Papal candidates - Short List?

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whipp711 said:
I really think Dolan has zero chance. I like him a lot, but the Church would catch flak from the rest of the world. A Pope from a super power. Nope. Face, the U.S. doesn’t have a really warm and fuzzy reputation. It would be a political hot potatoe from a secular standpoint.
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Something like this, I think the Church in Africa and Asia has been very vibrant, they could lead us, perhaps the Canadian Cardinal though might fullfill a sort of low-profile billing if they wanted that.
 
GWright said:
Although I am far from an expert on all Cardinals, my pick would be Cardinal Malcolm Ranjith, a 65 yr old Sri-Lankan.

At 65, he would be young enough (approx. a decade younger than Benedict, when he was elected as Pope).

Cardinal Ranjith can speak 10 languages, (more than Pope Benedict), and so meets Cardinal Dolans criteria (and then some). He can fluently speak Italian, German, French, Hebrew, Greek, Latin, Spanish, English, Sinhala and Tamil.

Cardinal Ranjith is also very traditionally minded, especially with regard to the Liturgy and how we receive communion.

He is favourable towards the SSPX, having stated last year he would like them to run his diocesan seminaries.

catholicknight.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/breaking-cardinal-ranjith-wants-sspx-to.html

He is also on record as discussing the return to the Latin Mass with Bishop Bernard Fellay of the SSPX. See this article extract:

See article dates 22/01/11 at eponymousflower.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Cardinal%20Ranjith

It very much seems to me that Cardinal Ranjith is the* ideal *candidate to complete the work - the renewal of the Church through tradition - which Pope Benedict has started.

Cardinal Ranjith is strongly against communion-in-the-hand, and a strong advocate of the Tridentine mass. Fantastic policies in my eyes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Ranjith

I also think the fact that Cardinal Ranjith is not a white man, with English is his first language, will count in his favour. The Church is a global entity, not sjmply a regional one, and the Papacy should reflect this. (We have only had something like 3 Popes in all history who were not white Europeans).

I do not think a North American Pope would be a good idea. I think there are several fine North American Cardinals, (Burke, O’Malley), however I think an American Pope might lead the Papacy to be seen as a puppet of the White House, (see the cosy photos of Cardinal Dolan giggling away with Obama), which would adversely affect Holy See relations with Russian, China, Islamic nations in the middle east etc etc.

(I am not saying there can never be a Yankee Pope, I just don’t think now is the right time).

So, its Cardinal Ranjith for me, and that is what I will be praying for - please do join me!

We simply cannot have a liberal / modernist at any cost. Whoever ascends to the throne of Peter simply** must ** be a resolute defender of the faith and morality, in this perverted age of abortion-on-demand and gay-marriage etc.
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From Wikipedia:
“On 7 October 2009 Archbishop Ranjith issued new liturgical guidelines in his diocese. These include; “all faithful, including the religious, to receive Holy Communion reverently kneeling and on the tongue” as well as laymen being forbidden from preaching.[4] In addition to this, priests are forbidden to bring elements or styles of worship from other religions into the liturgy.”

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New_World_Man said:
Dolan did a tremendous job in Milwaukee cleaning up the mess left from Rembert Weakland. He is also extremely outgoing and personable. I also doubt we would have to worry about him yucking it up with Obama.
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He already yucked it up with Obama at that dinner he hosted before the election. How he could have been so cordial to a man who supports partial-birth abortions is beyond me. I lost all respect for Dolan when that happened.
 
Cardinal Arinze certainly has the face of wisdom and the best of values and in sound health.
 
mburn16;10345138] “Papal Candidates - Short List?”
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No, no…its not a short list. 😉
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Personally, I think we desperately need a strong communicator who can make a good and charismatic case for the value of traditional conservative positions in the modern world. We don’t need a theologian, we need an advocate for Christ - someone who can continue to help spread the church into new lands, but who can also help to reassert the church’s strength in the West.
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Dolan might be too much of a Yankee, but if we can’t have someone in his strain, I’ll take Ouellet - although there seems to be some doubt if he really wants the job.
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According to the book, “The Last Pope” by John Hogue, (published by Element Books Ltd 2000,) Benedict XVI was the penultimate pope (for what that’s worth). Personally, I view the prophesies of St Malachy as being somewhat in the same vein as those of Nostradamus. i.e. capable of being interpreted to suit ones’ paradigm. However, what does anybody else think about it (the statement in the book I mean)?

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EWTN discussed this some, of course, we will have weeks and weeks to discuss this.

However, they said Cardinal Turkson may have said a few things a bit out there a few years ago, about world government, sort of liberation theology type of stuff. He may have walked it back.

