Paradise and Satan

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Vince1022 said:
It may all tie in, but the reference to Satan does not, as Satan is not mentioned in Genesis. Right?
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Catholics rely on Divine Revelation as maintained by the Catholic Church. Catholicism teaches that Satan was originally an angel but irrevocably rejected God. This Satan tempted our first parent Adam according to Catholicism. What more can I say.🤷

Blessings,
granny

Basic Catholic teaching regarding Adam, Satan, Original Sin
is found in the
Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, ISBN: 1-57455-109-4
Paragraphs 355-421.
 
grannymh said:
Catholics rely on Divine Revelation as maintained by the Catholic Church. Catholicism teaches that Satan was originally an angel but irrevocably rejected God. This Satan tempted our first parent Adam according to Catholicism. What more can I say.🤷
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So you agree this is not in the Bible?🤷

If so, where does the Catholic Church teach this? 🤷

Thanks!
 
Vince1022 said:
So you agree this is not in the Bible?🤷

If so, where does the Catholic Church teach this? 🤷

Thanks!
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I agree with the Catholic teaching regarding Satan tempting Adam. The Catholic Church teaches this here…

Catholic teaching regarding Adam, Satan, Original Sin
is found in the
Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, ISBN: 1-57455-109-4
Paragraphs 355-421.
 
grannymh said:
I agree with the Catholic teaching regarding Satan tempting Adam. The Catholic Church teaches this here…

Catholic teaching regarding Adam, Satan, Original Sin
is found in the
Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, ISBN: 1-57455-109-4
Paragraphs 355-421.
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ok thanks.
 
Vince1022 said:
The Catholic Church, in many respects, does not use or condone the use of terms like “Hebrew Bible.” From a Christian perspective, all Scripture is for all Christians. The “Hebrew Bible” you refer to is also known as the “Old Testament”…is that right? If so, then they are not, according to Christian/Catholic understanding, best described as “Hebrew bible”…as they are Scripture…for all Christians…not just Hebrews.
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The facts are what they are, the Christians did not pen the Hebrew Bible.
They may have ascribed them to themselves and picked what they wanted to out of them, but in no way did Christians pen anything in the Hebrew Bible.
Calling the Hebrew bible the “Old Testament” is merely a prejorative declaration.
 
Man’s first sin

397 Man, tempted by the devil, let his trust in his Creator die in his heart and, abusing his freedom, disobeyed God’s command. This is what man’s first sin consisted of.278 All subsequent sin would be disobedience toward God and lack of trust in his goodness.

from my reading the angels existed before man. statement 397 make it clear for me anyway.

appreciate all the good posts.
 
StrawberryJam said:
Calling the Hebrew bible the “Old Testament” is merely a prejorative declaration.
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No it’s not. Objectively.

You or others may consider it such.

Similarly, some might consider it pejorative to call it the “Hebrew Scriptures” as all the Bible is claimed by Christians, and to suggest that part of it is only for Hebrews or Jews is pejorative.

There is no one best way to name the Scriptures that most Christians refer to as the “Old Testament”. The Catholic Church seems to prefer “Old Testament” vs. “Hebrew Scriptures” which is likely important to some. Meaning…look at any Magisterial document referring to Scripture. Do you find anywhere that the Old Testament is referred to by any other name? No.
 
w_stewart said:
Since it is not wrong, it is correct to interpret the serpent as Satan, right?
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Right.

It is interesting that in the middle of the Catechism section on Adam and Original Sin there are paragraphs which explain who Satan (or Devil) is and what powers he has.

Blessings,
granny

Basic Catholic teaching regarding Adam, Satan, and Original Sin
is found in the
Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, ISBN: 1-57455-109-4
Paragraphs 355-421.

The good news of Jesus Christ follows in Paragraph 422, etc.

One can put the word paragraph and its number in the Catechism’s search bar in link www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
Entering topics, like Adam, is also very useful.
 
I guess I’m more inclined to recognize that the father of lies (i.e. the serpent) was the one that tempted Eve, rather than a talking snake.

Vince, you made a dubious assertion that is not in accordance with Catholic teaching. My humble advice would be to let go of your pride, and go with the flow. You gain nothing by winning an argument.

Peace be with you.
 
The book of Wisdom quote is here:
" But by the envy of the devil, death entered the world, and they who are in his possession experience it. "
Wisdom 2:24

It was in the garden account that death entered the world.

To answer the original question, I always assumed that the garden was not in heaven, but it’s not something I’ve really considered.
 
OpenSource said:
I guess I’m more inclined to recognize that the father of lies (i.e. the serpent) was the one that tempted Eve, rather than a talking snake.

Vince, you made a dubious assertion that is not in accordance with Catholic teaching. My humble advice would be to let go of your pride, and go with the flow. You gain nothing by winning an argument.

Peace be with you.
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What pride am I guilty of? Thanks.
 
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