Parallellism between Mani and Muhammad

[Booklover]

jimmy85;2394111:

You are assuming the writer. In fact you don’t know for sure who wrote it and you believe it because it matches with your earlier believes. Your mind is programmed.

Even if you find a book written by Jesus (pbuh) himself, saying he is not God than just a human, you wont believe, because it doesn’t meet the condition ‘Catholicity’.

This is so funny! You claim that we are “programmed”! You’re the ones that can’t even think for yourselves. All you do all day is follow the rules that have been prepared for you.

You’re not even allowed to question any of the Islamic beliefs.

Do you think that you are free when you’re told how to dress, what to eat, what to drink, how to wipe yourselves when you go to the bathroom, which foot to step in first at the mosque or even the bathroom, how to have sex the Islamic way? You’re turned into nothing more than zombies or robots! Not to mention that you probably suffer from obssesive cumpulsive disorder as well!

Vickie

 

[Khalfan]

So what’s your problem? Does knowing the fact that the Quran came through Muhammad, make it valid or make any claim of his true?

Vickie

That doesn’t answer the question.

Quran does make claim of its truth. No one could disprove it ever. Quran is the evidence for his messengership. The message it contains is the evidence for the truth of God.

 

[Booklover]

That doesn’t answer the question.

Quran does make claim of its truth.

So because it claims to be the truth, it is!

No one could disprove it ever.

Baloney! The Quran is full of errors and contradictions.

Quran is the evidence for his messengership. The message it contains is the evidence for the truth of God.

Yes, of course, Muhammad claimed that God said in the Quran that Muhammad is a prophet! It’s official!

So by your estimation, anybody who claims to be a prophet is one! :hypno: All he has to do is write a book that says that he is a prophet, and bingo! he is!

Muhammad testified for the Quran and the Quran did the same for him.

You haven’t got a clue as to what “circular reasoning” is, do you?

Vickie

 

[Khalfan]

So because it claims to be the truth, it is!

Quran is open far all to disprove it.

Baloney! The Quran is full of errors and contradictions.

No one could ever prove one. That is the challenge of God for those who claim it be man maid.

Yes, of course, Muhammad claimed that God said in the Quran that Muhammad is a prophet! It’s official!

So by your estimation, anybody who claims to be a prophet is one! :hypno: All he has to do is write a book that says that he is a prophet, and bingo! he is!

Muhammad testified for the Quran and the Quran did the same for him.

You haven’t got a clue as to what “circular reasoning” is, do you?

Vickie

Qur’an is indeed the Word of God. Here are eight reasons.

1. Physical incapacity. The prophet was physically incapable to write the Qur’an. History has him as an unlettered man who could not write anything more than his own name. How could he write a book?
2. Sincerity. The prophet was morally constrained to tell the truth about the origin of the Qur’an. He was noted to be so honest and trustworthy that even his enemies called him al-Amin (the trustworthy). Moreover, he suffered persecution, refused offers to compromise, and maintained his message for a period of twenty-three years. Historians of religion have to conclude that he was sincere.
3. Psychology. The Qur’an speaks to the prophet, commands him, and even criticizes him. Such contents do not point to the prophet as the self-conscious author. On the other hand, the author declares himself to be the creator of the heavens and the earth.
4. History. The prophet was incapable of writing the Qur’an. The Qur’an details items of history which were not known to the prophet or his contemporaries. And independent studies confirm that the Qur’an was true in what it said.
5. Prophecy. The Qur’an speaks prophetically, detailing what the future holds. Then the future unfolds exactly as foretold. Who could author such a book?
6. Science. The Qur’an draws attention to a wide range of physical phenomena in order to teach moral lessons. The statements were not meant to teach science. Yet modern scientists are amazed at the accuracy of these statements. For example, the Qur’an said things about the growth and development of the human embryo which could not be studied without the use of a microscope. Dr. Keith Moore was professor and chairman of the Department of Anatomy at the University of Toronto. After reviewing the Qur’anic statements he said: ““I am amazed at the accuracy of these statements which were already made in the 7th century AD.”” Such knowledge in the Qur’an points to God as its source.
7. Consistency. The Qur’an challenges skeptics to find errors in it, which, if found, would disprove its divine claim. But no one has yet been able to point to a real error in it.
8. Inimitability. A unique feature of the Qur’an is that no one is able to produce a book that would match its beauty, eloquence and wisdom. The Qur’an itself challenges humankind to produce even a chapter like it. But no one has been able to do it.

