Palestinians participate in a mass wedding

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How can people defend a man in his 50’s who already has several wives having sex with a 9 year old? :confused:
Who says anything about defending? If I am not mistaken it was divine inspiration (from Allah) that the marraige must be so and consummated.

What so shocking about it? It was common practice by the Arabs in 7th century.

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Once again, you need to check your sources.

Osama Abdallah is a crackpot who is disavowed even by many Muslims. Always check your sources.
Let’s hope Zaki doesn’t start quoting Nadir Ahmed as a source 🙂
How can people defend a man in his 50’s who already has several wives having sex with a 9 year old? :confused:
Especially when such a man justifies it with a dream he had. A dream.

I wonder why the people on Dateline’s To Catch a Predator never told Chris Hansen they had a dream about having sex with the minor they chatted with. Then it would be justified.
 
Zaki, you should NEVER call anyone a liar, considering what comes from you. Especially not without checking the facts.

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SHEIKH ZAYED CITY, Gaza Strip — Nearly a thousand Palestinians celebrated marriage on Thursday night in a ceremony organised by Hamas in the north of the Gaza Strip.

Hamas dignitaries including Mahmud Zahar, one of the militant group’s top leaders, were on hand to congratulate 450 grooms who took part in the carefully stage-managed event.

“We are saying to the world and to America that you cannot deny us joy and happiness,” Zahar told the men, all of whom were dressed in identical black suits and hailed from the nearby Jabalia refugee camp.

Each groom received a present of 500 dollars from Hamas, which said its workers had also contributed five percent of their monthly salaries to add to the wedding gift.

The 450 brides shared none of the glamour, taking seats among the audience of around 1,000 party guests: most couples had already taken part in religious ceremonies elsewhere, with more marriages planned for the next few days.

“We are presenting this wedding as a gift to our people who stood firm in the face of the siege and the war,” local Hamas strongman Ibrahim Salaf said in a speech.

The Gaza Strip has been under Israeli blockade since the Islamist Hamas movement seized control there in June 2007. In December and January 1,400 Gazans and 13 Israelis were killed in a 22-day war that left much of the territory in ruins.

I DO NOT KNOW HOW THE HELL YOU DREW OUT WHAT YOU SAID FROM THIS!

wasalam
 
Once again, you need to check your sources.

Osama Abdallah is a crackpot who is disavowed even by many Muslims. Always check your sources.
refute what he said then 🙂
How old was Joseph when he married 12 year old Mary?
Was he a pedophile too??? 🙂

wasalam
 
When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, “the Lord’s brother”). A year after his wife’s death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place. These dreams, as St. Jerome styles them, from which many a Christian artist has drawn his inspiration (see, for instance, Raphael’s “Espousals of the Virgin”), are void of authority; they nevertheless acquired in the course of ages some popularity; in them some ecclesiastical writers sought the answer to the well-known difficulty arising from the mention in the Gospel of “the Lord’s brothers”; from them also popular credulity has, contrary to all probability, as well as to the tradition witnessed by old works of art, retained the belief that St. Joseph was an old man at the time of marriage with the Mother of God.

newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm

Great so according to christians, Joseph (pbuh) was a pedophile and Mary (ra) was his child bride…similar to Muhammed (pbuh) and Ayesha (ra). 👍

wasalam
 
When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, “the Lord’s brother”). A year after his wife’s death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place. These dreams, as St. Jerome styles them, from which many a Christian artist has drawn his inspiration (see, for instance, Raphael’s “Espousals of the Virgin”), are void of authority; they nevertheless acquired in the course of ages some popularity; in them some ecclesiastical writers sought the answer to the well-known difficulty arising from the mention in the Gospel of “the Lord’s brothers”; from them also popular credulity has, contrary to all probability, as well as to the tradition witnessed by old works of art, retained the belief that St. Joseph was an old man at the time of marriage with the Mother of God.

newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm

Great so according to christians, Joseph (pbuh) was a pedophile and Mary (ra) was his child bride…similar to Muhammed (pbuh) and Ayesha (ra). 👍

wasalam
Heiiii Zaki, you forgot to mention this part before quoting that part:

It will not be without interest to recall here, unreliable though they are, the lengthy stories concerning St. Joseph’s marriage contained in the apocryphal writings

Apocryphal had never been approved by church or ever reliable source! That is the source of your so called Koran mentioning about Jesus had already talked at his birth!!!
So…this is how u operate, telling lies?
No wonder I should pity u

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Great so according to christians, Joseph (pbuh) was a pedophile and Mary (ra) was his child bride…similar to Muhammed (pbuh) and Ayesha (ra). 👍

wasalam
Choose your words carefully when writing about the blessed mother of God, Zaki. You are on a Catholic site. It is not your right to post here. It is a privledge that can be revoked at any point, and many Muslim posters (and others) who have been similarly careless and crude as you are being now have been banned. Just fair warning.

And, no, for what seems like the millionth time (pretty much every Muslim poster makes the false analogy that you have made, you just haven’t been around long enough to know that and/or can’t use the “Search” function), the marriage of Joseph and Mary is not at all comparable to the so-called marriage of Muhammad and Aisha. At least for Catholics and Orthodox (and some Protestants, though I’m not sure which ones), we hold to the view that Mary’s virginity was preserved FOREVER. They never had marital relations. The circumstances of their marriage were certainly far different than those that surrounded the marriage of Muhammad to Aisha, as well, but the most direct refutation of the lies that you have written here is that, NO, Joseph was not a pedophile as he did not use nor seek to use Mary for sex, no matter what age she was when they were married. Their marriage had a higher purpose. It had nothing to do with sex at all, and frankly I am nauseated and offended that you would insinuate such a thing to protect the character of Muhammad.
 
Choose your words carefully when writing about the blessed mother of God, Zaki. You are on a Catholic site. It is not your right to post here. It is a privledge that can be revoked at any point, and many Muslim posters (and others) who have been similarly careless and crude as you are being now have been banned. Just fair warning.

And, no, for what seems like the millionth time (pretty much every Muslim poster makes the false analogy that you have made, you just haven’t been around long enough to know that and/or can’t use the “Search” function), the marriage of Joseph and Mary is not at all comparable to the so-called marriage of Muhammad and Aisha. At least for Catholics and Orthodox (and some Protestants, though I’m not sure which ones), we hold to the view that Mary’s virginity was preserved FOREVER. They never had marital relations. The circumstances of their marriage were certainly far different than those that surrounded the marriage of Muhammad to Aisha, as well, but the most direct refutation of the lies that you have written here is that, NO, Joseph was not a pedophile as he did not use nor seek to use Mary for sex, no matter what age she was when they were married. Their marriage had a higher purpose. It had nothing to do with sex at all, and frankly I am nauseated and offended that you would insinuate such a thing to protect the character of Muhammad.
Incorrect. Joseph did have sex with Mary but not before Jesus was born.
bible.ca/cath-mary-had-many-children.htm
to seraphime: It is well known that Joseph was much older than Mary when he married her. Some people say 90 when she was 12 and others say anything from 40-60 when she was 11.

wasalam
 
Incorrect. Joseph did have sex with Mary but not before Jesus was born.
bible.ca/cath-mary-had-many-children.htm
to seraphime: It is well known that Joseph was much older than Mary when he married her. Some people say 90 when she was 12 and others say anything from 40-60 when she was 11.

wasalam
Check again ur resources, they only base their opinions on speculation. Any proof? Any historical data? Who are those u mentioned as “some people” and to who it’s well known ? The Muslims spread this lies to validate the marriage of your so called Prophet!!!:eek:

U can’t claim what u said, but ur own hadits recorded what Muhammad had done, pedophile. Don’t forget the surah that said that u can divorce a wife that hasn’t reached menstruation. Ur Koran has already legalized pedophile!!! For good !!! :eek:

And BTW muslims didn’t realize that it was an act of pedophile nor it is a sin, only until recently the media brought this up, u all tried anything either to hide the facts or to say it’s legal as long as it’s within the contract, or to say we are liars, or to concoct another story. You are all the evidence of confused people!
 
