Parishioners billed $72,000 for TLM (not a joke)

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wraithx said:
What is wrong with you people and the Church in general? St John Vianney would be horrified at all of this!

First off, it is blatantly obvious that the people supporting the Bishop are all new Mass goers - so I am not at all surprised to see support for any policy that makes it difficult for traditional Catholics.

But MOST IMPORTANTLY - find a priest (retired or otherwise) who is willing to say Mass, find a ramshackle old building - or even outdoors if the weather suits it, and have an underground Mass - the priest is allowed (under the SP) to say the Mass, the parishoners are allowed to go to it - we don’t need buildings.

A case of communion wine might cost $100 for 10 bottles - it will last for ages because only the Priest consumes it. Communion wafers: $4 for 50 large, $16 for 1,000 small.

Garments and other things required for Mass can be bought on eBay for a low (one off) price.

All priests have their own Chalice - so no cost there. A ciborium on eBay (worthy of use in communion - not some vile glass or wooden thing) can be bought for a reasonable price.

Altar missals can be found in second hand shops and some parishioners even have ones they rescued from the rubbish bins when the new Mass parishes threw everything away in the reforms.

In China, Catholics are killed for attending Mass - they manage to hide out and have Mass (traditional Mass). Why are we discussing 72,000 seriously? Ditch the Bishop’s suggestion and do it yourselves - the Catholics in the early Church did it when forced by the Romans - now we are being forced by members of the Church hierarchy - the fact remains, cost is not a factor in having the True Mass every week.

My old priest was retired and he said the traditional Mass in his cousin’s house every single day. He would not allow us to take up collections (though it was done occasionally against his will to help him out). He is 80 years old. To this day (even after SP) he is still saying his private Mass because the Bishop won’t give him a Church - despite the fact that he has well over 100 regular attendees at his Mass. This was all done lawfully and it was a truly amazing thing to see all of those devout families kneeling on the floor in the living room, dining room, and kitchen just to be at Mass every week.

So - in summary - new Mass Catholics - say what you want - you can have your rich parishes with teen life Masses and altar girls and eucharistic ministers.

And traditional Catholics: build your own community and forget about the rich parishes up the road who look with disdain on you - you have 1,960 years of Saints on your side.
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pnewton said:
I will go one step more. If in an effort to start this new community, a collection was taken throughout my diocese, I would donate because I think it fills a niche, like every other start up ministry. I surely wouldn’t object to diocesan dollars fronting the startup. I find it hard to believe it will not be self-supporting.
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I would donate too.

But there is something very smart about what they are doing. They are measuring the TRUE level of interest in having and supporting the Tridentine.

It would be far worse to foot the start-up only to find out that not nearly enough money is being given each week to sustain the chaplaincy. Closing-down the chaplaincy at THAT point would really bring screams of unfairness as some traditionalists are clearly not grasping the inherent fairness of the current proposal.

If they have trouble raising the $18K, it’s probably a strong sign that they should wait until there is adequate support.
 
iamrefreshed said:
I don’t really care what kind of fruit you call it. What I see here is catholics using the words like ‘they’ and ‘them’ and ‘traditionilists’ and ‘New Massers’.

What are we all becoming Protestant?😦
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Good point.

Whenever I see someone type “Traditional Catholic” as if it was an individual rite or church, it really makes me wonder…
 
Spiller said:
Good for Fr. Z. Clearly he gets it. 👍
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The situation has been far from fair for traditional Catholics, but in spite of everything, I suspect that the faithful will be quite generous in donating to the chaplaincy.

It would be a great thing if, as Fr Parent mentioned, other priests get training in the TLM.

Also, he’s a Melkite priest, so not even a tip-top sedevacantist can question his orders. That’s for the benefit of Joe17 and the hard-liner paleo-traditionalists out there-- and you know who you are! 😉
 
wraithx said:
First of all, thank you for addressing my points so fully. I think that many parishes are so poor that they have Churches some would consider ramshackle - of course the interior would need to clean - but this is a temporary measure in an extraordinary situation. Better to have the Mass in a poor building than to suffer liturgical abuses in a costly one. These are extraordinary times, and frankly - the difference between the Chinese communists and Bishops who pull these kinds of tricks is not great. Catholics under both oppressors need to resort to special measures.
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Oh, puh-leeze…the fact that you assume “liturgical abuses” and, in a previous post, referred to the “true Mass” says it all.
 
The idea that the TLM would have to be paid for by those who want it is offensive and seems to be singling these parishoners out as different than other parishoners. It’s treating them almost as if they are a different faith who want to use the facilities. My parish pays for the costs of the TLM out of the total parish donations. I think this is the Catholic way of handling it.
 