These eight reasons together form a strong cumulative case in favor of the Qur’an’s divine origin. It proves the man who brought it is definitely a messenger of God.

 

[jimmy85]

It is because as much as we have bad Muslims, you have bad Christians.

There is no ‘Mulims Invades’ happening today. .

Naaa, there are only some genocides happening from time to time in Africa

 

[jimmy85]

jimmy85;2394111:

My question was ‘Who wrote Hebrews?’ And your answer is,

The book of the hebrews is a deutorocanonical book, we know for sure who wrote all the other books of the NT you dosent seem to care about taht but you put all your strengh to debunk one book.

besides if the church fahters knew who was the author of the book of the hebrews then the bible would ahve been made in the year 120 instead of in the thrid century.
the first church fahters that were living only some 30 years after the resurection of Jesus qouted all this books.
we have the writtings of the very same apostoles that were with Jesus. for me that is more acurate than the quran that came to speak about Jesus some 6 centurys later.

I want to ask you a question.
Do you think that you will go to hell if you stop defending Islam on this thread?

because I believe you dotn care whether I answer to your qeustions or not.
you just ask anotehr one, just to go agaisnt us.

 

[Khalfan]

Naaa, there are only some genocides happening from time to time in Africa

Africa? It is not invade. it is civil war.

 

[Khalfan]

Khalfan;2396383:

The book of the hebrews is a deutorocanonical book, we know for sure who wrote all the other books of the NT you dosent seem to care about taht but you put all your strengh to debunk one book.

besides if the church fahters knew who was the author of the book of the hebrews then the bible would ahve been made in the year 120 instead of in the thrid century.
the first church fahters that were living only some 30 years after the resurection of Jesus qouted all this books.
we have the writtings of the very same apostoles that were with Jesus. for me that is more acurate than the quran that came to speak about Jesus some 6 centurys later.

Why don’t you give the name of the writer?

I want to ask you a question.
Do you think that you will go to hell if you stop defending Islam on this thread?

because I believe you dotn care whether I answer to your qeustions or not.
you just ask anotehr one, just to go agaisnt us.

Now try to escape from my question.

 

[jimmy85]

Africa? It is not invade. it is civil war.

the musulm goverment is the one that is causing that

 

[jimmy85]

jimmy85;2397656:

Why don’t you give the name of the writer?
we doitn knwo those that prove mohamed to be right ? remeber something call the NT it is not only about the letter of the hebrews.
therefore I dotn see what does this ahs to do with anything

Now try to escape from my question.

the answer is that we dont knwo those that prove mohamed to be right ?
remeber something call the NT it is not only about the letter of the hebrews.
therefore I dotn see what does this has to do with anything.

It is pointless to debunk the letter of the hebrews
try to debunk the gospel instead,

Now answer my question please.

Do you think that you will go to hell if you stop defending Islam on this thread?

because I believe you dotn care whether I answer to your qeustions or not.

 

[Khalfan]

the musulm goverment is the one that is causing that

And you call it a muslim invade?!!

 

[Verisimilitude]

Quran is open far all to disprove it.

It has been disproven though you fail to recognize the proofs.

No one could ever prove one. That is the challenge of God for those who claim it be man maid.

See above, and God will indeed rise to the challenge.

Qur’an is indeed the Word of God. Here are eight reasons.

The identity of the god of the Qur’an is in question.

1. Physical incapacity. The prophet was physically incapable to write the Qur’an. History has him as an unlettered man who could not write anything more than his own name. How could he write a book?

How does this prove it is of God. Muhammedans also believe in other spirits such as the Jinn and Satan.