IF these things were too radical, that would leave Cardinal Arinze who has great values.
 
Protector said:
According to the book, “The Last Pope” by John Hogue, (published by Element Books Ltd 2000,) Benedict XVI was the penultimate pope (for what that’s worth). Personally, I view the prophesies of St Malachy as being somewhat in the same vein as those of Nostradamus. i.e. capable of being interpreted to suit ones’ paradigm. However, what does anybody else think about it (the statement in the book I mean)?

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Possibly that is private revelation, fascinating topic though, under the back fence forum (water cooler area), there is an “End Times discussion” thread: perhaps that is where you can speak of this.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=729318

Perhaps this is acceptable in this linked forum.
 
From The Telegraph:
Swiss Cardinal Kurt Koch, head of the Vatican department for Christian unity, said that the church’s future was not in Europe.
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“It would be good if there were candidates from Africa or South America at the next conclave,” he said. Asked if he would vote for a non-European over a European candidate if they were equally qualified, he responded: “Yes.”
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“I know a lot of bishops and cardinals from Latin America who could take responsibility for the universal Church,” said Archbishop Gerhard Mueller, who now holds the Pope’s old post as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
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I pray that the Holy Spirit gifts the church with a man who is loving, joyful, peaceful, patient, kind, generous, faithful, gentle, disciplined, and without guile: In other words, a true saint that stands in stark and vivid contrast to the world of sin which will no doubt seek his , and the church he serves, destruction.
 
unafraid said:
I pray that the Holy Spirit gifts the church with a man who is loving, joyful, peaceful, patient, kind, generous, faithful, gentle, disciplined, and without guile: In other words, a true saint that stands in stark and vivid contrast to the world of sin which will no doubt seek his , and the church he serves, destruction.
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Well said, the words never come to me!
 
I’m not convinced I see the logic of “the church is failing in Europe, not doing THAT great in North America, but growing well south of the Equator - so lets look there for a Pope!”

Seems to me that is like ceding ground. Considering that condition, where the Church in the Southern half of the world is growing no matter what, I would say we need a forceful, Western European or American advocate for conservative faith in the modern world. Someone who can stand right up and speak on topics of culture and government and mass media that are fueling the secularist surge.

Its not as if there is any shortage of evidence of the problems it has created to be pointed out…
 
mburn16 said:
Someone who can stand right up and speak on topics of culture and government and mass media that are fueling the secularist surge.
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The irony is that the “liberals” themselves view a pope from the developing world as too conservative for their liking. From the same article:
Gemma Simmonds, a nun and senior lecturer a the University of London, said that the idea of a developing world pope might be attractive but warned that “prelates from these countries can be extraordinarily authoritarian”.
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“They can have very, very low opinions of women for example – they come from cultures where women don’t hold positions of authority,” she said.
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“What would be a good thing for the church is to have someone who has had recent direct pastoral experience, who know what it is like being a person of faith in ordinary life now.”
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In the spirit of this rare event in the Church, I am going to go out on a limb with my prediction:

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Dom Louis-Marie, Abbot of Sainte Madeleine du Barroux.
 
BroomWagon said:
Cardinal Arinze certainly has the face of wisdom and the best of values and in sound health.
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I agree, but he’s 80 and, considering the reason Pope Benedict is renouncing his office, I really don’t think they’ll elect anyone over the age of 70.
 
stormcloud said:
I agree, but he’s 80 and, considering the reason Pope Benedict is renouncing his office, I really don’t think they’ll elect anyone over the age of 70.
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But that is conventional and manly wisdom.

The Holy Spirit is who will decide who will be the Pope, they shouldn’t deny whomever is the best man the position merely because of his age, he appears in good health.

These articles list him as a favorite.

policymic.com/articles/25705/cardinal-francis-arinze-5-facts-about-the-potential-first-african-pope

au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/16116002/bookmakers-tip-nigerian-or-canadian-as-next-pope/

Not knocking Italy, but at least some Italians do have a problem with race still as Berlusconi’s brother was in the news lately about this, I think that would be a bigger hindrance.
 
BroomWagon said:
But that is conventional and manly wisdom.

The Holy Spirit is who will decide who will be the Pope, they shouldn’t deny whomever is the best man the position merely because of his age, he appears in good health.
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True enough, but isn’t it also possible that the Holy Spirit prompted Pope Benedict to renounce knowing the influence it would have on the decision of the College of Cardinals?
 
stormcloud said:
True enough, but isn’t it also possible that the Holy Spirit prompted Pope Benedict to renounce knowing the influence it would have on the decision of the College of Cardinals?
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If the Holy Father had to have a medical intervention of throat cancer as one insider said, the Cardinals may know this and take it into account.
 
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