Parent's divorce: My position

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Hi All;

I would value some (name removed by moderator)ut on this situation. My question is whether my choice of position could be called moral and Christian.

My wife and I have had very little ‘emotional’ support from my parents and brother. My younger brother receives/received a lot of attention prior to and during our wedding to the point that I felt like an outsider at my own wedding. I’m being blunt but there is little point mincing words- he is lazy, work shy and intellectually unambitious. He ‘fiegns faith’ in public but I know from discreetly observing him on FB that his private social life is far from the squeeky clean impression he gives. My parents are not practicing, although do believe. My decision to enter the faith was my own, in early teenage years.

We are always undermined; whenever we share some news, etc, we are interrupted by parents who change the subject to my brother- or he does this himself. Yet, both are critical of his behavior in life? My mother especially.

My mother was diagnosed with mental health issues 6 years ago and hospitalized, initially for a 3-4 week period. She was then in-and-out of hospital.
It seems the whole process began due to ill-placed medication for an unrelated condition. She was super-sensitive and it caused mental health problems, which probably did stem from some depression around the menopause and the death of a family member.

Since then she has come-off all medication. However my parents relationship has been terrible. They have been leaving separately within the house, and my father and brother moved out a couple of weeks ago after tensions have been very high. They both speak to me separately and I hear a different story from both sides. I try to stay neutral. My father thinks she is mentally ill, and uses the ‘I am going to put you back in hospital’ card in arguments- while telling me he doesn’t want her there, but thinks it’s for the best. My mother, in contrast, while stressed and irritable, does not seem ill to speak to. It seems that their marriage is suffering, and she has been unhappy for many years with her lot in life.

Due to the hostile environment I have not seen my mother since last Aug. I chose not to visit at Christmas since the environment in the house was so difficult, and that they could not even be in the same room together. Also it would be another Christmas ‘all about them’ in only the second year of our marriage. The final straw was when my father told me she had gone to court to take out an action to have them both thrown out of the house, as she stated they were abusive.

I am trying not to get emotionally involved with them. Our marriage has been getting stronger since we both came into full communion with the church and we are both practicing. We live a long drive from my family, so there is no immediate pressure to visit.

Generally, I live each day without this occupying my mind. I think my wife thinks I would think about it more- as she is clsoe to her family- but honestly, I don’t.
However I am getting drawn in as my father has, quite casually (as I think he gets the impression “I’ll just understand”) announced that my mother has filed for divorce and she has accepted.
She didn’t tell me this, and I kind of forced this out of her. I tried to talk her out of it…to a point…but then stepped back and realized I didn’t want to be involved.

I see her as quite selfish. My father is a generous, kind person, but can be too laid back during times when he should step up. He is far to accomodating of my brother, and sides for him when he feels my mother is being mean. He has described her to her face as a ‘bad mother’ because of this. Also in court, he stated that I didn’t want to speak to my mother and therefore brought me into this process despite my stating I was neutral. I merely said I didn’t call her as it ended up being an hour of her berating my father, and getting wound-up and stressed.

Now my father wants me to see his current home, almost proudly- he seems to like being on his own (well, with my brother) without the responsibility. This seems, sadly, to sum up a marriage where I think he hasn’t had to do much. He has taken care of her financially, and works very, very hard. But I think he thinks it stops there.

Her protestations are that he has not been a ‘friend’ to her when she needed him these last few years. She sees it as his fault she ended up in hospital- and she cites this experience as being truly awful. She feels emotionally abused and unappreciated and especially angry that my father dismisses their arguments as attributed to her being mentally ill. They have had to call the police numerous times- athough I don’t think there has been any real violence.
 
They both have deep faults- I think neither, honestly, were truly compatible in marriage. My gut feel is that my father thought that if he was decent and providing, that is what it meant to be a good husband. My mother seems to be quite selfish- borne out in how my wife and I feel about their treatment and disrespect to us as a couple (my wife, by the way, is a daughter-in law that dreams are made of!); she has actually said to me that she wished she had followed her dream to be a flight attendant- to which I said- well, I wouldn’t have been born. She more or less said “nevermind”. I know she loves me- this was just insensitive- but I couldn’t hand-on-heart say that this is a mother who is pleased with her life choices.