1. Sincerity. The prophet was morally constrained to tell the truth about the origin of the Qur’an. He was noted to be so honest and trustworthy that even his enemies called him al-Amin (the trustworthy). Moreover, he suffered persecution, refused offers to compromise, and maintained his message for a period of twenty-three years. Historians of religion have to conclude that he was sincere.

I agree, Muhammad was sincere, but if he was fooled by a demon, being sincere about it does not make it sacred.

1. Psychology. The Qur’an speaks to the prophet, commands him, and even criticizes him. Such contents do not point to the prophet as the self-conscious author. On the other hand, the author declares himself to be the creator of the heavens and the earth.

Who is the author: allah, Gabriel, or Muhammad? Show me where in the Qur’an where the spirit speaking to Muhammad says he is Gabriel.

1. History. The prophet was incapable of writing the Qur’an. The Qur’an details items of history which were not known to the prophet or his contemporaries. And independent studies confirm that the Qur’an was true in what it said.

The are many more reputable studies that conclude very differnet that Koranic history and science is wrong.

1. Prophecy. The Qur’an speaks prophetically, detailing what the future holds. Then the future unfolds exactly as foretold. Who could author such a book?

A demon possibly, Satan most likely.

1. Science. The Qur’an draws attention to a wide range of physical phenomena in order to teach moral lessons. The statements were not meant to teach science. Yet modern scientists are amazed at the accuracy of these statements. For example, the Qur’an said things about the growth and development of the human embryo which could not be studied without the use of a microscope. Dr. Keith Moore was professor and chairman of the Department of Anatomy at the University of Toronto. After reviewing the Qur’anic statements he said: ““I am amazed at the accuracy of these statements which were already made in the 7th century AD.”” Such knowledge in the Qur’an points to God as its source.

The weakest argument by far.

1. Consistency. The Qur’an challenges skeptics to find errors in it, which, if found, would disprove its divine claim. But no one has yet been able to point to a real error in it.

Oops, spoke too soon. This is the weakest argument by far.

1. Inimitability. A unique feature of the Qur’an is that no one is able to produce a book that would match its beauty, eloquence and wisdom. The Qur’an itself challenges humankind to produce even a chapter like it. But no one has been able to do it.

Another weak argument. Read the first 50 pages the Silmarillion. It is even better than the Koran in all your stated attributes of beauty, eloquence and wisdom. The biggest difference is it is found in the fantasy section of a library where the Qur’an should be.

These eight reasons together form a strong cumulative case in favor of the Qur’an’s divine origin. It proves the man who brought it is definitely a messenger of God.

You have yet to prove the god of Islam, Allah, is the God of Abraham.

 

[jimmy85]

And you call it a muslim invade?!!

the entire goverment is muslims and tehya re killign non muslism.

raping women and covnerting i mean brainwashign cahtolics and african traditionist to become muslims agiasnt their will. Only yhe non muslism are the one that are being rape and kill.

 

[Khalfan]

Khalfan;2397711:

the answer is that we dont knwo those that prove mohamed to be right ?
remeber something call the NT it is not only about the letter of the hebrews.
therefore I dotn see what does this has to do with anything.

It is pointless to debunk the letter of the hebrews
try to debunk the gospel instead,

Now answer my question please.

Do you think that you will go to hell if you stop defending Islam on this thread?

because I believe you dotn care whether I answer to your qeustions or not.

No name yet.

Gospel.

Who wrote Mark 16:9-20?

I will go from this forum after clearing your misconception about Islam and Christianity as much as possible.

 

[jimmy85]

jimmy85;2397774:

No name yet.

Gospel.

Who wrote Mark 16:9-20?

I will go from this forum after clearing your misconception about Islam and Christianity as much as possible.

I need an answer in order to keep talkign to u pal, otherwise it is nonsense to keep talking.

If you dotn answer me in your next post I will believe you have fear to answer me and I wont reply to u again unles you answer the easy question I made.

If you dotn answer this you must be brainwashed and I dont wanna waste my time talkign to a rbainwashed person if u dotn answer.