And Zaki…
the pedophilia legalized in marriages are still happening in islamic world.

Go find urself!
 
Check again ur resources, they only base their opinions on speculation. Any proof? Any historical data? Who are those u mentioned as “some people” and to who it’s well known ? The Muslims spread this lies to validate the marriage of your so called Prophet!!!:eek:

U can’t claim what u said, but ur own hadits recorded what Muhammad had done, pedophile. Don’t forget the surah that said that u can divorce a wife that hasn’t reached menstruation. Ur Koran has already legalized pedophile!!! For good !!! :eek:

And BTW muslims didn’t realize that it was an act of pedophile nor it is a sin, only until recently the media brought this up, u all tried anything either to hide the facts or to say it’s legal as long as it’s within the contract, or to say we are liars, or to concoct another story. You are all the evidence of confused people!
their opinions on speculation? did you just call your own bible speculation?? 🤷

wasalam
 
their opinions on speculation? did you just call your own bible speculation?? 🤷

wasalam
Hei…speculation is made by assuming what is not in the book black and white with some preconception, never u can find literally there that it’s what u conclude. Then it’s speculation! Btw u’re rright, it’s not speculation per se, the opinion makers are liars!
 
Hei…speculation is made by assuming what is not in the book black and white with some preconception, never u can find literally there that it’s what u conclude. Then it’s speculation! Btw u’re rright, it’s not speculation per se, the opinion makers are liars!
alright explain those verses for me then 🙂

wasalam
 
Do you really expect us to take the words of some “Sola Scriptura” Protestants seriously, Zaki? Well, it’s good enough for you to trash us and our beliefs with, then you ought to, for your own sake, read what those same people have to say about Islam (warning: “pagan moon god” content).

It’s only fair, if you’re going to drag us into the mud along with you. :rolleyes:
 
alright explain those verses for me then 🙂

wasalam
Truly I wanted to, but then I don’t have time. But u can always find the explanation in the other threads talking about that topic.👍
or else somebody here could find u a link that can help.
 
Truly I wanted to, but then I don’t have time. But u can always find the explanation in the other threads talking about that topic.👍
or else somebody here could find u a link that can help.
okay thank you 😉

wasalam
 
refute what he said then 🙂
You want us to refute someone who has been opposed by even Muslims?

Sources are everything. Do not simply accept sources because they agree with you. This is like some Muslim apologists who use bad Jehovah’s Witness arguments against the Trinity, or atheist arguments against Christianity, and never seem to realize that neither theology is compatible with Islam.
Incorrect. Joseph did have sex with Mary but not before Jesus was born.
Incorrect. Church Tradition for the past 2000 years - including the beliefs of major Protestant leaders such as Martin Luther, John Calvin, Ulrich Zwingli, and John Wesley - has held that the blessed Theotokos remained a virgin after she gave birth to Christ. The only people to question this came in the past 200 years and belong to isolated churches in the west. The use of Christ’s “brothers and sisters” in the original Greek simply refers to close family and friends of family. Even Greeks today use such terminology for cousins, uncles, etc. Language and context is everything.

But this is irrelevant…as is Joseph’s marriage to Mary. The marriage was arranged and the Virgin Mary was much, much, MUCH older than six years old. Furthermore, Joseph didn’t marry then have sex with the Virgin Mary based on one simple dream.
 
But this is irrelevant…as is Joseph’s marriage to Mary. The marriage was arranged and the Virgin Mary was much, much, MUCH older than six years old. Furthermore, Joseph didn’t marry then have sex with the Virgin Mary based on one simple dream.
Your right- I should look at my sources before posting.
However Mary was not much much MUCH older than six years old (p.s: didnt Muhammed (pbuh) get married to her when she was 9?) she was 12-14. And so was Muhammed (pbuh)'s marriage arranged 😉

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