Pallium for Eastern Catholic Bishop

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No. As usual, spiller has no idea what he is talking about. If the Eastern Bishop, in the fullness of tradition of the eastern rite, chose to wear gold to mark such a special occasion, more power to him.
Agreed.

Counting several Greek Catholic priests among my friends, more than one admits that when they are concelebrating or in another setting with Romans, they generally tend to “put out the dog” (wear their best vestments, “do it up”) both to show with pride that they DO have a different tradition and be certain our tradition stands out and looks beautiful. IOW, they always wear their best vestments.
 
Agreed.

Counting several Greek Catholic priests among my friends, more than one admits that when they are concelebrating or in another setting with Romans, they generally tend to “put out the dog” (wear their best vestments, “do it up”) both to show with pride that they DO have a different tradition and be certain our tradition stands out and looks beautiful. IOW, they always wear their best vestments.
I wasn’t offended in the least. I didn’t really think about those vestments being his “best”, but I thought perhaps in the Eastern tradition, gold is the colour of martyrdom to mark such a glorious event as a person’s entry into eternal glory.
 
I wasn’t offended in the least. I didn’t really think about those vestments being his “best”, but I thought perhaps in the Eastern tradition, gold is the colour of martyrdom to mark such a glorious event as a person’s entry into eternal glory.
He may very well have been thinking that gold was the appropriate color to mark the occasion, as well. But the byzantine rite does not have set liturgical colors for certains easons or feasts, as the Latin rite does.
 
But the byzantine rite does not have set liturgical colors for certains easons or feasts, as the Latin rite does.
I beg to differ.

Gold or bright white is used for Paska and Christmas.

Green is used for Pentecost.

Red is used for the Exhaltation of the Holy Cross and 3rd Sunday of Great & Holy Lent.

Blue is used for Feasts of the Mother of God and if the church is named after the Mother of God.

Maroon or dark red is used for Presanctified Divine Liturgies during Great & Holy Lent.

Black is used for Great and Holy Friday and Great Saturday services.

At least in the Byzantine Ruthenian Rite in the USA, we no longer use purple for Great Lent or other fasting periods.

Hope this helps…
 
I beg to differ.

Gold or bright white is used for Paska and Christmas.

Green is used for Pentecost.

Red is used for the Exhaltation of the Holy Cross and 3rd Sunday of Great & Holy Lent.

Blue is used for Feasts of the Mother of God and if the church is named after the Mother of God.

Maroon or dark red is used for Presanctified Divine Liturgies during Great & Holy Lent.

Black is used for Great and Holy Friday and Great Saturday services.

At least in the Byzantine Ruthenian Rite in the USA, we no longer use purple for Great Lent or other fasting periods.

Hope this helps…
Actually, I beg to differ, as well.

Check out the thread about Episcopal vestments in the Byzantine rite, which was a “spin-off” thread from this one. Not only do i give the information you just gave (thank you for clarifying it in this thread, btw), but I make the point that those colors, though the traditional ones to use at certain times, are not set down by any formal Church authority. In the rules dictating what Byzantineswear, the only colors specified are “light” and “dark.” The color scheme you posted is a pretty common small-t tradition, but it varies from country to country, church to church, and is in no way part of the actual rubrics and the law, like colors are in the Latin rite.
 
Actually, these are the colors listed in the Typica that is used in Eparchy of Passaic and are published bi-weekly in our Eparchial newspaper.

Hope this helps…
 
I think you forgot to paste the info or the link, Pat.😉
Actually, these are the colors listed in the Typica that is used in Eparchy of Passaic and are published bi-weekly in our Eparchial newspaper.

Hope this helps…
 
Actually, these are the colors listed in the Typica that is used in Eparchy of Passaic and are published bi-weekly in our Eparchial newspaper.

Hope this helps…
The Eparchy of Passaic is a Byznatine Catholic Eparchy. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if practices were more codified and set down by law in a byzanine Catholic Church. But i was speaking specifically of Eastern Orthodoxy, where the colors are a tradition, but not a law.

Also, that the eparch chooses to enforce them in that eparchy does not *necessarily *mean that they are set down by law for the entire byzantine rite. That wouldn’t really happy because there are so many byzantine churches, both Catholic and Orthodox.

Thanks for the info.
 
But i was speaking specifically of Eastern Orthodoxy, where the colors are a tradition, but not a law…
Then why did you post it here on the Eastern Catholic section when it belongs on the Non-Catholic Religions section?

Why did your OP SPECIFICALLY mention Eastern Catholic Bishops?

Enquiring minds would like to know:hmmm:
 
Then why did you post it here on the Eastern Catholic section when it belongs on the Non-Catholic Religions section?

