Papal nuncio: Catholic division undermines religious freedom

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Basic logic:
Given that if re-elected, Obama will absolutely continue to support abortion on demand, and funding for it
And, that supporting Obama, i.e. with a vote, absolutely contributes to his re-election
Then- supporting Obama supports the continuance of abortion on demand

Hope this helps!🙂
 
Faithdancer said:
Basic logic:
Given that if re-elected, Obama will absolutely continue to support abortion on demand, and funding for it
And, that supporting Obama, i.e. with a vote, absolutely contributes to his re-election
Then- supporting Obama supports the continuance of abortion on demand

Hope this helps!🙂
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Sorry, Faithdancer, you did not address what I believe to be the crucial–absolutely crucial–issue: How do you know that I am, personally, in my heart, “pro-abortion”?
 
Faithdancer said:
No idea. Hope not!🙂
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Congratulations, Faithdancer, you have just agreed with what the Obama voters here have been trying to say all along! :extrahappy: That wasn’t so bad, was it? We are real Catholics. We love our faith. We love our Church. We love our country. We see abortion for the evil it is. That’s it.

(BTW, you haven’t committed a mortal sin by seeing our side of this issue. 🙂 )
 
Would any Catholic feel comfortable with saying I voted for the 100% Pro-Child-Abuse candidate and I am in full compliance with Catholic social doctrine?
 
NeedsMercy said:
Sorry, Faithdancer, you did not address what I believe to be the crucial–absolutely crucial–issue: How do you know that I am, personally, in my heart, “pro-abortion”?
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Not to muddy the waters more than they already are, but this sounds just like what pro-choice Catholics would say…I am politically pro-choice but personally pro-life. And no matter how they want to rationalize it, they are supporting the “right” for someone else to end the life of the child in their womb. They won’t kill their own baby, but it’s okay if someone else kills theirs.
 
NeedsMercy said:
I am not talking about Obama and his stance on abortion.
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You should be talking about it. I am appalled at his stance on abortion on demand and infanticide. I am horrified at his staunch support of Planned Parenthood. I am terrified that he is attempting to force the contraception mandate on the Catholic Church.

And I am mystified as to how any Christian could have possibly voted for him.
NeedsMercy said:
I am definitely not pro-abortion, pro-death
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Then you should not have supported BO.
 
Lucky7 said:
Not to muddy the waters more than they already are, but this sounds just like what pro-choice Catholics would say…I am politically pro-choice but personally pro-life.
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It also sounds like Jimmy Carter.
 
NeedsMercy said:
Congratulations, Faithdancer, you have just agreed with what the Obama voters here have been trying to say all along! :extrahappy: That wasn’t so bad, was it? We are real Catholics. We love our faith. We love our Church. We love our country. We see abortion for the evil it is. That’s it.

(BTW, you haven’t committed a mortal sin by seeing our side of this issue. 🙂 )
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Talk is cheap. A catholic who loves our faith, strongly believes in its teachings and doesn’t see a disconnect between just saying “I am pro life” and making a responsible vote to ensure that abortion gets reduced as much as possible. Instead you vote for the most pro abortion president ever.

Faith isn’t about words or feelings. It is about actions.
 
NeedsMercy said:
Congratulations, Faithdancer, you have just agreed with what the Obama voters here have been trying to say all along! :extrahappy: That wasn’t so bad, was it? We are real Catholics. We love our faith. We love our Church. We love our country. We see abortion for the evil it is. That’s it.

(BTW, you haven’t committed a mortal sin by seeing our side of this issue. 🙂 )
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That side of the issue is direct rejection of the teachings of the church I see that side of the issue just like i see the side of the issue of those who blow themselves up to advance their political cause. In a way i respect them more than those who support abortion-they support others being killed to support their political cause.
 
Here is the indecipherable formula …

Given that all Catholic acknowledge …
Abortion = Child Abuse
Forming Conscience for Faithful Citizenship = Bishop’s Guidelines
Faithful Catholic Democrats exist within set of Catholic Democrats
… when applying Other Proportionate Reasons

Therefore, substituting and summarizing …

Faithful Catholic Democrats defend & support 100% Pro-Child-Abuse Candidates for Other Proportionate Reasons which fully complies with best practices of the Bishop Guidelines.

