Pan Handling at Church

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Over the past few years we have had a variety of families show up after mass and beg for change at the exit of our church. Any time it happens, the priest puts a reminder in the bulletin asking us not to give directly to them but to send them to him for help.

He told us that there are some who are simply doing this as a job who aren’t actually hungry per se, and he would prefer to see them and handle it himself.

Meanwhile, I have a personal commitment to always give a couple of dollars to the panhandlers who are at highway exits. They are always older men, often with a sign that says homeless veteran, or sober veteran. When my mother questioned me on giving someone money once, I said that I really don’t feel concerned about what he may or may not do with the money. It’s more that he looks at me and asks…I feel that I have to answer.

So I feel a little bit uncomfortable leaving Mass and ignoring people who are looking for my help. I know I’m a little naive! I just have a hard time believing that someone would beg for money if they didnt need it. I can see why they would try coming to a big church to hope for a lot of people to help them.

What do you think?
 
I too always give to beggars, remembering that as we do to the least of these, we do unto Christ. I’ve taken to always keeping food in the car, it can be anything from a can of soda, to a sandwich, to those peanut butter cracker packs, to anything really and I give that out in place of money. This way I’m not hurting them if they are looking to get drunk or high and I’m not turning my back on someone who is hungry. I’m guessing father would be fine with that. You can always tell the beggar, as you hand him some food, that he can see father for any other needs that he might have.
 
Over the past few years we have had a variety of families show up after mass and beg for change at the exit of our church. Any time it happens, the priest puts a reminder in the bulletin asking us not to give directly to them but to send them to him for help.

He told us that there are some who are simply doing this as a job who aren’t actually hungry per se, and he would prefer to see them and handle it himself.

Meanwhile, I have a personal commitment to always give a couple of dollars to the panhandlers who are at highway exits. They are always older men, often with a sign that says homeless veteran, or sober veteran. When my mother questioned me on giving someone money once, I said that I really don’t feel concerned about what he may or may not do with the money. It’s more that he looks at me and asks…I feel that I have to answer.

So I feel a little bit uncomfortable leaving Mass and ignoring people who are looking for my help. I know I’m a little naive! I just have a hard time believing that someone would beg for money if they didnt need it. I can see why they would try coming to a big church to hope for a lot of people to help them.

What do you think?
This past summer we had a similar situation at my Parish.It turns out this was a racket,workng around the many parishes in the area.The local police dept. actually issued a statement that we were not to encourage them.Long story short the local law enforcement drove them out.They were a group that would share their kids as props.Standing outside church with their “kids” and signs asking for money.Listen to your priest.
 
I would listen to your priest on this. As much as you want to help someone, there are those who are “professional” beggars, as well as those who only want money for drugs and alcohol. If you think a family wouldn’t stoop to such tactics, think again.
 
Over the past few years we have had a variety of families show up after mass and beg for change at the exit of our church. Any time it happens, the priest puts a reminder in the bulletin asking us not to give directly to them but to send them to him for help.

He told us that there are some who are simply doing this as a job who aren’t actually hungry per se, and he would prefer to see them and handle it himself.

Meanwhile, I have a personal commitment to always give a couple of dollars to the panhandlers who are at highway exits. They are always older men, often with a sign that says homeless veteran, or sober veteran. When my mother questioned me on giving someone money once, I said that I really don’t feel concerned about what he may or may not do with the money. It’s more that he looks at me and asks…I feel that I have to answer.

So I feel a little bit uncomfortable leaving Mass and ignoring people who are looking for my help. I know I’m a little naive! I just have a hard time believing that someone would beg for money if they didnt need it. I can see why they would try coming to a big church to hope for a lot of people to help them.

What do you think?
Listen to your priest yes, but you may give them a piece of paper that has the contact information of the organizations in the area that may be able to help them, including whatever your priest feels is appropriate.
 
Over the past few years we have had a variety of families show up after mass and beg for change at the exit of our church. Any time it happens, the priest puts a reminder in the bulletin asking us not to give directly to them but to send them to him for help.

He told us that there are some who are simply doing this as a job who aren’t actually hungry per se, and he would prefer to see them and handle it himself.

Meanwhile, I have a personal commitment to always give a couple of dollars to the panhandlers who are at highway exits. They are always older men, often with a sign that says homeless veteran, or sober veteran. When my mother questioned me on giving someone money once, I said that I really don’t feel concerned about what he may or may not do with the money. It’s more that he looks at me and asks…I feel that I have to answer.

So I feel a little bit uncomfortable leaving Mass and ignoring people who are looking for my help. I know I’m a little naive! I just have a hard time believing that someone would beg for money if they didnt need it. I can see why they would try coming to a big church to hope for a lot of people to help them.

What do you think?
I agree to listen to your priest. I used to give to all and everyone and had a LOT of problems as a result.

Let me give you examples of a few of the problems either I, or others, have had.

One time, a friend of mine felt so sorry for someone, gave to him. By the time he passed by on the way back, the man was drunk!