I honestly want to put distance between us, especially since we could have children at any time, and there is no way I want to put them through the kind of mistreatment we have had or that broken relationship. Whenever I have contact with them, I get annoyed by something. And this spills over into our relationship as I become grouchy. Almost every time we used to visit them, we’d come away fuming. Especially over things said about our wedding, or the endless parading of my brother.

I want to be Christian- and I don’t know how literally to take the honor-your parents commandment in all this. Surely I have a duty to my wife and future children above this and I should ‘honor’ them by not allowing them to damage my relationship
 
“Honour your mother and father” does not mean that you have to be all up in your parents’ business as an adult. Right now, as a husband and father, your first duty is indeed to your family. Your parents have their own problems to deal with. More than likely, based on what you have said, they will need professional help to deal with them. I suggest that if dealing with your parents is getting to a point where it’s starting to interfere in your marriage, you might see about “taking a break” from contact with them. You can, of course, still continue to pray for them. In fact, this might be better simply because they may be required to recognize that they need additional support from professionals to deal with their situation. In this way, IMHO, you can still honour them while providing for your family, which is your primary responsibility.
 
Hi nr,

I agree with His_helpmeet’s post.

I also think that your brother and your parents will be unable to give you and your wife any kind of emotional support in your marriage, due to what is happening in your family, as they seem to be focused on what is happening there. I would not expect anything from them in that way.

I would keep my distance from them if you find that you are becoming too emotionally invested in all of their problems, and if you find that it is affecting your own mental health.

I do not think that you are doing anything wrong morally. You still love all of them, but you also need your own peace of mind.

Your marriage and your wife come first now.
 
Thanks for the replies so far. I’m just not sure what action to take to lay down how I feel…

I have been quiet and just not calling, etc. But then there comes a time when I have left it and left it, and I call for ‘an update’ or just to see if everyone is still breathing or because they don’t tell me much. When she was hospitalized, my Dad didn’t tell me- he said he didn’t want to worry me/us since we live farther away and didn’t see the point.

Anyways- today I got a call- which is quite rare…but usually it has some motive for them, and this was no exception. My Dad calls to ask a question about a second-hand car he is thinking of buying for my brother. He then goes on to tell me about how well he is doing in his new job, etc. Also to probe about when we are coming to see him and his new house? I said- well I would have to see my mother, too, at some point, since it has been almost a year. He said- 'Yes, I suppose…well, you can see us both. See us first, then go and see her."

This has left me really riled again. He also didn’t ask if ‘we’ were ok. Both parents treat us singularly. We are so different to them- but no different to any other ‘normal’ married couple. I think my parents are so used to living separate lives that they think everyone is like this. They both like their independence, - although my mother doesn’t seem to like the fact that she thinks my father has had too much independence.

It seemed the call was just to probe/remind us to come and see him- and to tell me all the wonderful news about my brother. He knows I don’t speak to him, since due to a monumentally (series) of selfish acts on my brother’s part, we no longer speak. I think I am seen as ‘unreasonable’ since I should share the backward-bending understanding attitude they (my father especially) have against my brother.

I just wanted to say on the 'phone today- “No, I don’t feel like coming up and pretending everything is normal, and to sit through listening to how happy you are living like a batchelor or an innocent party…” It feels like, by being there, we condone it…(reminds me of Catholics attending a gay wedding…!)

I know I need to put down some distance. Just not sure how to go about it, since I get this probing every now and then and end up making lame excuses…
 
I know I need to put down some distance. Just not sure how to go about it, since I get this probing every now and then and end up making lame excuses…
You could tell them the truth.

I don’t know if that would make a difference to how they behave, but maybe it would for you: ending this dance that you have been doing for years. Are you willing to deal with the consequences of such a move?

Or you could carry on like this: maintaining the distance, not taking sides, being civil to everybody. Nothing wrong with that.
 
It’s just that civility seems to put us in a situation where we are feeling awkward and talked-down to. Above all, I always feel disrespected. They always ignore my wishes or feelings. This is my primary concern when it comes to having children (God willing).

I thought this might be pride; but I think civility is, as you put- dancing a dance.

For example, both my wife and I agreed on a likely scenario where she has just given birth to our child, and I say to my Dad- I do not want my brother to come to the hospital (for reasons that we don’t speak- despite him (brother) thinking he has done nothing wrong, and because all the attention would be on ‘the new uncle’. However, I am sure that I would be over-ruled and he would bring him anyway, because ‘it’s nice’ or ‘he’ll feel left out’.

