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[Jay2]

I had 2nd thoughts about letting my reply go through… so I deleted it before posting, but obviously not before being read under the radar.

Wear what you want gals. Just be assured that regardless of what you wear there will be MEN that will defend your honor & virtue - regardless of your choice of dress - because of the fact you are a woman.

I’m a man - it’s my job.

 

[deb1]

Many current articles on modesty put pressure on women to protect males from just about any lustful impulse that the guy could have. The problem with this is that individual men have so many stray sexual impulses that women would end having to wear burqua and hide behind barbed wire to protect the guy from his own mind. So, I think that it is wrong to view modesty as being something that a woman does *just *to help assist a man in guarding his lust or that this should be the main reason behind modesty.

Modesty should be based on a woman honoring her own body and God. I think that this view is more enpowering to women

Sadly, though that leaves women in a bind. The bible does not define what ‘modesty’ exactly is. Christians are not given hard and fast rules like Muslims are given. We get to each prayfully decide for ourselves what is modest. That can be difficult to discern.

Regardless of whether a woman wears pants or skirts, she should be supported by other women in her attempts at modesty. I see too many websites that have a rigid attitude on this issue, which only alienates women who are looking for some guidance.

By the way, I really like the tunic and loose pants. I think that such clothing is beautiful, modest and feminine. But I was always afraid that someone would think that I was attempting to steal another group’s culture if I wore such an outfit.

 

[deb1]

Not to mention warmth. Even long skirts can sometimes get a little breezy in the wintertime… brr!

I wore mainly skirts while I lived in Western Iowa for three years. Because I was able to put several layers undo the skirt without appearing as bulky as I would have if I had done the same thing in pants, I found the skirt actually warmer then my jeans. I also wore boots under my skirts and heavy socks on my feet.

 

[Tom317]

Did you read my post? I am a married woman, and I don’t want men hitting on me or looking at me lustfully, and as I work on a university campus, I certainly don’t want to provide them with easier access if they are so inclined.

Perhaps some of us find it sad that we don’t feel as safe in certain articles of clothing.

I get your point and thank you for clarifying. Frankly, it is silly for me, as a man, to even bother commenting.

 

[Tom317]

I think part of the objection some people have against women wearing pants is that the um differences between the sexes are all too apparent given the way some women wear those pants.

Good point, which sort of means that women are going to work hard at looking like women even if they dress very similar to men…in a way that should tell us something, not sure what.

 

[mommyof4]

I had 2nd thoughts about letting my reply go through… so I deleted it before posting, but obviously not before being read under the radar.

Wear what you want gals. Just be assured that regardless of what you wear there will be MEN that will defend your honor & virtue - regardless of your choice of dress - because of the fact you are a woman.

I’m a man - it’s my job.

Thank you! I only wish there were more men out there like you.

 

[Jay2]

Something happened to me today. I was working in an office tower in one of the corridors and whoa!

A woman comes walking down the hallway that I can only describe as a stunner… the type of gal that makes men do stupid things and women glare daggers…

and yes, she was wearing pants… obviously cut & tailored to accentuate her femininity…

I think part of the objection some people have against women wearing pants is that the um differences between the sexes are all too apparent given the way some women wear those pants.

but it wasn’t just the pants. It was the whole package…pretty, confident, put together, and on her game - but also airing a “do not mess with me” persona…

I didn’t/wasn’t “lusting” after this woman, but I’ll admit that I did stop what I was doing and mentally do a “Wow, THAT is one good looking gal”.

Isn’t that why you gals go through so much trouble each day? To look your best… even if it garners un-wanted appreciation?

 

[aspawloski4th]

That might be changing (sadly)…a couple weeks before Christmas I was at the mall and saw a man wearing a skirt while shopping, it was NOT a kilt. An older woman and I noticed the man and gave each other quizacle and frankly disgusted looks. While that is only one person, it does seem to me that our society is blurring the lines between genders.

or people are sick n tired of double standard, or maybee people are tired of threir physical anatamy determinging how they should live with out reguard to how they are inside.

 

[Katie1723]

My gosh, no! It is not immoral for women to wear pants!

What does Catholicism have to do with specific clothing?

The catechism teaches us to have respect for our bodies as temples of God… and to grow in the fruits of the Spirit (which includes modesty), but specifics on TYPES of clothing starts to be cultish (in my opinion).

You said it a whole lot nicer than I could have!

Kathy

 

[rpp]

Something happened to me today. I was working in an office tower in one of the corridors and whoa!

A woman comes walking down the hallway that I can only describe as a stunner… the type of gal that makes men do stupid things and women glare daggers…

and yes, she was wearing pants… obviously cut & tailored to accentuate her femininity… but it wasn’t just the pants. It was the whole package…pretty, confident, put together, and on her game - but also airing a “do not mess with me” persona…

I didn’t/wasn’t “lusting” after this woman, but I’ll admit that I did stop what I was doing and mentally do a “Wow, THAT is one good looking gal”.

Isn’t that why you gals go through so much trouble each day? To look your best… even if it garners un-wanted appreciation?

