Papal nuncio: Catholic division undermines religious freedom

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Cardinal Burke’s teachings on abortion are more binding on the faithful than any USCCB document.
Only if it makes it to the Vatican “supreme court” and there is a decision made, I would think. Meanwhile back at the ranch, the bishops each have their jurisdiction where their opinions rule where it does not openly conflict with the Magisterium. When Cardinal Burke makes an opinion, it is weighty indeed … no question being one chosen by the Vatican to interpret law. Yet, it is not binding … and more importantly, it is not infallible.
 
One thing is certain, we just re-elected the most pro-abortion president in American history. How many souls will be lost because of our choice? The innocent lives of the babies do not count; I do not believe God condemns innocent souls to eternal damnation, He will hold us accountable for that. But He does allow free will to choose to kill these innocents; those are the souls the enemy hopes for with wrenched hands.
The innocent lives of the babies represent a lost potential, the potential to make a free will offering to say “Yes” to Jesus as his Bride, the Church. True, innocent lives will never see eternal death, but will they see eternal life? Whatever, it will be good, but will it rise to the potential good reward of a free will offering of “Yes” to God. But it is true that the greatest tragedy in the act of abortion is the damage to the souls of those who actively participate. (BTW, excellent post.)
 
If we as a society continue to endorse those who continue the support of the right to choose death for innocents, we as a society will be lost.
There is no doubt about that…and that is what the Papal Nuncio is saying.

Today there is one party which makes it an integral part of their platform to support the right to choose death for innocents.
 
Is this the endless loop again? By your vote you would support a candidate who, by his every action, has proven he is **anti-life **in his speech and in his legislation. As the pope once said, the culture of death has risen against Christ Himself. It is chilling to me that society (especially Catholics) no longer have any fear of the Lord, and just as bad, would justify it by their subjective mindset that the killing of the unborn is secondary to the needs of the poor.
The Church must ALAWAY be subservient to ones political views if one buys the rationale of Obama Catholics.
 
When one accepts a platform that denies God’s children the right to life on the grounds that it is the property of the mother / mankind alone, one denounces God implicitly. The Dem platform is getting more open about that stance with its attack on the sanctity of life & marriage. The Dem platform openly professes this denunciation of God in the name of welfare & pluralism. It becomes difficult for many Catholics to discern this when the biblical passage about final judgement provides a litany of welfare / common goods requirements for the least of our brethren … without talking about the threat to the life of the least of our brethren. But the problem in these passages about final judgement and the sheep & goats is the word “You” … which can mean an individual or a group. Prior to Vatican II, I suspect that the interpretation tended more to personal responsibility rather than shared responsibility that was forced by law. So what do we have now? A platform that denounces God by attacks on the sanctity of life & marriage in the name of shared responsibility by force of law for the common good. I think the right choice is clear. Vote Pro-God / Life&Marriage.
 
The Dem platform is getting more open about that stance with its attack on the sanctity of life & marriage.
And where it will end…is anybody’s guess.

I read today that Washington State is about to remove the words, “bride”, “groom”, “man”, and “woman” from their marriage certificate because of the legalization of gay “marriage”.

It looks like it will be replaced with “spouse A” and “spouse B”.

Excuse me now while I go vomit.
 
It looks like it will be replaced with “spouse A” and “spouse B”.
With this ring, I, the party of the 1st part, do thee wed, the party of the 2nd part, to have & to hold until divorce do we part due to breach of contract or benefits run dry, whichever comes first. You may now engage in any form of PDA that you so choose. Now children watch & learn. (Or is it, the parents will now be asked to leave the room, so the children can watch & learn without parental control.)
 