This is hypothetical- but we do sincerely hope to be blessed with children, of course!
 
Thanks everyone for your advice. Monicad, I think you really nailed it in making me realize that I expect way too much! Acting surprised when they act the same is just evidence of being trapped in a pattern which I need to escape from.

I just need to figure out how to bring this up. I really don’t want to continue down this path as I just don’t see anything changing.
 
May I suggest a novena? That always helps me. Put this family problem as your intention and seek guidance. I personally love the novena to Mary Un-doer of Knots. It sounds like you have a few knots in your life that need undoing. Maybe this will help you move forward.
 
My DH comes from a very disfunctional family. It took him many years to get to the point where he’s at now…and they were painful years. Now he has NO expectations of either of his parents (they divorced when he was a teenager). He calls them each about once a month to “check in”…actually with his dad it’s fine, with his mother if she starts to get out of line he just draws the conversation to an end and says goodbye. We basically only see them at Christmas (they both come to our home for Christmas day each year), and perhaps a couple times during the year is there is a family reunion, wedding, etc. They are not invited to religious celebrations such as First Communions, etc. (neither are Catholic or members of any church).

Talk to your wife and figure out what parameters the two of you can tolerate, and stick to those. Your responsibility is to take care of your wife and future children, and be respectful of your parents. In this circumstance, if you contact occasionally, wish them well, pray for them…you are doing your duty as a son. I would also go to Confession and work on forgiving your brother. That doesn’t mean you are suddenly going to “like” him…you probably never will like him. But you have to love him. That means you wish him well, pray for him, and be decent to him when you are together. (of course, if he did something truly evil, then you are certainly able to have a no contact rule with him). It will be freeing to you if you can forgive, not expect anything different from them in the future, and put them in a small parameter of your life…leaving the “big” area for your wife and your children to come.

Good luck to you.
 
Bearing in mind the need to be respectful to parents (Pax2U’s post), I just made a call to my mother to enquirie how she was. Also taking on the comment about ending the call if she starts to get out of line…

She is very secretive, thinking I go telling my Dad what she is doing or saying (I don’t). She thinks everyone is against her. Because of her unexpected court action against my father, we didn’t visit at Christmas (I noted this earlier). She brought this up today, then went on a tirade of abuse about us not seeing her- I tried to point out why (the court action) and she then went on to should and yell about my father, to the point she said she was going to make him suffer, and he was ‘dead’… language I’ve never heard before.

I tried to interject saying that if that was her attitude, then it’s no wonder we haven’t seen her, and she shouldn’t expect anything to do with us (I’m bewildered she is ‘happy’ to go down this route given she could have grandchildren any day and you’d think she would want to settle into a more routine lifestyle and be more mindful of her winder family). It got heated and I said ‘you can both go to hell’ if you’re going to do this…

I feel terrible- but not sure if she heard me. I said it in the heat of the moment. I said I was fed up hearing this and I would have to hang-up; she said ‘BYE!’ and hung-up on me. I was tempted to call back, but this angered me… I wasn’t about to grovel - she really upset me with her rant and her complete disregard for me, my wife, the larger family- the fact that I’m her son and yet she speaks this way about her father, and also claims my wife is taking sides (my wife actually wants no part in this at all).

Now I’ve been brought to tears thinking I have committed a mortal sin in disobeying commandment to honor your parents, and so frustrated with myself that I have allowed her to infect my relationship with God in some way and my…until now…heightened sense of faith and sanctifying grace. I plan to raise this at confession next but wasn’t planning on committing any mortal sins (!) and so I’m now in a quandry about whether this constitutes an occasion where I should go straightaway or if my outburst, in the heat of the moment, was a venial sin only (for which I have already asked forgiveness with a completely contrite heart).

Thanks everyone for your support so far.
 
I’m sorry the conversation ended like that. But sometimes things simply get out of control and we react like you did - in the heat of the moment,We say things we don’t really mean.

Perhaps you could send her a note and say you are sorry you told her to go to hell, but that you are seriously upset and have been for a very long time because of her behaviour and words.

And if your conscience is too troubled by this, I suggest you go to confession as soon as you can and get it out of your system. Even if you have not committed a mortal sin (and I don’t think you have), it is best to confess it and move on.
 
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