Spiller is right - Catholics are notoriously low tithers. Other churches tithe 10% and most of our churches say 4-5% - at least that’s been my experience. The other 5% is supposed to be used to give to other charitable organizations.
 
Cathryn said:
The idea that the TLM would have to be paid for by those who want it is offensive and seems to be singling these parishoners out as different than other parishoners. It’s treating them almost as if they are a different faith who want to use the facilities. My parish pays for the costs of the TLM out of the total parish donations. I think this is the Catholic way of handling it.
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Cathryn…you haven’t been paying attention. This is a new chaplaincy, not simply a group of parishioners starting TLM at their OWN parish. Quite a difference…
 
dixieagle said:
Cathryn…you haven’t been paying attention. This is a new chaplaincy, not simply a group of parishioners starting TLM at their OWN parish. Quite a difference…
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You are right. I haven’t been paying attention. Thank you.
 
ProVobis said:
I agree expenses must be paid. But to bill them for it? I hope the rest of the congregation didn’t threaten them to do that.
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This isn’t part of a congregation. It is a chaplaincy specifically commissioned to meet the requests of the Latin Mass community.
 
dixieagle said:
Oh, puh-leeze…the fact that you assume “liturgical abuses” and, in a previous post, referred to the “true Mass” says it all.
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Absolutely. I restate my invitation for anyone who would like to see a reverent OF Mass to PM me about my parish. I challenge anyone to find a liturgical abuse in our NO.

For pity’s sake, our pastor wears his cassock practically 24/7. 🙂

Something these threads don’t often address is TIME. Yes, we have a universal indult. It’s going to take a while to work out the kinks.
 
childofmary1143 said:
I really like what Father Z has to say but I am still unclear about the Parish rental fee. Can someone explain to me what a chapliancy is for this? When I think of Chaplaincy, I am thinking of Priests assigned to a hospital or to the Military. Is the Priest here assigned to say the TLM a diocesan one?
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This chaplaincy would be analogous to a parish without their own building that is most likely designed to cover a greater geographic area than a typical parish. It’s likely designed to provide the Tridentine to an geographic area encompassed by several parishes.

One of those parishes within the chaplaincy will provide their building (and the associated costs) for the celebration of the Tridentine.
 
jj2011 said:
The situation has been far from fair for traditional Catholics, but in spite of everything, I suspect that the faithful will be quite generous in donating to the chaplaincy.

It would be a great thing if, as Fr Parent mentioned, other priests get training in the TLM.

Also, he’s a Melkite priest, so not even a tip-top sedevacantist can question his orders. That’s for the benefit of Joe17 and the hard-liner paleo-traditionalists out there-- and you know who you are! 😉
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How? Because they are expected to pay their own way like everyone else?

None of the 3 priests in my parish celebrate the Tridentine. Yet they already celebrated the normative Pauline Mass at least 3 times each, every Sunday to a packed church. Just exactly where and when would they celebrate the Tridentine?
 
Cathryn said:
The idea that the TLM would have to be paid for by those who want it is offensive and seems to be singling these parishoners out as different than other parishoners. It’s treating them almost as if they are a different faith who want to use the facilities. My parish pays for the costs of the TLM out of the total parish donations. I think this is the Catholic way of handling it.
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Oh yeah? How is this different than the faithful who support their parishes through weekly collections?

You say your parish “pays for the costs of the TLM out of the total parish donations.” IF those who make use of the Tridentine are paying their fair share IT’S THE SAME as this case. EXCEPT that if they pay more than the others, it just gets rolled into the parish fund – it is not kept separate to further support the Tridentine Mass.
 
ProVobis said:
I agree expenses must be paid. But to bill them for it? I hope the rest of the congregation didn’t threaten them to do that.
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No one received a bill. This is no different than a fund raising goal. Shows excellent planning, actually…
 
kathleen54601 said:
Spiller is right - Catholics are notoriously low tithers. Other churches tithe 10% and most of our churches say 4-5% - at least that’s been my experience. The other 5% is supposed to be used to give to other charitable organizations.
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I would guess most Catholics give 1% or less.
 
estesbob said:
Agreed. Why should the TLM participants not carry the burden of the extra costs?
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And how do you know they haven’t?

Actually, we don’t know that much from the story. For all we know maybe they’re a rowdy group with too much time on their hands. Or maybe they already all gave generously. I don’t see the OF crowd putting in any more than the EF crowd. I think statistically only 20% of Catholic attendees actually contribute, at least from having read most of Church bulletins in my area.
 
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