When one accepts a platform that denies God’s children the right to life on the grounds that it is the property of the mother / mankind alone, one denounces God implicitly. The Dem platform is getting more open about that stance with its attack on the sanctity of life & marriage. The Dem platform openly professes this denunciation of God in the name of welfare & pluralism. It becomes difficult for many Catholics to discern this when the biblical passage about final judgement provides a litany of welfare / common goods requirements for the least of our brethren … without talking about the threat to the life of the least of our brethren. But the problem in these passages about final judgement and the sheep & goats is the word “You” … which can mean an individual or a group. Prior to Vatican II, I suspect that the interpretation tended more to personal responsibility rather than shared responsibility that was forced by law. So what do we have now? A platform that denounces God by attacks on the sanctity of life & marriage in the name of shared responsibility by force of law for the common good. I think the right choice is clear. Vote Pro-God / Life&Marriage.
Libertarian Party’s platform is even worse by your standards. Yet Ron Paul was the most pro-life, anti-war candidate.
 
Libertarian Party’s platform is even worse by your standards. Yet Ron Paul was the most pro-life, anti-war candidate.
The fact that a Ron Paul can run without party platform reprisal attests to the inaccuracy of your assertion. Minus the Ron Paul factor, you need to explain your position, instead of teasing.
 
Reading your post, it is clear that you do not mean the word “tantamount” = equivalent.
(Use the force, young Jedi. Don’t get pulled to the Dark Side. :D)
You are correct sir…thank you. So what word am I looking for? Is there something that sounds like that that means the opposite? This will now bug me like whoa.
 
You are correct sir…thank you. So what word am I looking for? Is there something that sounds like that that means the opposite? This will now bug me like whoa.
Paramount may fit the bill, but not exactly. It seems to be more superlative than comparative. I’m groping too.
 
Libertarian Party’s platform is even worse by your standards. Yet Ron Paul was the most pro-life, anti-war candidate.
Yet Ron Paul voted against banning sex selection abortions a few months ago. I know, I know its unconstitutional but that doesn’t change the fact that he isn’t as pro-life as say Santorum.
 
The fact that a Ron Paul can run without party platform reprisal attests to the inaccuracy of your assertion. Minus the Ron Paul factor, you need to explain your position, instead of teasing.
Ron Paul ran as a Libertarian Party candidate for president in 1988. The platform bothered me then as it resembled something right out of the Ayn Rand playbook but I voted for him anyway.

Does this answer your question?
Yet Ron Paul voted against banning sex selection abortions a few months ago. I know, I know its unconstitutional but that doesn’t change the fact that he isn’t as pro-life as say Santorum.
We can argue till the cows come home as to who is more pro-life but my point remains, party platforms are non-binding and no where on the ballot are you asked to vote on party platforms. Even signing a Norquist anti-tax hike agreement doesn’t bind a candidate but you have to give him credit for trying.
 
We can argue till the cows come home as to who is more pro-life but my point remains, party platforms are non-binding and no where on the ballot are you asked to vote on party platforms. Even signing a Norquist anti-tax hike agreement doesn’t bind a candidate but you have to give him credit for trying.
Is it your belief that Catholics should ignore the Democratic platform in regard to abortion?
 
Regardless, He was not talking about political persuasion of sheep & goats.
I don’t know if it’s a coincidence or not but “left” and “right” came as a result of the translation of the Latin sinister and dexter respectively, though it seems that most arguments here point to the elected Democrats as being more sinister because of their platform. Sort of a reversal of the sheep and goats, I think. 🤷
 
Is it your belief that Catholics should ignore the Democratic platform in regard to abortion?
I don’t think there is a theological basis one way or another to believe anything a candidate or party says. That said, the Republican platform does have more enticing language but then so do used car salesmen.

I guess the Republican Party will never appeal to the UK-born Polish Catholic immigrant in me so I will leave it at that. I’m done with the thread.
 
I don’t think there is a theological basis one way or another to believe anything a candidate or party says. That said, the Republican platform does have more enticing language but then so do used car salesmen.
And so you shun the Republican platform because you have this cyicism toward them…and you accept the democrat platform even though they follow through on all their isues regarding abortion-on-demand, infanticide, gay unions, HHS mandate, etc.

Do I have that right?
 
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