Parishioners billed $72,000 for TLM (not a joke)

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Spiller said:
How would you even communicate with someone who labeled others as “New Mass Catholics?”
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Especially when some of us “New Mass Catholics” are eager moral and $$ supporters of the local TLM effort.
 
Spiller said:
Bingo. It’s time that those who want the Tridentine Mass get out their checkbooks.
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Uhh, they do. It’s called “the collection”. People who attend the TLM tithe just like everyone else.

If they want the cash upfront before there are any masses, then they shuld do the same for all the masses. Fair is fair.
 
Whether they recognize it or not, I think some that are clamoring for a Tridentine Mass are concerned that they will not raise the initial $18K, nor will they be able to support the $72K/year.

If that’s the reality then maybe they should wait before becoming a financial burden to a “New Mass Catholic Parish.”
 
Unitas said:
Uhh, they do. It’s called “the collection”. People who attend the TLM tithe just like everyone else.

If they want the cash upfront before there are any masses, then they shuld do the same for all the masses. Fair is fair.
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No they don’t.

I they actually tithed – like the Mormons do for example, they would already be shopping for real estate…
 
wraithx said:
Really? The partyline we are hearing from most of these bad Bishops is that no one actually wants the Mass. Frankly, the anti-Tradition lot will use any lie they can to keep tradition down.
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wriathx. I notice you are new here. You might be surprised that most here support the right to attend TLM for those that desire it. No one is trying to keep anyone down here. I do know that some priests and bishops do not like it, though. Still, practical matters must be considered. As with anything, if the interest in the TLM grows, as can be measured by monetary support, so will the availablity.
 
Spiller said:
Whether they recognize it or not, I think some that are clamoring for a Tridentine Mass are concerned that they will not raise the initial $18K, nor will they be able to support the $72K/year.

If that’s the reality then maybe they should wait before becoming a financial burden to a “New Mass Catholic Parish.”
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One of the main burdens here is finding a priest ,who is not already overcommitted, who knows HOW to offer the TLM, and who is willing to do it. That is the main obstacle our group has encountered – in addition to the fact that so many who SAY they want the TLM suddenly disappear when it comes time to pony up for the effort.

Oh? You mean it WON’T be at 10:00 a.m.? You mean it has to be FIVE miles away? You mean I have to commit to this? (SP DOES specify “a stable group”).
 
I know someone alluded to this at an earlier post, but when the NO came in, anyone that wanted to keep the old Mass or preserve the structures were met with a brick wall and told to be quiet or else go. That these people are being asked to pay this upfront is an effrontery to any sense of fairness. Those buildings(the bulk of them) were built for the old Mass and not the current travesty that goes on there daily. I recommend they vote with their feet.

I know a Fr Mulkern recently retired from saying the indult in New Castle, ME. Not knowing his health, maybe he could say Mass for some if there was some sort of Mass site. There is always the CMRI in Lewiston two Sundays a month who have their doctrine staight and would be willing to answer any questions by anyone who would be worrying about going to their Mass and fulfilling their obligation.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us
 
Joe17 said:
I know someone alluded to this at an earlier post, but when the NO came in, anyone that wanted to keep the old Mass or preserve the structures were met with a brick wall and told to be quiet or else go. That these people are being asked to pay this upfront is an effrontery to any sense of fairness. Those buildings(the bulk of them) were built for the old Mass and not the current travesty that goes on there daily. I recommend they vote with their feet.
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The Buildings were no built for the TLM-they were built for the CATHOLIC CHURCH. The travesty is that many have gone from worshipping the Lord to worshipping a Mass.
 
Father Z has blogged about this. He says that it’s fair and that everybody ought to tithe, anyway. 😛
 
Because that’s a ton of money. Why should people have to pay that much money just to attend Mass. What ever happened to putting what you think is necessary in the collection tray. I always give more to small parishes, because I think that they need it. However the Church has no room to force people to pay to attend Mass.
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You don’t have to pay to attend mass, HOWEVER, if you want a SPECIAL SERVICE then be prepared to pay.
 
Spiller said:
Bingo. It’s time that those who want the Tridentine Mass get out their checkbooks. That’s about $1,400/week – not a huge nut to crack. More difficulty with the up-front money, but that’s also a GREAT indicator of TRUE interest in having the Tridentine Mass.

Any well run parish has a budget. It may seem a little unsettling to break-out the numbers in such a clear manner but there is nothing wrong with it.

Someone is paying all those expenses. It’s not reasonable for someone else to subsidize this group.

The only thing I could possibly see is the diocese eating the church rental for the first year – as it is a sunk cost and there would be very little opportunity cost associated with letting them borrow the church, but charging them seems more than fair.

Here locally the collection at the Tridentine Mass simply goes to the parish where it is celebrated and the visiting (retired) priest gets a stipend from the parish.
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I want the midnight Mass goers to pay for their own Masses!

