Papal nuncio: Catholic division undermines religious freedom

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With respect to religious liberty, I guess we’ll just have to wait to see how many Catholic and Evangelical institutions are forced to close down by the HHS, and what new binding regulations come from Ms. Sebelius to limit religious liberty, and how many bishops find themselves in jail for exercising freedom of religion.
 
seekerz said:
If politicians are not going to do anything about abortion, then why are people sometimes criticized for not supporting the one who mouth the right words against it? That’s kind of puzzling to me…
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wynnejj said:
There is the palpable smell of sulphur in this comment. When political candidates are trained forty years that the rock of abortion rights won’t budge because Christian society won’t budge to move it for always those other reasons … well, what’s a political candidate to do but budge on principles. I know that smell, it is the “Essence of Intrinsic Evil”, no doubt.
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Why do you always push the opposite side of the rock of abortion rights?

You know it has to be removed if we are going to get anywhere on social justice for the born.

Papal Nuncio says your arguments are an indecipherable formula based on an ambiguous foundation that unsuccessfully relies on the cure of social justice…
 
JimG said:
With respect to religious liberty, I guess we’ll just have to wait to see how many Catholic and Evangelical institutions are forced to close down by the HHS, and what new binding regulations come from Ms. Sebelius to limit religious liberty, and how many bishops find themselves in jail for exercising freedom of religion.
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Right. We’ll have to see how this all churns out as both sides lobby and appeal the courts. I still don’t understand how this is any different than paying taxes though. Why aren’t religious entities and/or citizens refusing to pay taxes on the grounds that the money goes to pay for ABCs and sterilizations.
 
Rence said:
Of course it’s very important.
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It is the most important. Abortion is intrinsically evil.
Rence said:
The Pope wouldn’t be the Pope if he approved of Obama’s stance on life issues.
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Correct.
Rence said:
Obama is very liberal, that’s for sure. But his plan for the poor, sick, elderly, disabled and young seem to be less troublesome than Romney’s plans for the poor, sick, elderly, disabled and young.
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That’s a cop-out. You have no idea if Romney’s administration would have hurt the poor, sick, elderly, and disabled. Someone mentioned that Catholic charities do more for those groups than the government ever could. And yet you voted for a zealous pro-abortion man who has an axe to grind with the Catholic Church. Boggles the mind. 🤷
Rence said:
The majority of people believe that Obama’s plans will cause less harm than Romney’s for all the citizens of this country.
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There’s no way to know that. Most of those same people also believe that abortion is a right.
Rence said:
However, most don’t believe he’s infringing on any religious institutions’ rights.
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Ha! Must be mass hypnosis.
Rence said:
I think the election would have had a different outcome if more people bought into the notion that their religious rights were being infringed upon.
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I think the election would have been different if more people had voted from an informed perspective instead of ignorance.
 
Mickey said:
It is the most important. Abortion is intrinsically evil.
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It doesn’t render all the other issues as insignificant. People are important after they are born as well. Perhaps some might forget about them once they are born, however I do not. I don’t believe it’s right to abandon them merely because, and after, they have been born.
Mickey said:
That’s a cop-out. You have no idea if Romney’s administration would have hurt the poor, sick, elderly, and disabled.
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You can consider my choice a copout of you wish, but the fact is, I didn’t buy into Romney and Ryan’s plan. That’s a simple fact. You don’t have to like it because you have your own vote. But I am sure entitled to it, just like you are.
Mickey said:
I think the election would have been different if more people had voted from an informed perspective instead of ignorance.
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The fact that they don’t agree with you doesn’t mean they’re ignorant. It means they don’t agree with you. Honestly, how does one function in life believing that everone who doesn’t agree with him/her is simply ignorant.
 
Mickey said:
Crash and burn.
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“In particular” still doesn’t mean “only”.

Like, “The price of groceries has gone up, in particular/especially meats”. That doesn’t mean ONLY meat prices went up. They all went up, even to note meat.

Now, if the Pope or Bishops as a whole would have said “ONLY”, well that would be a whole other story.
 
wynnejj said:
Why do you always push the opposite side of the rock of abortion rights?

You know it has to be removed if we are going to get anywhere on social justice for the born.

Papal Nuncio says your arguments are an indecipherable formula based on an ambiguous foundation that unsuccessfully relies on the cure of social justice…
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Wow, the Papal Nuncio knows me? 😉
Then he knows I’m a straight talker - no ambiguity if I can help it…
 
Rence said:
“In particular” still doesn’t mean “only”.
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It doesn’ need to say"only." That is a very weak argument. It is saying that abortion is an issue that carries the greatest weight…In particular…Distinctly greater extant.

The issue of abortion is of special importance…it stands out because of its intrinsic evil.

Crash and burn.
 
Rence said:
It doesn’t render all the other issues as insignificant. People are important after they are born as well. Perhaps some might forget about them once they are born, however I do not. I don’t believe it’s right to abandon them merely because, and after, they have been born.
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Don’t be silly.
After birth there are options. Charities…soup kitchens…assistance of all sorts. The child in the womb is choiceless and voiceless…murdered without recourse.
Rence said:
You can consider my choice a copout of you wish,
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Okay.
Rence said:
The fact that they don’t agree with you doesn’t mean they’re ignorant.
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55 million martyrs cry out for justice.
 
seekerz said:
Did you have the pleasure of meeting Mother Teresa?
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My pastor did.
seekerz said:
How do you know what she thought or what her voting inclinations or party affiliations were?
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You can rest assured she would not have supported a man who unapologetically and zealously supported abortion-on-demand, infanticide, Euthanasia, Planned Parenthood, and the HHS mandate.
 
Mickey said:
My pastor did.
You can rest assured she would not have supported a man who unapologetically and zealously supported abortion-on-demand, infanticide, Euthanasia, Planned Parenthood, and the HHS mandate.
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Mother Teresa lived in India, not the US. Surely, we don’t need to cross the globe imagine what attitude she would have had to Obama vis a vis abortion…what was her attitude to the Indian gov’t of the day?
 
I anticipate that religious freedom will be taken away gradually and stealthily. Those who object will be charaterized as unreasonable, but we will end up a great deal less free.
 
Mickey said:
Don’t be silly.
After birth there are options. Charities…soup kitchens…assistance of all sorts. The child in the womb is choiceless and voiceless…murdered without recourse.
Okay. 55 million martyrs cry out for justice.
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Even more, counting those who have already been born. They cry for justice too.
 
JimG said:
I anticipate that religious freedom will be taken away gradually and stealthily. Those who object will be characterized as unreasonable, but we will end up a great deal less free.
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On what basis do you anticipate this? What is religious freedom if not the liberty to believe and live in Christ? You see somebody taking that away against your will? Who has the power to do that? Nobody.

What I detect is the fear of persecution: i.e. having to undergo some discomfort or adverse effect because of identifying with Christ. If that is what it is, then the cure is to read the Gospels and the history of the Church - much more uplifting to the soul than fretting over tomorrows that may never come…
 
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