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hee heeNEWSFLASH:
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CAF Declares Pope’s Masses - 'Not Good Enough’
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That’a a really good analogy. I mean it’s not hard to find out our Holy Father’s favorite music is SACRED music. Somebody really dropped the ball and commited a major faux paus!
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Kevin42
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Yes I realize that. I admit that I was rather surprised (not in a good way) when I saw the camera go to the choir and show some people playing guitars and when I heard some of the music. However, I just think at any mass - while there may be things that need to be “fixed” - I think we should always do everything we can to focus on Jesus and The Word while attending mass. I think we must always do our best and, even if it takes work, we must focus mentally so that we do not let human silliness detract from the joy our Lord brings us.
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I think they humiliated themselves. I was humiliated and I only watched it.
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Ana
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Yes, and especially if the POPE is coming to preside over said Mass, they should have paid extra attention to planning the music. I like all kinds of music, and this was just a plain mess. It’s not like the Pope comes everyday, he (and the laity) shouldn’t have had to endure that horrible NOISE during the celebration of the Eucharist, during that extra special Mass.
Who knows when he is coming again?
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Pax2u
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I agree with you on this, Kevin!
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Kevin42
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Yes, I do agree completly. While I do hope he does come back again so that I can actually see him in person, the likelihood of that happening does not seem very high. I am watching an encore presentation of the mass on EWTN at the moment and the Pope is entering on his popemobile. At least we got a beautiful performance of Holy God We Praise Thy Name before the mass?Yes, and especially if the POPE is coming to preside over said Mass, they should have paid extra attention to planning the music. I like all kinds of music, and this was just a plain mess. It’s not like the Pope comes everyday, he (and the laity) shouldn’t have had to endure that horrible NOISE during the celebration of the Eucharist, during that extra special Mass.
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irisheyes66
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Did this really happen?
I almost puked yesterday when, at the reception on the south lawn of the White House, Nancy Pelosi dropped to her knee and kissed the Pope’s hand.
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qubica
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A telling moment in the Liturgical Music was during the Communion when the choir/band performed (and I mean performed) the gospel style song. After it was done, many people broke into applause – during Communion, a time of reverent contemplation and thankfulness of the Eucharist.
It is a statement that in many ways, the liturgy of the Holy Sacrafice of the Mass in the American Catholic Church is aping Protestant worship and it’s appeal to emotional performances that delight our baser instincts at an emotional level. It’s not the words of the hymns, it’s that catchy rhythm and dynamic buildup that get us all up and clapping…fdelighting in and for ourselves.
I say this as a revert to the Catholic Church after 20 years in Protestant music ministry, often performing such music which is GOOD - just not good enough for the Mass, and often with an
undue focus that leads one away from contemplation and into a self-centered response to pleasing rhythms and novelty.
Dominus Vobiscus
It is a statement that in many ways, the liturgy of the Holy Sacrafice of the Mass in the American Catholic Church is aping Protestant worship and it’s appeal to emotional performances that delight our baser instincts at an emotional level. It’s not the words of the hymns, it’s that catchy rhythm and dynamic buildup that get us all up and clapping…fdelighting in and for ourselves.
I say this as a revert to the Catholic Church after 20 years in Protestant music ministry, often performing such music which is GOOD - just not good enough for the Mass, and often with an
undue focus that leads one away from contemplation and into a self-centered response to pleasing rhythms and novelty.
Dominus Vobiscus
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mom_of_ten
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To All of You, Friends in Christ,
I spent half of the Mass crying because the Holy Father came here, only to be insulted by music which he, himself has CONDEMNED in the Liturgy, time and time again.
My 17 year old son went to that Mass…for days, we have been discussing this issue…and I kept telling him how happy I was that he would FINALLY hear sacred music as the Holy Father sees fit…and then I turned on my TV…I can only imagine the conversations my son and I will have upon his return.
The two GOOD things for me…that I checked in with this forum; and CLEARLY see that MANY OTHERS were outraged and ashamed and saddened as well…and that I now know (thanks to that info from one of the posters), that the Holy Father DID NOT approve that “musical circus”.
THANK YOU ALL for renewing my HOPE that there ARE still people who want to hear SACRED music at the Mass.
Judy
I spent half of the Mass crying because the Holy Father came here, only to be insulted by music which he, himself has CONDEMNED in the Liturgy, time and time again.
My 17 year old son went to that Mass…for days, we have been discussing this issue…and I kept telling him how happy I was that he would FINALLY hear sacred music as the Holy Father sees fit…and then I turned on my TV…I can only imagine the conversations my son and I will have upon his return.
The two GOOD things for me…that I checked in with this forum; and CLEARLY see that MANY OTHERS were outraged and ashamed and saddened as well…and that I now know (thanks to that info from one of the posters), that the Holy Father DID NOT approve that “musical circus”.