Wasn’t that reasoning something that nearly sent the Catholic church into bankruptcy when neglecting child abuse in the priesthood?

Won’t that reasoning be something that will tend toward sending America into bankruptcy when neglecting child abuse in our society?

Isn’t that typical of the Devil to suggest ideas that represent a good end via bad means … i.e., reduce abortion via social justice that neglects a baby’s rights … then making a total loss of proposition accepted?
 
wynnejj said:
Here is the indecipherable formula …

Given that all Catholic acknowledge …
Abortion = Child Abuse
Forming Conscience for Faithful Citizenship = Bishop’s Guidelines
Faithful Catholic Democrats exist within set of Catholic Democrats
… when applying Other Proportionate Reasons

Therefore, substituting and summarizing …

Faithful Catholic Democrats defend & support 100% Pro-Child-Abuse Candidates for Other Proportionate Reasons which fully complies with best practices of the Bishop Guidelines and Catholic Social Doctrine.

Wasn’t that reasoning something that nearly sent the Catholic church into bankruptcy when neglecting child abuse in the priesthood?

Won’t that reasoning be something that will tend toward sending America into bankruptcy when neglecting abortion in our public officials?

Isn’t that typical of the Devil to suggest ideas that represent a good end via bad means … i.e., reduce abortion via social justice that neglects a baby’s rights … then making a total loss of proposition accepted?
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It is a strange assertion indeed. That is " it is ok to support evil as long as you have convinced yourself your are not supporting evil".

Being from a family of cradle democrats going back four generation i understand where they are coming from-but they are dead wrong. At some point you have to realize the democrat party is not the democrat party of 50 years ago.
 
estesbob said:
It is a strange assertion indeed. That is " it is ok to support evil as long as you have convinced yourself your are not supporting evil".

Being from a family of cradle democrats going back four generation i understand where they are coming from-but they are dead wrong. At some point you have to realize the democrat party is not the democrat party of 50 years ago.
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And we finance our social programs while taking greater national debt neglecting private sector jobs outright or creating public sector jobs that further require more & more money from loans or private sector tax that fuels the social programs while strangling small businesses.

We borrow from foreign sources with our children’s future as collateral … taxing future generations without representation.

We kill our current generation thereby destroying the very collateral we offer to pay down national debt … killing children because they have no representation.

We strangle the sources of private revenue to pay off public debt with greater personal & corporate income taxes that ultimately act as an self-import tariff on domestic goods by increasing the price of production on the homefront. We consume foreign goods on the homefront thereby strengthening our foreign lenders to the detriment of American private industry because cost of production of domestic goods is so high due to income tax which requires increased wages - therefore, increased production costs. Therefore, we don’t buy our goods and foreigners don’t buy our goods.

Indecipherable formula established on an Ambiguous foundation relying Unsuccessfully on the cure of Social Justice (for the born, not unborn).
 
When the western democracies collapse because they weren’t careful about the proper mix of fuel to air, “me” to “we”, subsidiarity to solidarity, tax revenue to spend cost, etc… when we become the poor & vulnerable socialist democracies whose currency & national defenses are weak … then there will arise the need for a scapegoat … and what better than the “child abuse” candidate. Everybody hates a child abuser. Hardened criminals hate a child abuser.

Everybody hates moral leaders who cover-up child abuse as perceived policy.

When the western democracies collapse, rest assured, there will be scapegoat groups … and Catholics will be identified as the Child-Abuse Cover-Up group. Natural selection processes will reassert the age old formula that “Morality & Babies means Prosperity for Posterity”. But those who countenanced immorality & child abuse will be pariahs among non-believers and Christian believers as well. After all, weren’t we the worse of vipers & hypocrites? Didn’t we poison the well of Social Justice with our practice of social justice for the born only, neglecting the plight of the unborn?

Weren’t we the ones who blindly bowed our heads in the liturgy of the Mass and asserted for years that Jesus was Born and became Man before we caught our error and re-asserted the age-old Nicene Creed that Jesus was Incarnate and became Man?
 
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