Parish demanding donations

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But this new parish has the financial committee actually stand in front by the altar and give a speech on how parishoners aren’t contributing enough.
I am the one who once a year generally gets stuck in front of the parish asking for money. i dont particualrly enjoy it BUT the Church needs money to operate on. Are you aware that in most Parishes 20% of the people support the other 80%?

I am sure they did not demand you give-they just reminded you of your obligation to do so.
 
But someone here mentioned they can write their donations off their taxes? Why would anybody do that? Is it allowed? Either way, I don’t and won’t. The money I give to the CC is money for the CC, and I will not take it as a tax write off, it doesn’t fit my POV.
Yes. Charitable donations are tax deductible. If you itemize you can definitely take them. If not, I don’t know.

Why wouldn’t you take the deduction? Say you give $500 a year. If you’re in the 25% tax bracket (federal and state tax)
that’s $125.

You could just give that extra money to the Church too. So by deducting, you can give more.

God Bless
 
I had never heard of a parish asking for money, more like, demanding money. I always was suprised when people said otherwise, but now I have lived it myself. The parish I belonged to never demanded money from the parishoners. The monetary issues were always on the bulletin and it said whether or not there were deficits, but never demanded more money.

But this new parish has the financial committee actually stand in front by the altar and give a speech on how parishoners aren’t contributing enough. That those who have envelopes should give more money, and those who have an EFT automatic deduction from their accounts should at least give $5 each Sunday. I was angry at the fact that they are demanding people to give more! How can they do this? I’m pretty sure people give what they can afford, maybe some can give more, but how dare they scold everyone and demand more money? I’m still a member of my old Parish and was thinking of switching to this one, but I don’t think I want to after this. It sounds just like the JWs demanding for money!

I cannot believe this woman acted this way in the middle of Mass. I mean, they even passed around a paper with the expenses, donations, and shortages during Mass. Yes, it’s our duty to give, but how can they demand we give more. What if we can’t afford to?? I’m outraged! :mad:
Were they holding a gun to your head or was it a stewardship presentation and appeal? Was it a demend or a plea? I don’t see nothing wrong with giving out information about the expenses, donations and shortages, in fact I would request them if the parish didn’t provide them at least twice a year. We need to be challenged, too many parishes are holding on by a shoe string. And Catholics are notorious for holding back in giving thier far share. The $5.00 amount, well that is figure is probably the minumn they figured was needed to keep running the Parish, and that would only be about 10% of someone who had an income of $ 2,800.00 a year, 1% of someone with an income of $28,000 if your income falls between those incomes levels it might be too much to ask.🤷

The use of envelopes is how our parish knows “sort of’” how many families are active int the parish and also so the can keep tract of your donations in case you need that information for tax purposes. the information on how much one donates to our parish is kept highly confidentual.
 
Yes. Charitable donations are tax deductible. If you itemize you can definitely take them. If not, I don’t know.

Why wouldn’t you take the deduction? Say you give $500 a year. If you’re in the 25% tax bracket (federal and state tax)
that’s $125.

You could just give that extra money to the Church too. So by deducting, you can give more.

God Bless
If you cant itemize you cant take them.
 
But someone here mentioned they can write their donations off their taxes? Why would anybody do that? Is it allowed? Either way, I don’t and won’t. The money I give to the CC is money for the CC, and I will not take it as a tax write off, it doesn’t fit my POV.
Yes, it’s a charitable donation. Why wouldn’t I deduct it? Less money legally to Ceasar is always something I strongly approve of.
 
Yes. Charitable donations are tax deductible. If you itemize you can definitely take them. If not, I don’t know.

Why wouldn’t you take the deduction? Say you give $500 a year. If you’re in the 25% tax bracket (federal and state tax)
that’s $125.

You could just give that extra money to the Church too. So by deducting, you can give more.

God Bless
You are right, I could do that and give the money to the Church. I never thought of that.
 
But someone here mentioned they can write their donations off their taxes? Why would anybody do that? Is it allowed? Either way, I don’t and won’t. The money I give to the CC is money for the CC, and I will not take it as a tax write off, it doesn’t fit my POV.
Then you should write them off and give the Church the amount you saved in taxes.
 
At my parish if your contributions are at a minimal level then your tuition for your kid is considered “qualifying parish member rate”

If not, you pay a higher rate.

The only way they can determine it is by the envelope- the number on it is how they keep it all straight.

Dont tell your husband about that though.😉
 
and with my boss always going on vacation when I have to be paid, I always have to get money out of my 401k to be able to pay for things. She does it every month and doesn’t care I have things to pay.
NOT TO DERAIL THE THREAD BUT:
This is an illegal activity…I own a business and an employer has to meet the scheduled payday or they can face penalties and fines…

An employer who does this may be violating the law in aother ways…for example not paying the taxes that are withheld from your check [federal, stae and FICA].