Here in Mexico, we’ve had lots of cases of husslers of all stripes. We’ve had people do things such as fake all kinds of illnesses and conditions including blindness! We had one guy fake having one leg! Then, people would later see this same guy somehow walking around. A friend of mine gave to him, later saw him walking around, and her husband scolded her something terrible.

I left Mexico, was gone about 7 years, came back and there were mostly the same people there begging as when I left.

A lady who sells snacks outside of the church said there’s a guy who has a sob story of being recently released from prison, having no money, etc. She said he’s been telling that story for about 10 years, now!

I gave many times to people who had these HUGE, deep ulcers on their skin. I had never in my life seen anything like it. I helped those people tremendously. Although, I offered numerous times to take them to the Red Cross to see a doctor… I think I offered to 4 of these people. NONE of them accepted my offer. They always had some excuse.

Anyway, later, I was reading Yahoo Mexico, and it showed pictures of people with the SAME kind of ulceration. The article said there was a new drug which had come out which had been nicknamed “The poorman’s heroine” which did that! I felt soooo foolish!

I’ve given people money for a uniform for school, once, got used for a party, instead.

Oh, some admitted they were on drugs. I offered to take them, in a cab, right then to a shelter. I guess I offered this to at least two. Neither accepted.

I’ve been told some, at least here, will put tourniquets on their legs to make them swell up, sometimes cut themselves, put a kind of purple dye to make it look all nasty, and make them look sick. They use this money, usually for alcohol or drugs.

Some people are able bodied, can work but rather beg, instead.

There was one guy I gave to. I saw him begging recently. He’s now got a cane and wears a medical mask! He gets all kinds of money, probably for drugs.

We’ve had cases where we give food to people, and they throw it on the ground! They will say they wanted money, not food (even though they might say they’re starving).

We’ve had skinny skinny people, but if you give them food, they will rarely want to eat it. They’re often addicts.

Also, there are people who do this who have property and all the rest, just find it lucrative. Some people may be legitimately sick but decide not to get well, because they can get people to feel sorry for them better the sicker they are. So, they will sometimes refuse medical treatment to continue on this way.

We had homeless people, drug addicts, alcoholics all hanging outside churches, begging, even sleeping there. One church put up a sign which said NOT to give money to these people, that if you truly want to help them, to instead, to contact the proper authorities…in this case it would be your priest.

LISTEN to him! He has lots of experience. In many cases throwing money at this will not only NOT help but can make matters much worse.

My recommendation would be if you want to give, give to an organization. They have ways to see who is genuinely needy and who is not, who is a fraud. That way you’re more assured your money will get to where it needs to and not be used for vices.
 
Over the past few years we have had a variety of families show up after mass and beg for change at the exit of our church. Any time it happens, the priest puts a reminder in the bulletin asking us not to give directly to them but to send them to him for help.

He told us that there are some who are simply doing this as a job who aren’t actually hungry per se, and he would prefer to see them and handle it himself.

Meanwhile, I have a personal commitment to always give a couple of dollars to the panhandlers who are at highway exits. They are always older men, often with a sign that says homeless veteran, or sober veteran. When my mother questioned me on giving someone money once, I said that I really don’t feel concerned about what he may or may not do with the money. It’s more that he looks at me and asks…I feel that I have to answer.

So I feel a little bit uncomfortable leaving Mass and ignoring people who are looking for my help. I know I’m a little naive! I just have a hard time believing that someone would beg for money if they didnt need it. I can see why they would try coming to a big church to hope for a lot of people to help them.

What do you think?
You do well to obey your priest. Those in true need will be glad to see him and get the help he can offer.

You need to keep in mind that there are those for whom this is literally their job, and there are those, if the realize they can get money from people may decide to use this chance to rob the parish. It is a sad reality, but one to consider. It is safer for all to obey your priest in this matter.
 
I worked law enforcement for 31 years. Certainly not all, but a quite high percentage of the modern panhandlers are addicts of some sort. They do not want work. They do not want clothing or food. They want money. Money buys whatever they are addicted to. Some are professional beggars, who make an excellent living. News clips have been done about the worst of them. My wife says “look at their shoes” noticing that their shoes are almost always nicer and more expensive that what I am wearing. As well, so many smoke and have a dog to feed. The priest at our parish always refers them to the local food bank and local charities.

Notice that each community has well-known charities and that these individuals choose not to go there. There is a valid reason for that. Our situation today is far different from biblical times, in which the poor were often starving and were known to the community. These modern types are strangers and tend to move around quite a bit. And, we are not even talking about those with criminal histories, or the mentally unstable.
 
Over the past few years we have had a variety of families show up after mass and beg for change at the exit of our church. Any time it happens, the priest puts a reminder in the bulletin asking us not to give directly to them but to send them to him for help.

He told us that there are some who are simply doing this as a job who aren’t actually hungry per se, and he would prefer to see them and handle it himself.

Meanwhile, I have a personal commitment to always give a couple of dollars to the panhandlers who are at highway exits. They are always older men, often with a sign that says homeless veteran, or sober veteran. When my mother questioned me on giving someone money once, I said that I really don’t feel concerned about what he may or may not do with the money. It’s more that he looks at me and asks…I feel that I have to answer.

