Papa Ben's Novus Ordo 2.0

[estesbob]

Great post,…I couldn’t agree more.

The New Oxford Review certainly isn’t for every one, it pulls no punches, it’s probably the only periodical that I sit down to read within minutes of finding it in the mailbox!
WARNING: If you absolutely love that Novus Ordo and have a closed mind, reading the first two pages will probably get your blood pressure up.

You agree its OK to call the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass a “pig”. There is no problem with us having a disagreement over the rubrics of the Mass but to comapre the Mass to a “pig” is disgusting. i am sorry you found it acceptable.

 

[estesbob]

I’ve got it bookmarked. I’ll have to check it out

If you like it subscribe. it very much needs our support. .

 

[Jeanette_L]

Like the saying goes, you can put lipstick on a pig and dress it up, but in the end, it still is a pig.

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Did you really mean to call the Holy Mass… a pig?

Do you understand that the sacrifice, the Holy Sacrifice is really and truly present there, and you are calling it a pig?

I’m not sure I’m understanding how you can do this, and think yourself as being more holy than anyone who sees Christ’s presence there and receives him with a glad heart.

I find this very disturbing.

 

[consumedconvert]

PS to the OP: “Papa Ben”? He’s not literally a German Shepherd.

Agreed. OP is offensive for more than one reason.

 

[ProVobis]

The fast is not binding for a priest who has to celebrate two masses back to back.

What about if he faces the people?

 

[I_Believe]

Hi I Believe,

I’d like to give you a little information you may have missed. It’s about the Eucharistic Fast. Prior to 1953 the midnight fast was in place which included WATER and MEDICINE. But of course that excluded viaticum. In 1953 and again in 1957, Pope Pius XII reduced the time to three hours from solid food and alcholic drink (from before Mass for the priest and from before Communion for the laity); non-alcoholic drink, one hour; water no longer included in the fast. In 1964 Pope Paul VI further reduced the fast to one hour, including all food and drink, allowing water and medicine any time. In 1973 the fast was reduced to fifteen minutes for the sick and elderly, including those attending them if one hour would be too difficult. The rule was changed in 1983 by Pope John Paul II for only the sick, elderly and those attending them the fast is not binding.

Thanks Patrick. I think most of that is in my 1962 Missal (reprint). Now that you’ve given the timeline, I recall reading pretty much the same.

I’m not much on breakfast, and due to my work schedule, I pretty much have to get up and rush to Mass on Sundays if I’m going to the EF. So the midnight thing isn’t a problem for me anyway.

 

[estesbob]

Did you really mean to call the Holy Mass… a pig?

Do you understand that the sacrifice, the Holy Sacrifice is really and truly present there, and you are calling it a pig?

I’m not sure I’m understanding how you can do this, and think yourself as being more holy than anyone who sees Christ’s presence there and receives him with a glad heart.

I find this very disturbing.

Me too-I also find it disturbing that some applaud his comparison.

 

[I_Believe]

What about if he faces the people?

gee thanks PV.

(wiping the soda I spewed off my 1962 missal aND KEYBOARD)

OH GREAT, NOW MY CAPS LOCK IS STUCK

:crying:

 

[I_Believe]

Hello again I Believe,

Maybe Springtime is here for you, but have all the flowers opened yet? Pardon my attempt at some lighthearted humor. If you’re happy at what the Pope did, well I’m glad for you as a fellow Catholic. The important things we still have a healthy Holy Father and the Eucharist.

Actually you know that the Pope is the Bishop of Rome as well. So if he wanted to change something in his diocese he can without it being binding in others dioceses. Since, the option in the hand depends on whatever the Archbishop or Bishop decides for their particular See.

True. He has to plant the seeds first. The fact that he was elected to the papacy gives me great hope. I side with the trads, but they would probably call me a neo trad. Even a wannabe trad. That’s ok though.

I came very close to formally becoming a member of our local SSPX parish, but when Bishop Fellay started his “perfect liberal” labeling of BXVI and that goofy “what a mystery” stuff, the writing was, and is, on the wall. I respect the SSPX as a whole and pray for the excommunications and suspensions to be lifted, but I love Pope BXVI and will not offer stewardship to a group lead by someone with such a sad lack of prudence. He could have very well made his point without such foolish words.

 

[saint_rafael]

I do read and subscribe to the New Oxford Review

It is a great Catholic magazine. They are not as traditional as I would like, but then again, I’m a crazy trad that reads The Remnant.

As far as the whole pig thing, it was a metaphor. I know that the New Mass is still the sacrifice of Calvary and is valid. However, I believe it is bad liturgy.

There is a dangher of loosing sight of the sacrifice and the supernatural because of all the abuses. The New Mass de-emphasizes the sacrifice in favor of a communal meal. It emphasizes Holy Thursday to the exclusion of Calvary.

The silliness, abuses, celebration, fluff, sugary Protestant friendliness, clapping, music, and emphasis on feelings, and emotion cover up what should be a serious liturgy in reparation for sin and vertical worship of God.
The 1970 Missal was completely gutted and lost most of the prayers, genuflections, and kneelings.

 

[consumedconvert]

True. He has to plant the seeds first. The fact that he was elected to the papacy gives me great hope. I side with the trads, but they would probably call me a neo trad. Even a wannabe trad. That’s ok though.