Why did your OP SPECIFICALLY mention Eastern Catholic Bishops?

Enquiring minds would like to know:hmmm:
Well if we’re now forbidden to speak of any Eastern Orthodox churches when we discuss their eastern Catholic counterparts we’re not going to be able to get very far with ANYTHING now are we?

it looks like at this point you’re just trying to pick a fight.
 
it looks like at this point you’re just trying to pick a fight.
not really but this what you wrote: “But i was speaking specifically of Eastern Orthodoxy, where the colors are a tradition, but not a law.”

I’m just curious as you originally posted concerning Eastern Catholic Bishops and NOT Eastern Orthodox, seems like you’re changing horses in mid-stream…:rolleyes:
 
not really but this what you wrote: “But i was speaking specifically of Eastern Orthodoxy, where the colors are a tradition, but not a law.”

I’m just curious as you originally posted concerning Eastern Catholic Bishops and NOT Eastern Orthodox, seems like you’re changing horses in mid-stream…:rolleyes:
If you go back and read it over, you’ll realize that I called the readers attention to a different thread, which was started off of this thread, about the colors of Byzantine vestments. There i talk about Byzantine Vestments, pertaining to Orthodox and Catholic churches. You then posted similar information here, so i continued commenting on the usage of those colors from both the Orthodox and Catholic perspective, which would have been more clear if the other thread i had been read as i suggested.
 
I’m curious, do Eastern Catholic Metropolitans ever actually wear their palliums? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a picture of one doing so.
Eastern Metropolitans already wear a “Pallium”. It is called a Omophorion. Every bishop of the Constantinopolitan Particular Church tradition wear them as part of their episcopal vestiture.

Ung
 
Eastern Metropolitans already wear a “Pallium”. It is called a Omophorion. Every bishop of the Constantinopolitan Particular Church tradition wear them as part of their episcopal vestiture.

Ung
Yeah, he knows… He meant their LATIN palliums. The entire point of this thread was that Eastern Bishops already wear the omophorion, which is analogous with the pallium, so it seems redundant to have both.

You pointed out what we’ve been discussing.
 
If you go back and read it over, you’ll realize that I called the readers attention to a different thread, which was started off of this thread, about the colors of Byzantine vestments. There i talk about Byzantine Vestments, pertaining to Orthodox and Catholic churches. You then posted similar information here, so i continued commenting on the usage of those colors from both the Orthodox and Catholic perspective, which would have been more clear if the other thread i had been read as i suggested.
And if you go back and read the ORIGINAL POST you will that the post was concerning the vestments of new Metropolitian of Presov, Slovakia, who is a Byzantine Ruthenian Catholic NOT Orthodox so your comments about the vestments of an Orthodox Bishop were out of place here!
 
And if you go back and read the ORIGINAL POST you will that the post was concerning the vestments of new Metropolitian of Presov, Slovakia, who is a Byzantine Ruthenian Catholic NOT Orthodox so your comments about the vestments of an Orthodox Bishop were out of place here!
I already explained: one CANNOT talk about Eastern Catholic Churches without discussing and considering Eastern Orthodox Churches. What kind of idiot would really want to abolish speaking of the Orthodox when we talk about their Catholic counterparts?

Besides, I didn’t say anything wrong in either thread: the liturgical colors are small-t tradition, not enforced throughout the entire rite by any sort of centralized law and rubrics.

You’re being ridiculously argumentative for absolutely no reason. There’s too many argumentative jerks on this forum already. Try to avoid becoming another one.

I got what i was looking for when i created this thread. Would someone please close it?
 
Besides, I didn’t say anything wrong in either thread: the liturgical colors are small-t tradition, not enforced throughout the entire rite by any sort of centralized law and rubrics.
It’s written in the TYPICA! What part of the THAT don’t you understand? Or would rather have it written in Latin??😛
 
Please, let’s be charitable! We’re just talking about vestments here, nothing needing to get fired up about. Everybody shake hands?
 
Please, let’s be charitable! We’re just talking about vestments here, nothing needing to get fired up about. Everybody shake hands?
Agreed. Life is too short, time is too valuable, and Christian duties are too pressing to continue to allow something as basic as some disagreements or misunderstandings about such things as liturgical colors to be a source of such ill-sounding lack of charity.
 
It’s written in the TYPICA! What part of the THAT don’t you understand? Or would rather have it written in Latin??😛
They typica (at least the one I’ve seen for a Eparchy of Van Nuys Parish) lists light or dark, and then recommended colors, but the choice of white or red is always available for various reasons.
 
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