Parents of boy, 10, suspended for pretending to fire pretend bow and arrow want record cleared

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JonNC said:
I beg your pardon. I teach children in public school, and I would not have even reported it.
The idiots seem to be the ones who vote for a guy like your current governor, legislators such as found in Albany, and mayors such as the exiting and entering ones in NYC.
Maybe if NY voted for better leaders, they would get better school administrators.
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If you are not among the educators who are proponents of such preposterous rules, then you are not in that category

And by the way, I didn’t vote for Cuomo, Bloomberg, or DeBlasio.
 
DeniseNY said:
If you are not among the educators who are proponents of such preposterous rules, then you are not in that category

And by the way, I didn’t vote for Cuomo, Bloomberg, or DeBlasio.
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Most educators are against policies like this. Walk into any school and ask the teachers what they think about dealing with silly issues like this when they are trying to control an overcrowded classroom and effectively teach a lesson. They’ll scoff.

Actually, the people who are most against zero tolerance policies and those ridiculous common core standards that I’ve met are all teachers.

There’s a huge disconnect between the people in the classrooms and the people making education policy. Kind of like the big disconnect between the pentagon and the average Private or Airman, or the disconnect between the Walmart CEO and the average cashier.
 
Book_Worm said:
Nice! Very loving Christian sentiment toward those who sacrifice much to teach our children.

And It’s not a teacher but the administration of the school that suspends a child.
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Perhaps if people were more concerned with what goes on in the schools we pay for (and I do not even use) rather than policing sweetness on internet message boards, we wouldn’t have people suspending our children for use an air bow. These kinds of people are a threat to every child’s welfare, frankly.
 
DeniseNY said:
If you are not among the educators who are proponents of such preposterous rules, then you are not in that category

And by the way, I didn’t vote for Cuomo, Bloomberg, or DeBlasio.
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The statement " our children are being taught by idiots" was a blanket statement. But the fact is in NY there is a culture of anti-freedom when regarding the individual right to keep and bear arms. That culture will infest the public schools. There is the cause, not necessarily teachers.

Jon
 
Acutally, this story happened in Pennsylvania so I’m not quite sure what NY has to do with it (other than the fact that you took offense to my statement and want to shift blame for their idiotic rules on me)
 
BlueEyedLady said:
Not true, unfortunately.

This is one of the reason that so many young teachers leave the profession so quickly. They end up disenchanted by all of the bureaucracy that keeps them from doing what they gave up so much to do…teach!

My BIL (devout conservative Catholic, if it makes any difference) is a teacher and had to report a girl for having a “weapon” in his class last year. The “weapon” was a nail clipper. Of course he didn’t want to do this, of course he thought it was stupid, and of course he saw this as only hurting one of his students who needed to be in school the most. But, had he not reported it and someone found out that this girl had nail clippers, he could have lost his job, or worse. “Mandatory reporters” don’t just have to report child abuse, they have to report “weapons” and “violence”, among other things. Now fortunately, the school let her off with a warning after having a nice long meeting with her parents.

I would have loved to be a teacher, and I think I would have been very good at it, but things like this scared me away. (And the job insecurity, low pay, and general thanklessness of such a hard job).

Things like this are so crazy to me. I grew up in a rural area. I and everyone else I knew grew up with real guns and real bows and arrows, and we knew how to use them. I even missed a few days of school every year for deer hunting, and I wasn’t the only one, many kids did! And during school, we loved to chase each other around and pretend that sticks we found on the ground were guns. I’m not sure I would have made it out of elementary school if we had had all of these kinds of policies. 😦
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Charitably, I say that I do not admire your BIL for what he did. He allowed a completely illogical and silly report to go through so that he could keep the job he wanted.

Seems to me to be a double-standard: “I love teaching kids and helping them grow! In fact, I love it so much that if one of them brings something like a nail-clippers to a school, I’ll throw 'em right under the bus and let that go on their permanent record because I love them so much!”

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If young people are being turned off to teaching by having to make these kinds of silly choices, so much the better, I say.
 
Lochias said:
if one of them brings something like a nail-clippers to a school, I’ll throw 'em right under the bus and let that go on their permanent record because I love them so much!"

If young people are being turned off to teaching by having to make these kinds of silly choices, so much the better, I say.
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Let’s not forget the infamous Pop Tart gun incident.
 
DeniseNY said:
Let’s not forget the infamous Pop Tart gun incident.
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That, too. I’m not sorry to say that, if a teacher thinks that they have a personal responsibility to report a Pop-Tart, nail clippers or an imaginary bow-and-arrow as an “incident”, I’m of the opinion that the teacher in question really need not be teaching children at all.
 
