Papal Mass in Glasgow

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barb_finnegan said:
Didn’t see or hear Susan Boyle, though…wonder when she came in?
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She sang “I dreamed a dream” from the musical Les misérables before the Mass. After the Mass she sang the hymn known as St Francis’ prayer: Make me a channel of your peace; a better choice for a Mass than the first one.
 
FAH said:
It was a wonderful Mass. Though I think I did see and priest walking down the rather steep steps, trip and drop some of the hosts from the paten he was carrying. But really a wonderful mass.
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Yes, a priest did fall. I cannot be absolutely sure if he dropped some hosts, but I think it did happen. Those steps were ridiculously steep!
 
SimonDodd said:
In fairness, they may have been when things got started. The wind looked fairly strong!
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I take your point. We’ll probably never know whether they were lit or not. They did however have whatever they’re called to protect them from the wind.
 
Does anybody know what happened with the 7 candles on the altar? I thought Msgr. Guido Marini had specifically demanded (in a nice way, of course) (for lack of better words) that there be 7 candles on the altar. I listen to the gloria on Fr. Z’s blog, and it was AWESOME!
 
Catholicben said:
Does anybody know what happened with the 7 candles on the altar? I thought Msgr. Guido Marini had specifically demanded (in a nice way, of course) (for lack of better words) that there be 7 candles on the altar. I listen to the gloria on Fr. Z’s blog, and it was AWESOME!
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Did Msgr. Marini insist (in the nicest possible way) that there were seven candles on the altar or did he just insist on seven candles? There were seven candles although only one was on the altar.
 
Matthew_Holford said:
Did Msgr. Marini insist (in the nicest possible way) that there were seven candles on the altar or did he just insist on seven candles? There were seven candles although only one was on the altar.
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I’m 99% sure that he was insisting (that’s just the word I was looking for! :D) that there be 7 on the altar. 7 on or around the altar is the “bare minimum” in following the rubrics.
GIRM:
…In addition, on or next to the altar are to be placed candlesticks with lighted candles: at least two in any celebration, or even four or six, especially for a Sunday Mass or a holy day of obligation. If the Diocesan Bishop celebrates, then seven candles should be used. Also on or close to the altar, there is to be a** cross with a figure of Christ crucified**. …
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7 on the altar is the pope’s strong wishes.

Honestly, what kind of nerve do they have going directly against the POPE?!? Frustrating…

What Happened:
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crazzeto said:
Well I googled the guardian at the suggestion of the blogger, and as I suspected they certainly did their best to spin the visit in a negative light thus far. No commentary yet on the Pontiffs homily.
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It’s basically the newspaper of the mainstream, thinking, cultured left—of middle class Labour-voting households. (The unthinking left preferred Socialist Worker and similar tat, while the vulgar classes start with the Sun and go downhill from there.) That’s not intended to sound critical of the Grauniad/]i or its readers, but that’s where they’re coming from.
 
SimonDodd said:
It’s basically the newspaper of the mainstream, thinking, cultured left—of middle class Labour-voting households. (The unthinking left preferred Socialist Worker and similar tat, while the vulgar classes start with the Sun and go downhill from there.) That’s not intended to sound critical of the Grauniad/]i or its readers, but that’s where they’re coming from.
Is it possible to go downhill from the Sun? It’s about as low as it gets.
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I can’t believe he actually gave a blessing in Gaelic at the end of the sermon. Good for him and good for Alba. 🙂
 
I must politely disagree with those who suggest the candles should’ve been placed on the altar - purely from the perspective that candles of that size would’ve completly obscured the view of the Holy Father for a good proportion of the crowd (certainly from the area I was in anyway). The candles were directly adjacent to the altar - that’s perfectly in line with GIRM.

For the person who said that some of Bishops present ‘couldn’t vest themselves’: although the weather was otherwise surprisingly good for this time of year, there was quite a strong wind (as I’m those of you watching would’ve noticed at the Gospel) - perhaps that was partly responsible for making things look slightly untidy. Back at Edinburgh Airport, the Holy Father had to retrieve his zuccheto after it was taken off by the wind.
 
O_Duirnin said:
I must politely disagree with those who suggest the candles should’ve been placed on the altar - purely from the perspective that candles of that size would’ve completly obscured the view of the Holy Father for a good proportion of the crowd
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It would not have mattered if they had obscured the sight line to the Holy Father. That’s because at Mass the celebrant (or principal concelebrant) is not meant to be the focus of the celebration. The Pope himself has made this comment on previous occasions.
O_Duirnin said:
For the person who said that some of Bishops present ‘couldn’t vest themselves’: although the weather was otherwise surprisingly good for this time of year, there was quite a strong wind (as I’m those of you watching would’ve noticed at the Gospel) - perhaps that was partly responsible for making things look slightly untidy. Back at Edinburgh Airport, the Holy Father had to retrieve his zuccheto after it was taken off by the wind.
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That was me. I appreciate that the strong winds would have ruffled their vestments. I was referring to two things. From what I could see most of the bishops (save for the Pope) were not wearing amices. Most of the bishops were wearing their pectoral crosses incorrectly. That is they were wearing them over their chasubles. The pectoral cross should be put on after the alb and before the stole. The Pope’s was not visible, I therefore infer he was wearing it correctly.
 
O_Duirnin said:
I must politely disagree with those who suggest the candles should’ve been placed on the altar - purely from the perspective that candles of that size would’ve completly obscured the view of the Holy Father for a good proportion of the crowd (certainly from the area I was in anyway). The candles were directly adjacent to the altar - that’s perfectly in line with GIRM.
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As Matthew said, it doesn’t matter if they obscured the view of the celebrant. In a way, that’s kinda the point. To show that the focus is on the Altar and the Lord, not the celebrant, Pope or otherwise.

Also, the pope has specifically requested that this arrangement be used. It isn’t anybody’s place to do otherwise. If the pope has asked something happen at a mass he celebrates (or any mass, for that matter), then by golly, it should happen! There’s nothing more to it than that!
 
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