Papal nuncio: Catholic division undermines religious freedom

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NeedsMercy said:
I think his post is the most satisfactory response to “What the Papal Nuncio **actually **said”.
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It is very clear what the Papal Nuncio said…and it should not be spun to say something that it did not.

He says that there are Catholic faithful supporting a party having intrinsic evil among its basic principles. He says that it is a divisive strategy…and an intentional dividing of the Church.

It is very clear. His words should be heeded.
 
Rence said:
Because it’s a bogus claim. There is no correlation between Obama-voters and Satanism.
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No correlation was ever made on my part.The remark in question was simply an observation on the source of a quote, “do what you will.” This was indeed the motto of Anton Lavey. However there was no mention of “Obama-voters” or Catholics made or implied. There was certainly no offense intended to anyone here. Perhaps we should all be less hasty to take offense.🙂
 
gnjsdad said:
Thanks for this informative post, and the youtube link to the Nuncio’s speech, which I listened to.

It is as you have described it. The Papal Nuncio was critical of the Democatic party platform and those Catholics who have given public support to the intrinsic evils contained in it (politicians like Biden, Pelosi, etc). He said nothing critical that I heard of anyone who may have voted Democratic.

I also found it revealing that he pointed to the inadequacy of the 1st Amendment as a guarantor of religious freedom. His presentation was of the Catholic understanding of religious liberty, not the American. IMO, they are not the same.
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And this is the crucial point in this whole arguement. We have to go from “what I think the Archbishop is saying” to “what the Archbishop actually said”. The latter has been made abundately clear in the video.
 
Faithdancer said:
No correlation was ever made on my part.The remark in question was simply an observation on the source of a quote, “do what you will.” This was indeed the motto of Anton Lavey. However there was no mention of “Obama-voters” or Catholics made or implied. There was certainly no offense intended to anyone here. Perhaps we should all be less hasty to take offense.🙂
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Then why didn’t you answer when I asked you to explain?
 
Mickey said:
It is very clear what the Papal Nuncio said…and it should not be spun to say something that it did not.

He says that there are Catholic faithful supporting a party having intrinsic evil among its basic principles. He says that it is a divisive strategy…and an intentional dividing of the Church.

It is very clear. His words should be heeded.
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I just don’t see how relating an entire quote is equivalent to “spin”. And, once again, the PN said “and Catholic faithful **publicly ** supporting it [the platform].” And, as far as I am concerned, I am, and have been, in total accord with his words and their intent.
 
livingwordunity said:
Obama did get 100% of the Satanist, atheist, and hedonist vote. He got the official endorsement of all of these groups and was fully endorsed by the porn industry as well.
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This is just too strange (and funny) to let go by. OK, I give up. Please, please, please give me your sources. Seriously, I really want to know.
 
Rence said:
I suggest you read the document put out by the Bishops in its entirety, that way ou can see the issues all together. Then it will make more sense to you. Again, The Church doesn’t dictate via exact script what Catholics are to do about many things. For example, using NFP for ‘grave’ or ‘serious’ reason is not scripted either. Everyone with a conscience knows that providing for those in need, particularly the young, the old, the sick and the disabled, is a huge component of protection of life and a major priorty, which puts the economy and healtcare front and center. The Church lists topics to consider when voting and says we are not one issue voters. That speaks volumes about what one should do and it’s as plain as day: consider all the issues when voting, and we are not one-issue voters. If we are not one issue voters, then candidates are not disqualified based on one issue all other factors considered.
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Do you believe life beings at conception and those conceived deserve equal protection as the mother? Young, old, sick and disabled need equal protection to that of the unborn

Point me to a single document which says proportionate reasons are health care and the economy singularly or in combination. You can not, no such statement is made in any Catholic document.
Yes, that’s what I’ve been saying: Our vote has consequences for everyone, not just the unborn or for marriage.
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Because, as I’ve said before, there is more to life than just being born. Society’s responsibility doesn’t just end with birth. There is a responsibility to provide for those who cannot otherwise provide for themselves. Getting them through birth doesn’t suffice. It’s only the beginning.
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How anything be more important than stopping 1 million plus human beings being killed annually? This is a human rights issue. If there was 1 million plus murders on the street and the candidates you voted for had policies that were proven to allow this murder to continue, would you continue voting for these candidates?

