It’s like saying anything Islam does Christianity does worst.
 
DaddyGirl said:
In the Christian Canon, Moses passes on God’s instruction that women should be stoned to death if found unfaithful.

(Children, too, were to be stoned to death if they were not obedient.
And people were instructed that they could beat their slaves as much as they wanted…as long as it didn’t kill them.)

A “light beating” with a “small stick” sounds tame compared to the above.

Seriously?
Islam gets tons of “flak” for some of their rules re women–way more than Christianity.

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Christianity gets a lot of flak from liberals while Islam tends to get a free pass.
 
anon67074017 said:
Christianity gets a lot of flak from liberals while Islam tends to get a free pass.
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That is the hypocricy endemic to Identity politics. Islam is the victim and Christianity is the oppressor. It is the Marxist influence on the left.
 
Sarcelle said:
Yes. It’s the tu quoque defense. Why it ever gets deployed here is beyond me.

It’s like saying anything Islam does Christianity does worst.
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Perhaps it’s more like ‘People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.’
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Perhaps it’s more like ‘People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.’
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If the Catholic Church taught that husbands could beat their wives all they want and then turn around and criticize Muslims for doing just that, you have a point. However, the Church does not.

I will criticize anyone who thinks it is okay to beat anyone. Just because someone who shares my religion, sex, ethnic group etc., thinks it is okay to beat someone does not make my criticism less valid.
 
Sarcelle said:
If the Catholic Church taught that husbands could beat their wives all they want and then turn around and criticize Muslims for doing just that, you have a point. However, the Church does not.

I will criticize anyone who thinks it is okay to beat anyone. Just because someone who shares my religion, sex, ethnic group etc., thinks it is okay to beat someone does not make my criticism less valid.
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Exactly.
This is not where Catholicism is at, and it is not where the greater part of Evangelical Protestantism is at.

Catholics who beat their wives are low life, and priests who would counsel as much are commiting blasphemy against their religion.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Exactly.
This is not where Catholicism is at, and it is not where the greater part of Evangelical Protestantism is at.

Catholics who beat their wives are low life, and priests who would counsel as much are commiting blasphemy against their religion.
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Darryl1958 said:
Exactly.
This is not where Catholicism is at, and it is not where the greater part of Evangelical Protestantism is at.

Catholics who beat their wives are low life, and priests who would counsel as much are commiting blasphemy against their religion.
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Yet Christianity has a long history of teaching that wives must be submissive and for many cultures, that means beating them. It is in our texts and it is in our Christian cultures. Islam finds itself in the same boat.

Western countries - thankful to feminist advocacy - are changing, but domestic violence is still with us and intertwined with religious reasoning and belief.

Wasn’t it the Archbishop of Toledo who recently said publicly that the reason wives are abused is because they are not submissive to their husbands? I understand there was an uproar, but no recanting from the Church.

I KNOW that Christian communities do not say, ‘Men, beat your wives if they disobey.’ But sadly that is part of Christianity’s legacy.
 
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