Do you think that you will go to hell if you stop defending Islam on this thread?

 

[Booklover]

Another weak argument. Read the first 50 pages the Silmarillion. It is even better than the Koran in all your stated attributes of beauty, eloquence and wisdom. The biggest difference is it is found in the fantasy section of a library where the Qur’an should be.

:extrahappy:

Vickie

 

[Khalfan]

It has been disproven though you fail to recognize the proofs.

1400 year old claim. But not true.

See above, and God will indeed rise to the challenge.

You will see it one day.

The identity of the god of the Qur’an is in question.

Not at all. It is the same God Jesus (pbuh) mentioned,

John 20:17Jesus said, …'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."

How does this prove it is of God. Muhammedans also believe in other spirits such as the Jinn and Satan.

All that are creations of God. The language of Quran says who it is belong to.

I agree, Muhammad was sincere, but if he was fooled by a demon, being sincere about it does not make it sacred.

Demon won’t demand good deeds from people.

Who is the author: allah, Gabriel, or Muhammad? Show me where in the Qur’an where the spirit speaking to Muhammad says he is Gabriel.

The author of the message is God. Gabriel (as) was the carrier only. God claimed the authorship many times.

055.001 Most Gracious!

055.002 It is He Who has taught the Qur’an.

The are many more reputable studies that conclude very differnet that Koranic history and science is wrong.

Tell me one.

A demon possibly, Satan most likely.

Were the prophecies in Bible given by Demons?

The weakest argument by far.

All signs are for those men of understanding. May be you are not one of them.

Oops, spoke too soon. This is the weakest argument by far.

The challenge is to you too.

Another weak argument. Read the first 50 pages the Silmarillion. It is even better than the Koran in all your stated attributes of beauty, eloquence and wisdom. The biggest difference is it is found in the fantasy section of a library where the Qur’an should be.

It is already done. No book could ever come even close to its beauty.

You have yet to prove the god of Islam, Allah, is the God of Abraham.

That too is already done. 12 billion already accepted. Islam is the fastest growing religion in Europian countries.

 

[Khalfan]

I need an answer in order to keep talkign to u pal, otherwise it is nonsense to keep talking.

If you dotn answer me in your next post I will believe you have fear to answer me and I wont reply to u again unles you answer the easy question I made.

If you dotn answer this you must be brainwashed and I dont wanna waste my time talkign to a rbainwashed person if u dotn answer.

Do you think that you will go to hell if you stop defending Islam on this thread?

I do think I am responsible to defend my faith infront of allegations i hear about it.

Now you answer my first and second question.

Who wrote Hebrews?

Who wrote Mark 16:9-20?

 

[exoflare]

jimmy85;2397802:

I do think I am responsible to defend my faith infront of allegations i hear about it.

So do it already. All I’ve seen are subjective evaluations of “beauty” and various other diversionary tactics.

Now you answer my first and second question.

Who wrote Hebrews?

Who wrote Mark 16:9-20?

LOL somebody must have told you already they don’t know for sure. Please explain how this is even important? You keep bringing this up like it’s some kind of damning evidence. What is known for sure (and actually important) is that the contents of those books were confirmed as reliable teaching by the chosen authority Jesus selected in the Church. This point of yours is just another red herring, like when you keep mentioning that Mo was illiterate (which doesn’t matter because he dictated to other people what to write).

 

[Khalfan]

Khalfan;2397913:

So do it already. All I’ve seen are subjective evaluations of “beauty” and various other diversionary tactics.

That beauty of the original (among 1000 ugly) will last forever.

LOL somebody must have told you already they don’t know for sure. Please explain how this is even important? You keep bringing this up like it’s some kind of damning evidence. What is known for sure (and actually important) is that the contents of those books were confirmed as reliable teaching by the chosen authority Jesus selected in the Church. This point of yours is just another red herring, like when you keep mentioning that Mo was illiterate (which doesn’t matter because he dictated to other people what to write).

You are believing in something, you don’t know where you got from. Thats make it important to know who and when wrote it.

Do you have an answer for those question? just anything for the sake of argument?