Those who are born already deserve equal chance and opportunity as those yet to be born, those who are born should not be given more consideration than those yet to be born
 
Just prior to these words …
We are still a far cry from fully embracing the Holy Father’s encouraging exhortation, when we witness in an unprecedented way a platform being assumed by a major political party, having intrinsic evil among its basic principles, and Catholic faithful publicly supporting it. There is a divisive strategy at work here, an intentional dividing of the Church. Through this strategy the body of the Church is weakened, and thus the Church can be more easily persecuted.
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He said these words referring to Pope Jean Paul II’s “Christisfidelis Laici” …
In this exhortation the Pope encourages the lay people to be mindful of their crucial role in temporal affairs as disciples of Christ rather than as some element of a political or secular ideology that bases its platform on the indecipherable formula established on the ambiguous foundation that unsuccessfully relies on the cure of social justice …
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I think this speaks to the proportionate reasoning argument.

I’M GONNA MEMORIZE IT as my best argument against the social justice crowd.

THANK YOU, AL MORITZ !!!
 
Just prior to Papal Nuncio saying these words …
We are still a far cry from fully embracing the Holy Father’s encouraging exhortation, when we witness in an unprecedented way a platform being assumed by a major political party, having intrinsic evil among its basic principles, and Catholic faithful publicly supporting it. There is a divisive strategy at work here, an intentional dividing of the Church. Through this strategy the body of the Church is weakened, and thus the Church can be more easily persecuted.
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He said these words referring to Pope Jean Paul II’s “Christisfidelis Laici” …
In this exhortation the Pope encourages the lay people to be mindful of their crucial role in temporal affairs as disciples of Christ rather than as some element of a political or secular ideology that bases its platform on the indecipherable formula established on the ambiguous foundation that unsuccessfully relies on the cure of social justice …
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What some people still don’t understand about the Papal nuncio’s statement is that supporting the platform is supporting the party. To say otherwise is wrong.
 
Abortion is a grave evil, that gives credence to eliminating the young, the old, the sick and the disabled. If those who have no independence can be killed by others for being unwanted… well isn’t this what abortion is? It puts ALL these people in danger, not just the unborn.
 
JMJSHJ said:
What some people still don’t understand about the Papal nuncio’s statement is that supporting the platform is supporting the party. To say otherwise is wrong.
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He also said that the “cure of social justice” argument is indecipherable, ambiguous and unsuccessful! There’s a nuanced slam based on “Christisfidelis Laici”!

If the Papal Nuncio is speaking correctly for the Pope, the push “social justice” and neglect “intrinsic evil” propaganda is not only evil, but justifies it with “common good” arguments that make no common sense. Check about 1:00:40 into the youtube in Al’s post on what the Papal Nuncio really said.
 
Mickey said:
The spin comes in when the Obama-Catholics attempt to interpret it.

The quote speaks for itself. 😉
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The quote is not entire unless you understand what “encouraging exhortation” the Pope is talking about. Go to about 1:00:40 in the youtube or read my previous post about what he said just prior to Al’s quote … it slams the social justice cure argument allowing basic principles including intrinsic evil to flourish. Indecipherable, Ambiguous, Unsuccessful is the social justice cure argument.
 
JMJSHJ said:
What some people still don’t understand about the Papal nuncio’s statement is that supporting the platform is supporting the party. To say otherwise is wrong.
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I didn’t see on the ballot where I was asked to vote on the platform or any other side matters discussed at the national conventions.
 
NeedsMercy said:
This is just too strange (and funny) to let go by. OK, I give up. Please, please, please give me your sources. Seriously, I really want to know.
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Jump through hoops for you just so you can tell me you don’t accept my sources? No thanks. But I have a question for you. Did you participate in the USCCB’s Fortnight for Freedom?
 
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