Papal candidates - Short List?

[BroomWagon]

Cardinal Ouellet from Canada was a name mentioned early on but you don’t hear his name anymore. Can anyone tell me why he wouldn’t be elected?

If you can link to the Cardinals being discussed, I’d be interested. I’m not sure if we aren’t hearing his name anymore, one might comb the French language press as well since I believe that is Ouellet’s primary language.

Administration of the Church has to be a part of the Pontiff’s job, though I don’t know to what extent it might be important to have a good administrator so I am also looking at the candidates thinking that this too is an important aspect as well. Not just that where a prospective candidate is from geographically is the only thing to be considered. Maybe I am wrong in how I look at that.

 

[Tigg]

When we view all the voting , betting, political discourse it is quite distracting from what God may ask of us.

Should we not consider the list of prayers for the Cardinal’s that are going through the process making a selection.

1. That they will be open vessels to the will of God and not their own.
2. That they will receive wisdom through the Holy Spirit.
3. That they will be present in their task and not distracted by all political, social, and commercial discourse.
4. That we will be inspired and strengthened in the presence of His Holliness in our lives.

Perhaps others can add their prayers for the conclave of Cardinals

May I add a 5th? That during the process they will be inspired to consider a man after God’s own heart and to discern his quest for holiness regardless of the face he presents to the world.

 

[Joe_5859]

John Allen has been doing a series on the “Papabile of the Day.” I have found it enjoyable just to learn a bit more about some of our cardinals. It makes me feel better knowing there are such good prelates out there.

Anyway, here is who he has profiled so far. Keep in mind that this is the National Catholic Reporter, so try to avoid looking at the comments section if you have forgotten your blood pressure medication.

1. 
   *]Cardinal Angelo Scola
   *]Cardinal Peter Turkson
   *]Cardinal Marc Ouellet
   *]Cardinal Leonardo Sandri
   *]Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagle
   *]Cardinal Odilo Pedro Scherer
   *]Cardinal Péter Erdõ
   *]Cardinal Christoph Schönborn
   *]Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi
   *]Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco
   *]Cardinal Malcolm Ranjith
   *]Cardinal Robert Sarah
   
   Though not part of the series proper, Allen did write a similar type of article on Cardinal Sean O’Malley.

 

[Vouthon]

John Allen has been doing a series on the “Papabile of the Day.” I have found it enjoyable just to learn a bit more about some of our cardinals. It makes me feel better knowing there are such good prelates out there.

Anyway, here is who he has profiled so far. Keep in mind that this is the National Catholic Reporter, so try to avoid looking at the comments section if you have forgotten your blood pressure medication.

1. 
   *]Cardinal Angelo Scola
   *]Cardinal Peter Turkson
   *]Cardinal Marc Ouellet
   *]Cardinal Leonardo Sandri
   *]Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagle
   *]Cardinal Odilo Pedro Scherer
   *]Cardinal Péter Erdõ
   *]Cardinal Christoph Schönborn
   *]Cardinal Gianfranco Ravasi
   *]Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco
   *]Cardinal Malcolm Ranjith
   *]Cardinal Robert Sarah
   
   Though not part of the series proper, Allen did write a similar type of article on Cardinal Sean O’Malley.

1. 
   Thank you for linking to Allen brother!
   
   I have been following his papabili profiles from the beginning as well. I likewise found them very informative and fun to read.
   
   Say we have a spectrum (and I’m speaking politically and secularly here so I beg your forgiveness in advance) of moderate conservative, centre-conservative and traditionalist (because all the cardinals are theological conservatives).
   
   My opinion is that they will probably not pick someone like Cardinal Turkson or Oscar Maradiaga (whose anti-Semitic outburst I hope will be recalled by the cardinals ), whom most analysts place on the moderate conservative side nor will they pick Cardinal Ranjith, who is on the traditionalist side (in fact he is the most traditional cardinal of them all).
   
   My bet would be on one typically known as having “centre-moderate” views that can appeal to both camps and foster unity in the church among diverse groups.
   
   Who knows though, we may get the very opposite of what I say! Its so unpredictable!

 

[triumphguy]

I dunno - Paddy Powers is a pretty bright guy

No - we can’t (shouldn’t) guess (or bet on) what the Holy Spirit will choose - but I bet (oops) the bookies odds are pretty accurate.

 

[Elizabeth502]

Just a note of humor here:

MSNBC was rather amusing yesterday, more so than usual. Chris Matthews announced in his “Let Me Finish” segment that he “hopes the enclave will pick a young and liberal Pope.”

The headlines in Ed Schultz’s last segment on his show screamed out something about ‘papal scandals rocking the Church.’

Just understand that this is where most of America gets its information.

 

[Cojuanco]

I dunno - Paddy Powers is a pretty bright guy

No - we can’t (shouldn’t) guess (or bet on) what the Holy Spirit will choose - but I bet (oops) the bookies odds are pretty accurate.

Nothing wrong with betting on the papal election, though I personally would not do it.

 

[LisaA]

Just a note of humor here:

MSNBC was rather amusing yesterday, more so than usual. Chris Matthews announced in his “Let Me Finish” segment that he “hopes the enclave will pick a young and liberal Pope.”

The headlines in Ed Schultz’s last segment on his show screamed out something about ‘papal scandals rocking the Church.’

Just understand that this is where most of America gets its information.

Yeah…waiting for People Magazine to come out next week so we can get the REAL STORY about why the Pope resigned…

Oddly I am getting this question frequently…I guess as the resident Catholic I am expected to be in the know about Vatican intrigue. People just do not want to believe what the Holy Father said about his decision.