Having read your post, I looked at your signature line. That left me with one question.

What happened next?

 

[rpp]

or people are sick n tired of double standard, or maybee people are tired of threir physical anatamy determinging how they should live with out reguard to how they are inside.

What point are you making here? That tranvestites are holy? Please, please, please tell me that I misunderstood you.

 

[lak611]

I think that wearing dresses or pants is a personal choice. Some women feel called to wear dresses and that is fine. Other women feel modest in slacks and that is fine.

It may not be a personal choice in all cases. I used to work in a chemical plant. OSHA regulations required all employees in the production areas of the plant to wear pants. Women were not permitted by law to wear dresses. There are probably many other occupations that require certain types of attire according to the government regulations.

 

[deb1]

It may not be a personal choice in all cases. I used to work in a chemical plant. OSHA regulations required all employees in the production areas of the plant to wear pants. Women were not permitted by law to wear dresses. There are probably many other occupations that require certain types of attire according to the government regulations.

I am going to guess that if a woman felt very strongly that she, as an individual, should wear dresses only that she wouldn’t work in that particular chemical plant. So, it is still a personal choice issue.

I don’t know what kind of work was involved in your chemical plant, so I can’t comment on the rules. Perhaps there was fear that a loose skirt would catch on something dangerous?

It is a constant source of amazement to me that our female ancestors did so much difficult work:soap making, washing clothing, etc in skirts and corsets. How did these women breath, for goodness sake?

 

[lak611]

I am going to guess that if a woman felt very strongly that she, as an individual, should wear dresses only that she wouldn’t work in that particular chemical plant. So, it is still a personal choice issue.

Well, it would be a personal choice, but not on clothing, it would be refusing to work there. It would probably apply to all chemical plants, not just that one. Occupational Safety & Health Administration makes the laws regarding workplace attire in those cases. The personal protective equipment required on the job probably is the reason for the regulation. It would be impossible to put a Tyvek suit on over a dress.

 

[deb1]

Well, it would be a personal choice, but not on clothing, it would be refusing to work there. It would probably apply to all chemical plants, not just that one. Occupational Safety & Health Administration makes the laws regarding workplace attire in those cases. The personal protective equipment required on the job probably is the reason for the regulation. It would be impossible to put a Tyvek suit on over a dress.

Yes, I can see the reasoning behind that. Is a Tyvek suit like a jump suit?

 

[lak611]

Yes, I can see the reasoning behind that. Is a Tyvek suit like a jump suit?

It’s one of those yellow suits that you see haz-mat workers wearing.

 

[aspawloski4th]

What point are you making here? That tranvestites are holy? Please, please, please tell me that I misunderstood you.

DID I state that anything is holy or un holy?? no! Ill say this I have a long distance/online friend Im thinking of who was born male and has had surgery to make her female because she wouldnt be able to function as a male in society like most say should because being physically born that way. if she was with "the program " or to try to live as most think she should, as a male would of either ended up either in an institution or dead. as for the issue of women wearing pants we have a double standard pants can be worn by both sexes while skirts cant. I think the issue with some men wearing skirts is some are sick n tired of double standards, also some are sick n tired of being viewed as being required to live in a narrow role of life. while the opposite sex isnt. myself I never saw a double standard I liked. it should be either men and women can wear both skirts and pants or women wear skirts, men wear pants, simply put.

 

[lak611]

DID I state that anything is holy or un holy?? no! Ill say this I have a long distance/online friend Im thinking of who was born male and has had surgery to make her female because she wouldnt be able to function as a male in society like most say should because being physically born that way. if she was with "the program " or to try to live as most think she should, as a male would of either ended up either in an institution or dead.

Huh? This makes no sense to me. :whacky: There is no reason that a person cannot function in society in the normal body that God created him or her to be. Homosexuals need to live a chaste lifestyle, not have surgery to make them a different sex so they can live unchaste lives.

 

[aspawloski4th]

Huh? This makes no sense to me. :whacky: There is no reason that a person cannot function in society in the normal body that God created him or her to be. Homosexuals need to live a chaste lifestyle, not have surgery to make them a different sex so they can live unchaste lives.

tisk tisk tisk, it has nothing to do with sexual attraction my overly simple friend. I happen to also know a transsexual who went thru the surgery and is living a celebate ( by choice )… God created the design but nature created the body, or there would be hermaphrodite! with you automatically thinking its all about sex and noth even thinking of gender identity Im lead to wonder how chaste of mind you are for your statement. gender identity and sexual attraction are 2 separate aspects of human personality not mutually exclusive. not every one born physically male like rough housing, G I Jo, tonka trucks, and NASCAR. some like flowers, bubble baths, romance novells, and the softer things in life, just by their nature. by the way I do agree homosexuals need to live chaste life styles, but gender identity and sexual attraction are no more related to eachother than burlap and butter.

 

[aspawloski4th]

by the way check out my other posts in CAF over the 2 years Ive been a memeber. you find Im not a liberal planted to here agitate. Im genrally conservative, but I think for myself and dont look for simple answers to things, I just look for the correct answer whether be cimplicated or simple. bon apitit