THANK YOU ALL for renewing my HOPE that there ARE still people who want to hear SACRED music at the Mass.
Judy
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wnt2bHis
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Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
From our own Church Doctrine:
God Bless.
From our own Church Doctrine:
Recognizing the doctrine of our Church, the celebration was appropriate.Art is subjective. I beg you not to foster a spirit of divisiveness in our Church by labeling leaders as conservative, liberal either. Keep your focus on what is central to all of us…the Eucharist. We are called to love everyone…no matter that tongue they speak or the style glory they sing!
God Bless.
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MrS
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wnt2bHis has posted the following… and I have emphasised in red those words that seem to “frown” on what happened in New York this morning.
1207 It is fitting that liturgical celebration tends to express itself in the culture of the people where the Church finds herself, though without being submissive to it. Moreover, the liturgy itself generates cultures and shapes them.
1208 The diverse liturgical traditions or rites, legitimately recognized, manifest the catholicity of the Church, because they signify and communicate the same mystery of Christ.
1209 The criterion that assures unity amid the diversity of liturgical traditions is fidelity to apostolic Tradition, i.e., the communion in the faith and the sacraments received from the apostles, a communion that is both signified and guaranteed by apostolic succession.
1207 It is fitting that liturgical celebration tends to express itself in the culture of the people where the Church finds herself, though without being submissive to it. Moreover, the liturgy itself generates cultures and shapes them.
1208 The diverse liturgical traditions or rites, legitimately recognized, manifest the catholicity of the Church, because they signify and communicate the same mystery of Christ.
1209 The criterion that assures unity amid the diversity of liturgical traditions is fidelity to apostolic Tradition, i.e., the communion in the faith and the sacraments received from the apostles, a communion that is both signified and guaranteed by apostolic succession.
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mom_of_ten
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207 It is fitting that liturgical celebration tends to express itself in the culture of the people where the Church finds herself,
Pope Benedict XVI has written and spoken IN DEPTH on this subject (music at Mass) and has condemned MUCH of what was heard today.
The cultures were embraced diversely enough by having readings in Spanish…or petitions in other languages; by having lectors of various ethnic backgrounds and races, etc…
Culture may be celebrated without making a circus event out of Sacred Music at the Mass.
The music at this Mass went WAY beyond being submissive to it…it bowed right down to it!!!
Pope Benedict XVI has written and spoken IN DEPTH on this subject (music at Mass) and has condemned MUCH of what was heard today.
The cultures were embraced diversely enough by having readings in Spanish…or petitions in other languages; by having lectors of various ethnic backgrounds and races, etc…
Culture may be celebrated without making a circus event out of Sacred Music at the Mass.
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wnt2bHis
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MrS…please illustrate your point so that I may see more clearly then. I’m not clear given the highlighting of a few words in the context of the entire paragraph.
In complete charity.
In complete charity.
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qubica
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IMHO, it came across as “we’ll show you (Pope Benedict XVI) how multicultural we are”, and it left me with the impression that we were trying to make a musical statement to the Pope, rather than worship Christ’s sacrifice.
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T.A.Stobie_SFO
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I hope so too,
Unfortunately some are the American Bishops support and encourage this mutilation of the Liturgy.
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peacelight
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As for me I watched from start to the end. I don’t go by the music. I don’t think God even mind the way it sound, the meaning and the sincerity of the singers that counts and everybody attending as well people that watch from home. Overall to me it is beautiful. We do not want to single out anyone and I am sure God doesn’t want it either. We should not go by how it should sounds to our ear but the message is important though it sound weird all of the songs music dedicated to the one true God.
Different ideas and rebellion that divide us. We should unite not to divide and race, languages or the different tunes should not be the road block for unity. Judge and you will be judge.
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It’s rerunning now on EWTN. For me, anyway this is not a blip in my memory … the burning shame will continue everytime I remember the freakshow we welcomed the Pope with.
It’s so blatantly insulting, it makes one wonder if it was done on purpose? I prefer to think it was misguided enthusiasm.
It’s so blatantly insulting, it makes one wonder if it was done on purpose? I prefer to think it was misguided enthusiasm.
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Kevin42
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I am sure this has been posted somewhere, but who can we contact to express our discontent? With the amount of concern being voiced here on CAF, I think it would be important if all of us who did not think the music was appropriate to contact those responsible for it and kindly let them know our feelings.
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But music DOES matter. The fact that people were applauding during communion shows how much music can influence the devotion and reverance of the laity. Music during Communion should encourage a deeper reflection of Christ present, not overshadow and take over, highlighting the musicians. Music … back burner … Christ, front and center.
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