Papal Visit to Ireland unlikely after Gilmore Statement

[PJD1987]

**The organizer of the 2012 International Eucharistic Congress in Dublin fears the Irish government may have killed off any hope of Pope Benedict XVI visiting Ireland for the event.

The development follows a recent statement in the Irish Parliament in which the country’s foreign minister Eamon Gilmore said he had no intention of inviting the Pope to Ireland in 2012.**

catholicnewsagency.com/news/papal-visit-to-ireland-unlikely-after-gilmore-statement/

 

[BVM_1221]

**The organizer of the 2012 International Eucharistic Congress in Dublin fears the Irish government may have killed off any hope of Pope Benedict XVI visiting Ireland for the event.

The development follows a recent statement in the Irish Parliament in which the country’s foreign minister Eamon Gilmore said he had no intention of inviting the Pope to Ireland in 2012.**

catholicnewsagency.com/news/papal-visit-to-ireland-unlikely-after-gilmore-statement/

Sad and unfortunate, but QUITE understandable. Still, could the Pope attend anyhow, uninvited, if he paid his own way?:coffeeread:

 

[AnotherVoice]

This is just a snub to the Papacy and the Catholic Church; if my Pope is not welcome there, then I will not go there. I will take my tourist dollars elsewhere. I would also encourage the organizers of the Eucharistic Congress to move or cancel. They expected 25,000 tourists per day during the congress, move it to Scotland or Poland, in these depressed economic times any number of countries would welcome the Eucharistic Congress and the Pope. Ireland has proven that they don’t deserve our dollars.

 

[Yellow_Belle]

This is just a snub to the Papacy and the Catholic Church; if my Pope is not welcome there, then I will not go there. I will take my tourist dollars elsewhere. I would also encourage the organizers of the Eucharistic Congress to move or cancel. They expected 25,000 tourists per day during the congress, move it to Scotland or Poland, in these depressed economic times any number of countries would welcome the Eucharistic Congress and the Pope. Ireland has proven that they don’t deserve our dollars.

The Pope is as welcome as any tourist in Ireland, as long as he pays his own way and doesn’t expect the already hard-pressed Irish taxpayer to pick up the tab. We’re already paying the vast majority of the compensation due to victims of clerical sexual abuse in Church-run institutions.
And for the record, as Dr Vincent Twomey, a personal friend of the Pope, pointed out in today’s Irish Times, it’s not the State’s role to invite the Pope: that role properly belongs to the Irish hierarchy. The State has no responsibility for the running of the Eucharistic Congress.

As for moving the Congress…best of luck with that at this point. So maybe best to save those dollars for something more worthwhile…

 

[AnotherVoice]

The Pope is as welcome as any tourist in Ireland, as long as he pays his own way and doesn’t expect the already hard-pressed Irish taxpayer to pick up the tab. We’re already paying the vast majority of the compensation due to victims of clerical sexual abuse in Church-run institutions.
And for the record, as Dr Vincent Twomey, a personal friend of the Pope, pointed out in today’s Irish Times, it’s not the State’s role to invite the Pope: that role properly belongs to the Irish hierarchy. The State has no responsibility for the running of the Eucharistic Congress.

As for moving the Congress…best of luck with that at this point. So maybe best to save those dollars for something more worthwhile…

However, the Pope is not just any other tourist, he is the head of a state, with diplomatic privilege. There is a big difference between saying “he would be welcome as Pope if he paid his own way”, which was not said and saying “he is not invited”, which was clearly said. Please reread the article.

Statements that he could arrive as a private citizen ignore the fact that he could be subjected to detainment and questioning on any number issues because he was not there as a head of state with diplomatic privilege. There are clearly people in the Irish government that would be overjoyed at that; Prime Minister Enda Kenny comes to mind. I don’t know if the government would go that low, but it is something to think about.

You are probably correct that it is too late to move, perhaps some will consider not attending; but on the other hand the intense prayer may help Ireland.

 

[Yellow_Belle]

However, the Pope is not just any other tourist, he is the head of a state, with diplomatic privilege. There is a big difference between saying “he would be welcome as Pope if he paid his own way”, which was not said and saying “he is not invited”, which was clearly said. Please reread the article. **Read it yourself: "An invitation has not issued nor is one currently under active consideration,” means just that. It is not the State’s responsibility to invite the Pope to the Eucharistic Congress: it is the Irish Hierarchy’s. But what they seem to want is not to have to pay for it. **

Statements that he could arrive as a private citizen ignore the fact that he could be subjected to detainment and questioning on any number issues because he was not there as a head of state with diplomatic privilege. The Pope is a head of State no matter where he goes even when his visit is pastoral, private or he is going shopping in downtown Rome (another State). He maintains diplomatic privilege regardless of the status of his visit. There are clearly people in the Irish government that would be overjoyed at that; Prime Minister Enda Kenny comes to mind. I don’t know if the government would go that low, but it is something to think about.

You are probably correct that it is too late to move, perhaps some will consider not attending; but on the other hand the intense prayer may help Ireland.If the only reasons people would consider not attending are (a) the Irish government hasn’t issued an invitation to the Pope for a State visit (the only type within the Irish government’s remit), or (b) they don’t want to spend the money to attend, it doesn’t say much about the importance of the Eucharistic Congress to them in the first place.

 

[AnotherVoice]

Yellow_Belle:
You are free to support the Irish government as vigorously as you wish. The article reads "An invitation has not issued nor is one currently under active consideration”; to me that reads “not invited”. Even when you place it in bold, red letters it still reads not invited.

