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Gorgias
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Close, but not quite correct. The design is perfect if the final outcome is perfect – not in the first place, but ultimately. Do humans attain to heaven and to perfection in God’s presence? Yep! There ya go – perfect outcome!No, the intent is not suffice. The design is only perfect if the outcome is perfect in the first place.
Theosis is a difficult concept to understand. Your response is one of the usual ones when folks first encounter the notion (I know that it certainly was mine, too!). My recommendation to you is that you read up on theosis…So you become God in Heaven? Then why God didn’t create Gods in the first place if it is possible to become God in Heaven?
Perfection is attainable, and the saints in heaven demonstrate that it is!We cannot obviously become perfect on our own, God has to perfect us in Heaven so how the plan could be perfect? Perfection in another word should be attainable if the plan is perfect.
What standard of proof are you requiring?The problem is that we cannot prove that we have potential to become perfect.
Says who? That isn’t a necessary condition!Moreover, we need to become perfect on our own.
Not at all. That He could doesn’t imply that He should, or even that it’s the best course of action.There is no point if God make us perfect after our death since He could do it in the first place.
Go back to your first statement: it’s about the outcome, not the current state. Creation isn’t the ‘outcome’… heaven is.The current state of creation is not perfect because we are not God.
‘Reasonable’ and ‘arbitrary’ aren’t opposites, nor are they mutually exclusive. Your standards aren’t self-evident, nor have you grounded them logically. Therefore, they’re arbitrary (and simply freely asserted). (I also believe them to be unreasonable, but that’s a different assertion…My standard is not arbitrary. My standard is reasonable.
Neither of these are problems. To your first point: what standard of evidence are you requiring for the demonstration that “we have potential to become perfect”?There is two problems here. You cannot show that we have potential to become perfect. The process of becoming perfect takes forever.
To your second point: it doesn’t take ‘forever’. If it did, then there would be no saints. Saints exist, and therefore, your point doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.