JonNC said:
I beg your pardon. I teach children in public school, and I would not have even reported it.
The idiots seem to be the ones who vote for a guy like your current governor, legislators such as found in Albany, and mayors such as the exiting and entering ones in NYC.
Maybe if NY voted for better leaders, they would get better school administrators.
Jon
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The student was in Southern York County, PA. He is part of South Eastern School District, which is just north of the Maryland line, west of 83, and south of the Red Lion School District.

The individual that reported this incident to the principal was the 5th grade teacher. The principal then threatened the mother with expulsion.

It should have stopped with the teacher. “Knock it off” Should have ended it.
 
DeniseNY said:
Acutally, this story happened in Pennsylvania so I’m not quite sure what NY has to do with it (other than the fact that you took offense to my statement and want to shift blame for their idiotic rules on me)
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I didn’t blame you for a darn thing, other than a blanket statement. Check back in my posts. I blamed the idiots who voted for your governor, mayor, legislature (Pa. isn’t much better), and the culture of anti-freedom they represent.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
I didn’t blame you for a darn thing, other than a blanket statement. Check back in my posts. I blamed the idiots who voted for your governor, mayor, legislature (Pa. isn’t much better), and the culture of anti-freedom they represent.

Jon
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Thanks, but I’ll pass. The comment didn’t make sense the first time you said it, and it doesn’t make sense now.

But, even though I live in the state of NY and you called the people of NY “idots” for voting for them, I’m not so thin skinned that I’m going to be bothered by that blanket statement.
 
DeniseNY said:
Thanks, but I’ll pass. The comment didn’t make sense the first time you said it, and it doesn’t make sense now.

But, even though I live in the state of NY and you called the people of NY “idots” for voting for them, I’m not so thin skinned that I’m going to be bothered by that blanket statement.
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Read it again. I only spoke if those who voted for them. I lived in NY for a while. I know there are some smart people there and in Pa where I was raised, smart people who find it ridiculous to punish innocent children’s play.

Jon
 
I find this statement to be true, and though a little off-topic, I want to tie it back to the topic of excessive focus on maintaining order while not freeing teachers to actually teach:
China123 said:
Point is, many of the schools have changed. They are not teaching what I find is important or good. My son went backwards in math and science when I put him in the Charter school. They are more concerned with fitting our kids into a perscribed box than in educating.
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We have our oldest in the parish school while the youngest stays home with mom. This is very much a sacrifice for us as we’re on one income and my company keeps blaming this chaotic intangible thing called “The Economy” for not giving us raises. But I think it necessary because the public school kids just don’t get ahead. Our local district (Mehlville) was recently featured in national news, and unfairly, because we objected to taking ~1,000 kids from unaccredited schools. Our concerns about finance (the failed school district is expected to be bankrupt by February but Mehlville still has to take the kids even if the failed district can’t pay tuition) were trod over with accusations of racism. Meanwhile, cuts are being suggested locally to gifted and honors programs, and things like AP math and science are on the cutting block again. Why? Because the core curriculum and testing standards require success at the middle without rewarding excellence at the top. It almost seems preferred that 95% of a high school go to community college or trade school, than to have 50% go to 4-year-school, 25% to trade school, 25% to the work force. I want my kids to go to grad school - I think it’ll be necessary by the time they enter the work force to get a job that will allow them to care for their families. That’s where we’re going - last week we hired an MBA with 3 years experience into an entry-level post that pays ~$24k.

Yes, I want order in the classroom. But I also know that 4th graders act like 4th graders and 10-year-old boys make guns out of everything from pop tarts to cheetos to biology papers to their fingers, and the emphasis on giving best education has nothing to do with punishing that behavior more severely, but much more to do with telling parents to keep the TV, XBOX, Pokemon cards and mobile devices away until the weekend and pull out the homework on the dining room table right after dinner.
 
Anyone who would suspend a child for that should be fired immediately and should never have a job with any responsibility again.
 
Wow. This is incredibly stupid. I cannot believe just how dumb things have gotten in public schools in recent years. :(:mad:
 
maryjk said:
The student was in Southern York County, PA. He is part of South Eastern School District, which is just north of the Maryland line, west of 83, and south of the Red Lion School District.

The individual that reported this incident to the principal was the 5th grade teacher. The principal then threatened the mother with expulsion.

It should have stopped with the teacher. “Knock it off” Should have ended it.
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This is also the same school district that closes the first day of deer season. 🤷
 
Another example of why zero tolerance never has and never will work.
 
It appears that the family has made no further threats and the school has taken no further action (including clearing the boy’s record). Christmas goodwill or just the desire to let it go?
 
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