Why should I pay for the 5PM Mass! It’s on a Saturday!

And what about that Easter Vigil? I say let those RCIA students pick up the tab!!

:rolleyes:
 
iamrefreshed said:
I want the midnight Mass goers to pay for their own Masses!

Why should I pay for the 5PM Mass! It’s on a Saturday!

And what about that Easter Vigil? I say let those RCIA students pick up the tab!!

:rolleyes:
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Apples and oranges, the masses you mention are part of the regular parish schedule performed by your parish priest…however, what’s being discussed here is a group from OUTSIDE a parish imposing a cost upon the parish and the diocese for something that, though desired by a few, is not necessary. A Chaplain has to be paid and there are additional costs to the parish that need to be covered. At my home parish when an OUTSIDE group uses the Gym or some other facility they have to pay for it’s usage to cover insurance and utilities, cleaning, etc. So, this group from OUTSIDE the parish is being charged for the use of the church they don’t belong to and the expense of the CHAPLAIN being assigned to them.
 
That’s a small price to pay for the Latin Mass. It’s not much compared to how much it costs to run a parish.

Unless people were hoping to donate the same dollar amount they used to give in 1962? :rolleyes:
 
Yerusalyim said:
Apples and oranges, the masses you mention are part of the regular parish schedule performed by your parish priest…however, what’s being discussed here is a group from OUTSIDE a parish imposing a cost upon the parish and the diocese for something that, though desired by a few, is not necessary. A Chaplain has to be paid and there are additional costs to the parish that need to be covered. At my home parish when an OUTSIDE group uses the Gym or some other facility they have to pay for it’s usage to cover insurance and utilities, cleaning, etc. So, this group from OUTSIDE the parish is being charged for the use of the church they don’t belong to and the expense of the CHAPLAIN being assigned to them.
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I don’t really care what kind of fruit you call it. What I see here is catholics using the words like ‘they’ and ‘them’ and ‘traditionilists’ and ‘New Massers’.

What are we all becoming Protestant?😦
 
Joe17 said:
I know someone alluded to this at an earlier post, but when the NO came in, anyone that wanted to keep the old Mass or preserve the structures were met with a brick wall and told to be quiet or else go. That these people are being asked to pay this upfront is an effrontery to any sense of fairness. Those buildings(the bulk of them) were built for the old Mass and not the current travesty that goes on there daily.
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I hope by “vote with their feet” you are not advocating abandoning the Catholic Church. That would indeed be a sad response.

I agree that having to have the money up fromt is too much to ask for, although as I said earlier, it is easliy solved by diverting current offerings into the new community. What I find most disturbing is your insult of the Mass. We are still offering the sacrifice of Calvary and to characterize that as a “travesty” is an insult unworthy of a Catholic. Earlier this week several people who like the TLM went beserk of the TLM being described as “theatrical.” I poined out then the irony of such anger when insults toward the ordinary Mass roll so easy from traditionalists.
 
iamrefreshed said:
I want the midnight Mass goers to pay for their own Masses!

Why should I pay for the 5PM Mass! It’s on a Saturday!

And what about that Easter Vigil? I say let those RCIA students pick up the tab!!
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You still don’t get it? Midnight Mass attendees and Saturday vigil Mass attendees are part of a parish – both are ALREADY paying via the weekly collection.

This is a separate chaplaincy designed to cover a far larger geographic area. Why should one existing parish within that area pay for the chaplaincy?

If you actually understand, your attempts at misdirection are not fooling anyone.
 
I will go one step more. If in an effort to start this new community, a collection was taken throughout my diocese, I would donate because I think it fills a niche, like every other start up ministry. I surely wouldn’t object to diocesan dollars fronting the startup. I find it hard to believe it will not be self-supporting.
 
Joe17 said:
I know someone alluded to this at an earlier post, but when the NO came in, anyone that wanted to keep the old Mass or preserve the structures were met with a brick wall and told to be quiet or else go. That these people are being asked to pay this upfront is an effrontery to any sense of fairness. Those buildings(the bulk of them) were built for the old Mass and not the current travesty that goes on there daily. I recommend they vote with their feet.
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Actually I don’t believe anyone was told to “go” – unless they were acting in an unreasonable manner. Given the tenor of this thread, I can guess that happened more than a few times.

The design of the building is a red herring in this discussion. To describe the normative Pauline Mass as a “travesty” is to step way over the line…
Joe17 said:
I know a Fr Mulkern recently retired from saying the indult in New Castle, ME. Not knowing his health, maybe he could say Mass for some if there was some sort of Mass site. There is always the CMRI in Lewiston two Sundays a month who have their doctrine staight and would be willing to answer any questions by anyone who would be worrying about going to their Mass and fulfilling their obligation.
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There ya go! Abandon the chaplaincy for a cheaper alternative! I cannot believe you are advocating this…
 
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