Lisa

 

[triumphguy]

Nothing wrong with betting on the papal election, though I personally would not do it.

I mean we can’t bet on the Holy Spirit

 

[PJD1987]

Nothing wrong with betting on the papal election, though I personally would not do it.

Pope Gregory XIV released a bull in 1591 imposing excommunication on Catholics who bet on the papal election. It was abrogated by the reforms of Benedict XV in the early 20th century with his new canon law, but never officially. On top of that the Archbishop of Westminster forbid Catholics from participating in betting on the 1978 papal elections of John Paul I and John Paul II because it was so widespread and scandalous.

 

[Brendan_64]

Cardinal Tagle would be a good choice. A man with a deep social conscience and concern for the poor, and someone with a good 30 years ahead of him to really build us up.

 

[Dawnia]

If you mean how many cardials participated in the conclave last time, it was actually exactly the same: 117 eligible electors with 2 of them not participating bringing the total participants to 115.

If you mean how many of the cardinals participating this time also participated in the 2005 conclave, 67 of the cardinal electors were appointed by Benedict XVI. The other 48 were appointed by John Paul II. So those 48 will be participating in their second conclave.

Thank you! That was what I was wondering.

 

[Dawnia]

Anyway, here is who he has profiled so far. Keep in mind that this is the National Catholic Reporter, so try to avoid looking at the comments section if you have forgotten your blood pressure medication.

I find the comments very enlightening. If the Non-Catholic Reporter crowd like a particular Cardinal…I can cross him off the list of likely candidates.

 

[LisaA]

I find the comments very enlightening. If the Non-Catholic Reporter crowd like a particular Cardinal…I can cross him off the list of likely candidates.

NCR’s view on Tagle is that he’s “balanced” which screams redistributionist and one world government. Understandable given his background but when I saw him on a video he frankly reminded me a lot of Jeremiah Wright. A lot of demonizing evil corporations, power brokers and such. Here’s what NCR said:

Theologically and politically, Tagle is considered balanced. He’s taken strong positions against the Philippines’ proposed Reproductive Health Bill, which includes promotion of birth control. Yet his towering social concern is defense of the poor,** and he’s also got a strong environmental streak.**

I have seen a number of Tagle proponents on various threads. I am not on board with him at this time.

Lisa

 

[Brendan_64]

Yet his towering social concern is defense of the poor,** and he’s also got a strong environmental streak.**

So when has defense of the poor, social concern, and a caring for the world that has been entrusted in our care, become a negative?

Our Lord was poor, he walked amongst the destitute, his apostles were poor, and the early Christains tended to come from the lower social classes. I think too often the need for social justice and a fairer world is overlooked. We live in an incredibly unfair world where some of us have so much, while others in the world are starving. Surely fairness in the distribution of the world’s resources and wealth is something positive for Christians to strive for?

As for a care for the environment. The Earth was entrusted to us by God and it is our duty to care for it. How is a concern for the environment a dangerous quality in a potential head of our Church?

I think Tagle would make a great Pope, partly because of the very qualities you mention.

 

[Vouthon]

I think Tagle would make a great Pope, partly because of the very qualities you mention.

Amen. I personally love Tagle. If he became pope I would probably dance in the streets with joy (yes I like him that much). My worry is that the cardinals will look at him and think, “he will make a great pope someday” but not at this conclave because of his age and lack of curial experience given that he was made a cardinal only last November. Benedict XV was made a cardinal 3 months before the conclave in 1914 when he was elected though.

I read an article by Vaticanist Andrea Torneilli in which the author said that a certain cardinal had spoke to the paper and explained that they are looking for a young pope but no too long because many of them don’t want “another 30 year reign”, referring to JPII’s 27 years on the chair. Tagle is only 55. JPII was 58 when elected.

 

[LisaA]

So when has defense of the poor, social concern, and a caring for the world that has been entrusted in our care, become a negative?

Our Lord was poor, he walked amongst the destitute, his apostles were poor, and the early Christains tended to come from the lower social classes. I think too often the need for social justice and a fairer world is overlooked. We live in an incredibly unfair world where some of us have so much, while others in the world are starving. Surely fairness in the distribution of the world’s resources and wealth is something positive for Christians to strive for?

As for a care for the environment. The Earth was entrusted to us by God and it is our duty to care for it. How is a concern for the environment a dangerous quality in a potential head of our Church?

I think Tagle would make a great Pope, partly because of the very qualities you mention.

And I would guess you are on the Left. These are Leftist values. I don’t mean caring for the poor or concern for the enironment. It is our duty to protect the weak, defenseless, the poor, the marginalized. It is also our duty to be good stewards of the blessings of this earth.

No one is arguing against those responsibilities. But the “Liberation Theology” is not authentically Catholic. When I heard Cardinal Tagle, he sounded very much like a Leftist, redistributionist…take from one group and give to another. Class warfare. One group versus another. I do not think this would be the kind of philosophy that works in the universal Church.

Now I am no expert on Cardinal Tagle and maybe I have misunderstood his words. But he reminded me a lot of “Liberation Theologists” that were roundly and soundlly denounced by Blessed John Paul II.

Just my two cents but I understand the appeal to a certain segment of the Church.

Lisa

 

[Dawnia]

I think for the position of Pope, Orthodoxy is the most important quality. Without that, you don’t have anything.

 

[Elizabeth502]

I think for the position of Pope, Orthodoxy is the most important quality. Without that, you don’t have anything.

It is doubtful that most or even all of the other papabile are not as orthodox as Tagle.

 

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