When I might be gone for a pay day, I make arrangements for the payroll. I actually pay my employees faster than most employers. My pay period ends on sauturday, the time cards are faxed to the accountant on Monday morning and I write paychecks on Monday afternoon. There are lots of Monday holidays etc. and as I have a outside accountant, I have holidays and vacations to schedule around in her small officce too. What I sometimes do is have my people project their pay on Thursday or Friday - fax it to my accountant early. I write the checks [and sign them] and then have them distributed on payday.

I would contact your states attorney generals office or the state labor board - printing out the regulations and placing them on your boss’ desk might do the trick…
 
NOT TO DERAIL THE THREAD BUT:
This is an illegal activity…I own a business and an employer has to meet the scheduled payday or they can face penalties and fines…

An employer who does this may be violating the law in aother ways…for example not paying the taxes that are withheld from your check [federal, stae and FICA].

When I might be gone for a pay day, I make arrangements for the payroll. I actually pay my employees faster than most employers. My pay period ends on sauturday, the time cards are faxed to the accountant on Monday morning and I write paychecks on Monday afternoon. There are lots of Monday holidays etc. and as I have a outside accountant, I have holidays and vacations to schedule around in her small officce too. What I sometimes do is have my people project their pay on Thursday or Friday - fax it to my accountant early. I write the checks [and sign them] and then have them distributed on payday.

I would contact your states attorney generals office or the state labor board - printing out the regulations and placing them on your boss’ desk might do the trick…
She doesn’t even pay my taxes… she considers me a 1099 which am I not. Another of her 1099 “assistants” confronted her about this and aked his accountant to charge her the back taxes and he got put on leave of absence for a few months. I already reported her to the IRS, I’m risking my job though. I haven’t heard anything from the IRS, but I am in the process of taking a class to get a job somewhere else.
 
Sorry if this has been mentioned already as I didn’t have time to read through the whole thread, but what about tithing? I won’t reveal my salary here, but if I were to put 10% of my earnings into the collection basket each Sunday, it would total a great deal more than the six or seven dollars that other members here have mentioned, I can tell you. Perhaps we all need to reconsider just what the Church means in our lives and what we are doing to help support her.
 
She doesn’t even pay my taxes… she considers me a 1099 which am I not. Another of her 1099 “assistants” confronted her about this and aked his accountant to charge her the back taxes and he got put on leave of absence for a few months. I already reported her to the IRS, I’m risking my job though. I haven’t heard anything from the IRS, but I am in the process of taking a class to get a job somewhere else.
You are between a rock and a hard place. iI you turn her in you lose your job. If and when you leave her employ you should report her to the IRS who will then force her to refund you the half of your payroll taxes she was supposed to be paying.
 
This is a long thread and to be frank I did not read every posting.
It seems many are struggling financially, including some Parishes.
I always believe in tithe though I have a high figure of college tuition to pay.
But I remember when I lost my job and was on my unemployment, I still tithed out of my unemployment check. God blessed me with a good new job within four months.

To me, my parish is the God’s house and to support her is so important.
Since God really should be our top priority in life, I don’t see how we can be reluctant with the donation to our church. I don’t see anything wrong for the church to ask for donation increase, if there is a need. If everyone does right, there should be no need for such a petition.

Majority of the Protestants do tithe. Catholic Church is very gentle about asking for donation. If they ask, the need must be pressing.

Late President Kennedy said “Do not ask what your country has done for you, ask what you have done for your country.”
Can’t we also say “Do not ask what your church has done for you, ask what you have done for your church”?

We all know our Church, our Parish, has done all for us. The holy priests sacrifice their lives to be there for us 24/7. Yes, any time if there is an emergency, a crisis, they go to help. The Mass, the Holy Communion, the Confession, the Baptism, the wedding, the funeral, the anointing of the sick, the visiting of nursing homes, the visiting in the hospital, the prison ministry, their constant prayers for the parishioners…….

And who is the church? the building? the priests? Or you and me?
Who are we supporting?

Think about it.
 
When my husband and I moved to our current parish[1994 +/-], we were very straped for funds and were having a difficut time, newly married [both having failed past marriages, employment issues, being in the church but not taking communion as we needed to get our marriage blessed, etc] teenagers, etc.

We put $20 in the collection each Sunday and felt terrible about the amount. Even though we were struggling, we were very greatful for all that Jesus had given to enrich our lives, especially our finding each other.

As we contemplated our existance and worked on our everyday lives and our spiritual lives, we were continually strengthened and healed by our Lord. We worked deligently to place our charitable contributions [time talent and treasure] in the proper perspective to the many facits of our lives. We increased our volunteering, offered our talents and increased our monetary support to parish, dioccese, the local seminary, food banks, homes for unwed mothers etc. Today we support our parish at a significant increase over 1994, we are delighted to do so, it is in my budget…

Around 2001, the statistics on the diocese giving became available…
the average family contributed $6 /week [312 / year]
or 5% of an annual salary of $6,240

my parish average was $8/week [416 / year]
or 5% of an annual salary of $8,320.00

AND on the Side Topic:

An Independant Contractor [1099] is a person who sets their work schedule and has independent charge of their work product - how it is performed etc. A house painter you hire to paint your house is an independent contractor. He buys his own supplies and equipment, sets his work schedule, determines how to accomplish the project to meet his contract with you.