So I feel a little bit uncomfortable leaving Mass and ignoring people who are looking for my help. I know I’m a little naive! I just have a hard time believing that someone would beg for money if they didnt need it. I can see why they would try coming to a big church to hope for a lot of people to help them.

What do you think?
I bolded that line because I know EXACTLY how you feel. Particularly when walking out from Mass and confronted with someone in need, it’s nearly impossible (for me, anyway) to just walk right on by. It feels so…hypocritical!

I have a suggestion, though. Perhaps, rather than giving them money, you could offer them your sympathy and your ear in order to mention, “Let me take you to see Father. He would love to visit with you.” That way, you are not simply ignoring the people, but you are also being obedient to what your Priest has asked of you. It might not work in all situations, but it really may be worth a try.
 
Over the past few years we have had a variety of families show up after mass and beg for change at the exit of our church. Any time it happens, the priest puts a reminder in the bulletin asking us not to give directly to them but to send them to him for help.

He told us that there are some who are simply doing this as a job who aren’t actually hungry per se, and he would prefer to see them and handle it himself.

Meanwhile, I have a personal commitment to always give a couple of dollars to the panhandlers who are at highway exits. They are always older men, often with a sign that says homeless veteran, or sober veteran. When my mother questioned me on giving someone money once, I said that I really don’t feel concerned about what he may or may not do with the money. It’s more that he looks at me and asks…I feel that I have to answer.

So I feel a little bit uncomfortable leaving Mass and ignoring people who are looking for my help. I know I’m a little naive! I just have a hard time believing that someone would beg for money if they didnt need it. I can see why they would try coming to a big church to hope for a lot of people to help them.

What do you think?
I think you should follow the instructions of your priest. If you want to give money away in other situations, that’s fine, but the priest is in charge of the church property and he is the boss.
 
I worked in Downtown Atlanta for 15 years. Lots of panhandlers, some are aggressive. I was making good money in those days so I was able to be charitable.

My “rubric” for giving went something like this:
I gave 2 or 3 dollar Krystal gift cards. To get one they would usually have to suffer a few rejections fist and be polite or non-aggressive. They had to show signs of living in the street. If you smell Dial antibacterial soap, chances are they aren’t homeless. If they are hungry and homeless they jump at the chance for a fast food gift card. If they are bogus, or they want booze, they are not too happy and they act like they have been busted.

Most of the time I simply gave to the downtown missions, who are pros at vetting these people.

We go to church to recharge spiritually. It is hard for me to do that if I am being hammered at the door. By giving money at a certain place, we model their behavior, and they will keep coming back to that place. I ask God to steer my actions with such issues.
 
Last Sunday, there was a man at our Cathedral after Mass with a sign that said “hungry.” My mom went and got him a sack of food. He was so grateful, left the parking lot, and got to eat that day. I don’t give money, but I will get food.
 
Agree with the masses, trust your priest! This isn’t his first rodeo.
 
I think you should follow the instructions of your priest. If you want to give money away in other situations, that’s fine, but the priest is in charge of the church property and he is the boss.
This. :yup:
 
Over the past few years we have had a variety of families show up after mass and beg for change at the exit of our church. Any time it happens, the priest puts a reminder in the bulletin asking us not to give directly to them but to send them to him for help.

He told us that there are some who are simply doing this as a job who aren’t actually hungry per se, and he would prefer to see them and handle it himself.

Meanwhile, I have a personal commitment to always give a couple of dollars to the panhandlers who are at highway exits. They are always older men, often with a sign that says homeless veteran, or sober veteran. When my mother questioned me on giving someone money once, I said that I really don’t feel concerned about what he may or may not do with the money. It’s more that he looks at me and asks…I feel that I have to answer.

So I feel a little bit uncomfortable leaving Mass and ignoring people who are looking for my help. I know I’m a little naive! I just have a hard time believing that someone would beg for money if they didnt need it. I can see why they would try coming to a big church to hope for a lot of people to help them.

What do you think?
Many years ago I was homeless for three months. I stayed at homeless shelters and I can say the men I saw begging 99% of the time used the money to buy booze or drugs. What I do these days is give money and food to St. Vincent DePaul because I know that if I give a homeless person money they will not use it for food or shelter, but for alcohol or drugs.
 
I will give food. I will never give money. I would listen to your priest on this one.
 
Our Jewish brothers have a wonderful word for beggars such as these. They call them Schnorers, which is derived from the noun Schnorim.
The Schnorim were the professional beggars that stood on the steps of the Temple in Jerusalem. They were very aggresive in their begging and when people complained, the Schnorers told them to be grateful they were there so that people could fulfil their religious obligation to give alms.
Today, the word schnorer has evolved to mean not only a sham beggar, but a con man and petty thief (There is a thin line between a schnorer and a gonif).
 
Hi, I understand your predicament and sympathise as I often find myself in a similar position. I know it’s a bit more difficult and might take up some of your time, but why not talk to one of the families and get to know them to see if they are legit?
 
I’m a bit surprised to hear about families doing this after mass. The closest thing I’ve experienced is panhandlers sitting outside the steps of our cathedral which is in the heart of downtown.
 
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