As I said in my first post, I consider this a snub to the Pope. I share Fr. Doran’s, the Secretary General of the Congress, disappointment in the statements of the Irish government.

I will not be visiting Ireland anytime soon.

 

[Yellow_Belle]

I will not be visiting Ireland anytime soon.

That is entirely your loss.

Personally, and assuming I live long enough, NOTHING would keep me away from the Eucharistic Congress. But clearly you have different priorities.

 

[saveusfromhell]

This is just a snub to the Papacy and the Catholic Church; if my Pope is not welcome there, then I will not go there. I will take my tourist dollars elsewhere. I would also encourage the organizers of the Eucharistic Congress to move or cancel. They expected 25,000 tourists per day during the congress, move it to Scotland or Poland, in these depressed economic times any number of countries would welcome the Eucharistic Congress and the Pope. Ireland has proven that they don’t deserve our dollars.

yes if armericans start making it know that they will not be visiting Ireland again because of it’s stance with the vatican the irish government would have to rethink their approach. perhaps you should contact the irish embassy, and in a polite fashion inform them of your position.
make no mistake about it the Irish government has made it clear that it does not want the pope to come

 

[Leegal]

So, there’s to be a congress that is only held every four years. This congress brings together Catholics from across the globe to pray and study the meaning of the Eucharist.

And the most known Catholic, who is Head of the Church, is not invited?

Makes absolutely no sense to me.

How can you have an event and study the meaning of the Eucharist without extending an invitation to the Pope, even if he were unable to attend for other reasons? If this is being done in some spirit of meaness on the part of the Irish government over the disagreement of the handling of abuse allegations in Ireland, does that not negate the whole purpose of the congress?

I think praying for Ireland at home is called for. The congress itself would be invalid to me because there’s a spirit of meaness or revenge. You cannot have a good event with a bad heart. Where’s the religion in all this?

 

[saveusfromhell]

So, there’s to be a congress that is only held every four years. This congress brings together Catholics from across the globe to pray and study the meaning of the Eucharist.

And the most known Catholic, who is Head of the Church, is not invited?

Makes absolutely no sense to me.

How can you have an event and study the meaning of the Eucharist without extending an invitation to the Pope, even if he were unable to attend for other reasons? If this is being done in some spirit of meaness on the part of the Irish government over the disagreement of the handling of abuse allegations in Ireland, does that not negate the whole purpose of the congress?

I think praying for Ireland at home is called for. The congress itself would be invalid to me because there’s a spirit of meaness or revenge. You cannot have a good event with a bad heart. Where’s the religion in all this?

eamon gilmore is an atheist

 

[BVM_1221]

eamon gilmore is an atheist

And your point is…? :coffeeread:

It may be that Gilmore (note that upper-case “G”) is a splinter in your eye. But you might be amazed at how many non-Atheists in Ireland support Gilmore. It’s all about this plank the Church shoved into their eyes.:sad_yes:

 

[saveusfromhell]

eamon gilmore is an atheist is a reply to the post before from leegal last line in his/her post where is religion in all this.

next thing to realise is i’m from Ireland. so i may know slightly more than you do. eamon gilmore is not a splinter in my eye, your jumping to conclusions.
i don’t agree with your analysis.
the plank the church shoved in his eye? care to eloborate
also please show where you got the claim how many non atheists agree with him.
God bless
ps
notice the capital G, unless its God BVM or Jesus i rarely bother with capitals as it’s a forum not meant as an insult just because the man is an atheist that would be silly

 

[irishpatrick]

The Pope is as welcome as any tourist in Ireland, as long as he pays his own way and doesn’t expect the already hard-pressed Irish taxpayer to pick up the tab. We’re already paying the vast majority of the compensation due to victims of clerical sexual abuse in Church-run institutions.
And for the record, as Dr Vincent Twomey, a personal friend of the Pope, pointed out in today’s Irish Times, it’s not the State’s role to invite the Pope: that role properly belongs to the Irish hierarchy. The State has no responsibility for the running of the Eucharistic Congress.

As for moving the Congress…best of luck with that at this point. So maybe best to save those dollars for something more worthwhile…

Inviting the Vicar of Christ to your nation during a time of crisis is not worthwhile? Interesting.

 

[BVM_1221]

Inviting the Vicar of Christ to your nation during a time of crisis is not worthwhile? Interesting.

And now for a different viewpoint…

irishcentral.com/news/Leading-Irish-priest-criticizes-Catholic-hierarchy-for-burying-its-head-in-the-sand-133320373.html

 

[saveusfromhell]

please that priest is calling for catholic women priests. the last pope made that an infallable teaching. so if the church changes that then it no longer believe’s the Holy Spirit leads the church in all infallable teachings, so all teachings of the church can be changed.
that is some pandora’s box to open.
I wonder how they decided he is a top irish priest, or what is a top irish priest

 

[BlueSapphire]

And now for a different viewpoint…

irishcentral.com/news/Leading-Irish-priest-criticizes-Catholic-hierarchy-for-burying-its-head-in-the-sand-133320373.html

The priest in that link you quoted is part of a dissident group of priests called 'The association of Catholic Priests. They are against the magisterium of the Church, and want women priests and marriage for SS couples! As Saveusfromhell already pointed out, those of us in Ireland know first hand what is going on in our Country.