If your employer sets your schedule, tells you when and what to do at work, provides your work space, equipment and supplies, then you are an employee not a contractor…
 
Yada,

We get a weekly average amount for the parish. The amount is $27, so I assume that is the total amount divided by the number of envelopes. I am thinking of suggesting that they do the distribution as ‘number of families in the parish donating’, then break out by amount ranges. The average is just too meaningless a concept in this situation.
 
AND on the Side Topic:

An Independant Contractor [1099] is a person who sets their work schedule and has independent charge of their work product - how it is performed etc. A house painter you hire to paint your house is an independent contractor. He buys his own supplies and equipment, sets his work schedule, determines how to accomplish the project to meet his contract with you.

If your employer sets your schedule, tells you when and what to do at work, provides your work space, equipment and supplies, then you are an employee not a contractor…
Thanks for the clarification even though I already knew the difference, but it seems my boss doesn’t. I have to be here 5 days a wk, 8 hrs a day, tells me to do this, do that, go here, call so and so, copy this, print that, sometimes I can’t even stand her, she acts like a nagging 2 yr old.

Back to topic… after seeing the amount of the donations and how they reflect as a yearly salary, I feel bad now. 😦 😊 But w/paying my taxes quaterly, paying all the bills and the rest, I don’t think I can afford 10% of my salary (but I have been thinking of cancelling the phone at home, we never get calls there and it’s not a necessity).

I’ll see what I can do so DH doesn’t complain if & when I donate more $, he already thinks I give too much (but I tell him I give $2 a wk, he doesn’t know I give $10-12- sometimes more but, if he did know, he’d have a fit). I don’t like it when he gives money to his JW hall (and he only gives about $25-50 a yr but I don’t tell him I don’t want him to do that - I wouldn’t want him to tell me I can’t give to the CC) so I usually keep it behind his back and usually give cash just so he doesn’t complain about the money…
 
I wouldn’t want him to tell me I can’t give to the CC) so I usually keep it behind his back and usually give cash just so he doesn’t complain about the money…
You know, rather than feel bad, you might consider that you are in a special circumstance. Based on what you write, I would consider yours a special case! Being married out of the faith to someone of a hostile religion is very tough.
 
Yessisan,

Plase contact your states departmnet of labor…here is a frequently asked questions link to my states bureau of labor and induxtries [boli] site:

boli.state.or.us/BOLI/TA/T_FAQ_Tafaq.shtml

your employer is violating the law.

As for your giving, just set goals: Involve your husband and support him in seeking truth…place before him your own reasons for supporting your baptismal promises, as he sees the work of God enriching your life it will be a powerfull witness.

My husnand and I annully review our giving…we use a variety of methods…Some time back my husband liked to eat pizza once a week - sad to say we have not been able to do this the last couple of years [ideally with friends -it is a communal experience, friendship, hospitality etc] We have taken that once a week pizza bill and reflected on what joining with the friends meant to us and how much money and time we spent on that “Pizza Night” Then we discussed the Mass on Sundays and how special it is to come together with our faith community and receive Jesus in the Eucharist. The Grace that comes from that communal prayer. Then we compared the two “MEAL EVENTS” which one is the most important. At which one is our soul fed with abundance? Then we looked at our Sunday offertory and compared it to the Pizza night…that was the year our weekly $20 contribution made a 65% increase.

Now we take an inventory: We write down where we want God to be in our life. What areas of our faith life do we want to strengthen. Why do we want our spiritual life to grow?

We look at our average month: How much time do we spend on the variety of activities that comprise our days. How much money do we spend each month and where.

Then we look at the lists and try to find God in the area where we place more of our time and resources…If God is not there you will never reach your goals…and you cannot set new goals if you have not even invited God into your daily life.

Yessisan, this is not something I think you can [or should do] without your husband. YOu may have to balance the everyday life and recover financially from your various struggles [we all have to do that occasionally] especially as a young and newly married person [today is my 15th anniversay 😃 ] but Jesus is always there, strengthening us and encouraging us to follow Him. You are a blessing to the world and Stewardship is a learned behavior that comes with hard work on our part and God’s Grace making up for what we lack!
 
Yes, it’s a charitable donation. Why wouldn’t I deduct it? Less money legally to Ceasar is always something I strongly approve of.
Some people, however, do choose to make a distinction and “keep hidden” or seperate what they offer to charity/church not minding (or even finding it acceptable and even right) to pay what they consider to be appropriate to both church and state, Thus, they don’t bother with deducting donations from taxes.
 
Around 2001, the statistics on the diocese giving became available…
the average family contributed $6 /week [312 / year]
or 5% of an annual salary of $6,240

my parish average was $8/week [416 / year]
or 5% of an annual salary of $8,320.00
You know, if they’d put it like that to parisioners, it might well wake more people up to the paltry which their offerings are. Shoot, the widow’s mite may actually add up to more not just in percentage of giving but real dollars!
 
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