I came very close to formally becoming a member of our local SSPX parish, but when Bishop Fellay started his “perfect liberal” labeling of BXVI and that goofy “what a mystery” stuff, the writing was, and is, on the wall. I respect the SSPX as a whole and pray for the excommunications and suspensions to be lifted, but I love Pope BXVI and will not offer stewardship to a group lead by someone with such a sad lack of prudence. He could have very well made his point without such foolish words.

I appreciate your respect, love, and faithfulness to the Holy Father!

I also pray for full reunion.

 

[I_Believe]

People keep saying that like its a good thing. Sounds a bit sadistic to me.

PS to the OP: “Papa Ben”? He’s not literally a German Shepherd.

Sounds sarcastic ? I wasn’t being sarcastic. He’s spoke on it .

 

[I_Believe]

I appreciate your respect, love, and faithfulness to the Holy Father!

I also pray for full reunion.

Thanks CC.

 

[JReducation]

True. He has to plant the seeds first. The fact that he was elected to the papacy gives me great hope. I side with the trads, but they would probably call me a neo trad. Even a wannabe trad. That’s ok though.

I came very close to formally becoming a member of our local SSPX parish, but when Bishop Fellay started his “perfect liberal” labeling of BXVI and that goofy “what a mystery” stuff, the writing was, and is, on the wall. I respect the SSPX as a whole and pray for the excommunications and suspensions to be lifted, but I love Pope BXVI and will not offer stewardship to a group lead by someone with such a sad lack of prudence. He could have very well made his point without such foolish words.

This kind of Traditionalism is deserving of respect, because it is respectful of that which deserves respect.

Great post.

JR

 

[Like]

People keep saying that like its a good thing. Sounds a bit sadistic to me.

What? Please explain what sounds
SADISTIC to you. Thanks

PS to the OP: “Papa Ben”? He’s not literally a German Shepherd.

PS to the OP: “Papa Ben”? He’s not literally a German Shepherd.

Agreed. OP is offensive for more than one reason.

Please, what did you find offensive?

Sounds sarcastic ? I wasn’t being sarcastic. He’s spoke on it .

I Believe, I think you read that word wrong. However, I didn’t understand it.

I can’t believe some here didn’t find the OP funny.
Get a LIFE!!!

 

[Tommy_Joe]

Good golly, some of you folks really need to get over yourselves.

Unbelievable…

By the way,…look up and contemplate the use of “metaphor”, and try to laugh every once in a while,…it’ll do wonders for your outlook on life.

 

[Jeanette_L]

Good golly, some of you folks really need to get over yourselves.

Unbelievable…

By the way,…look up and contemplate the use of “metaphor”, and try to laugh every once in a while,…it’ll do wonders for your outlook on life.

Nope, still not comfortable in calling the Holy Mass a pig with lipstick on.

Irreverent and heartbreaking choice, “metaphor” or not.

The Offering is too precious to be thought of or talked of in this way, sense of humor or not.

And BTW, if it were someone from the “other side” of things, (the ‘clown mass’ side as everyone likes to call them) saying such things, all heck would break out around here. JMHO.

 

[PrayforMallory]

True. He has to plant the seeds first. The fact that he was elected to the papacy gives me great hope. I side with the trads, but they would probably call me a neo trad. Even a wannabe trad. That’s ok though.

I came very close to formally becoming a member of our local SSPX parish, but when Bishop Fellay started his “perfect liberal” labeling of BXVI and that goofy “what a mystery” stuff, the writing was, and is, on the wall. I respect the SSPX as a whole and pray for the excommunications and suspensions to be lifted, but I love Pope BXVI and will not offer stewardship to a group lead by someone with such a sad lack of prudence. He could have very well made his point without such foolish words.

Yeah I sympathize with some of their values, even their doctrinal stance, but I find it really grating when traditionalists disrespect the Pope, because frankly, he is doing all he can to revive it.

I also don’t like it when Pope Benedict’s theological and liturgical writings are ignored.

“The Second Vatican Council has not been treated as a part of the entire living Tradition of the Church, but as an end of Tradition, a new start from zero. The truth is that this particular council defined no dogma at all, and deliberately chose to remain on a modest level, as a merely pastoral council; and yet many treat it as though it had made itself into a sort of superdogma which takes away the importance of all the rest.”

 

[saint_rafael]

Nope, still not comfortable in calling the Holy Mass a pig with lipstick on.

Irreverent and heartbreaking choice, “metaphor” or not.

The Offering is too precious to be thought of or talked of in this way, sense of humor or not.

And BTW, if it were someone from the “other side” of things, (the ‘clown mass’ side as everyone likes to call them) saying such things, all heck would break out around here. JMHO.

Well I have no warm feelings for the Novus Ordo. You can go down with a sinking ship if you want. The Novus Ordo is on its death bed.

I pray for the restoration of the TLM and hope the Novus Ordo will soon be phased out in the next couple of years and be regulated to the history books as one of the biggest blunders in Church history.

 

[I_Believe]

This kind of Traditionalism is deserving of respect, because it is respectful of that which deserves respect.

Great post.

JR

Thanks JR, It just seems clear here lately that there are unrealistic expectations. Pope BXVI isn’t going to ask the SSPX to send him a list of Cardinals and Bishops they would like replaced immediately. Nor is he going to yank the NO out from under the priests and faithful who have known nothing but the NO.

It’s going to take time. And if the SSPX can’t see this, and the good fruits of the SP, then they might as well admit that they have given up on Rome.

And I have to question whether giving up on Rome is in the best interest of their flock.