Part-Time Workers Say Schedules Are Getting More Erratic

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Part-Time Workers Say Schedules Are Getting More Erratic
In the 1980s, a popular fast-food commercial touted chicken-breast sandwiches — and mocked chicken nuggets sold by competitors.
, a competitor’s doofus clerk explains nuggets. “All the parts are crammed into one big part,” he said. “And parts is parts.”
Today, clerks may believe that catchphrase could apply to them as regular full-time schedules disappear. For many workers, hours are not only short, but increasingly erratic as managers scramble to cover shifts without the steadying influence of experienced full-time employees.
“It’s ridiculous,” says Amere Graham, an 18-year-old high school graduate who works at a McDonald’s in Milwaukee. “My schedule is all over the place. It’s completely unpredictable.”
support Graham’s impressions of workplace conditions. The ranks of people working part time because they can’t find full-time jobs have roughly doubled since the summer of 2007, from about 4.3 million to 8.2 million.
“There has been a surge in part-time work,” says , an economist at the American Enterprise Institute.
The change reflects business owners’ reluctance to hire full-time workers while they still have so many worries about the strength of the recovery and the cost of the , Mathur says. “You want to maintain flexibility so you can respond to the economy” without having to carry the costs of hiring and firing full-time employees, she says.
, conducted in the fall of 2011 in New York, only 17 percent of retail workers said they have a set schedule.
Let’s say employers have valid reasons for hiring part-time rather than full-time employees.
Fine. But that means people will need two jobs to make ends meet which is impossible if one job (maybe both) is varying their hours week to week.

I post this because I see a lot of posts here from folk who have a stereotype of poor people that they’d rather be on the dole than work. There are a lot of obstacles that make life extra difficult for the working poor, fluctutating schedules being just one.
 
Why do you think employers do this?
Probably because they aren’t very well-trained themselves, and have little idea how to manage either people or schedules.

Many employers are actually people who were downsized from full-time office jobs themselves, but had savings from which to buy a franchise or a small business of some kind, which they hope will succeed well enough to keep them and their families afloat - a lot of them have never actually been to business school, or been properly trained in management.
 
Why do you think employers do this?
Beats me.
Possibly because they want employees to have only one job. It probably works but certainly won’t generate employee loyalty and also destroys workers’ hopes that they might advance.
I think there’s a pervasive attitude that employees exist solely for the convenience of the employer. True to an extent if you take “solely” out.

Economists like to pretend that humans are rational which is ridiculous. Lots of businesses engage in practices that are guaranteed to drive up employee dissatisfaction and high turnover adding to costs. Stupid business policies can be just as destructive as stupid gov’t policies.

Since managers regularly have to fill X shifts with Y employees jerking them around with unpredictable schedules seems odd.
 
My guess is that the managers are attempting to have enough people for the busiest parts of the day without paying too many man hours. Work for 3 hours and then go home, but standby in case we get busy again. It makes getting a second job or doing anything else with your time very difficult. I had to work like that for a while until I found someone willing to give me enough hours to support myself through college. (as long as I would work under the table of course)
 
Why do you think employers do this?
Part-time people are cheaper, easier to get rid of, allow the employer to cover variable or seasonal needs, and give access to people with specific skills that they only need now and then (although this one might be called “contract labor”).

It also might seem like it allows them to be insulated from the worker who just up and quits. They can fairly easily pass some extra hours around to the others until they can get someone new.
 
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Let’s say employers have valid reasons for hiring part-time rather than full-time employees.
Fine. But that means people will need two jobs to make ends meet which is impossible if one job (maybe both) is varying their hours week to week.

I post this because I see a lot of posts here from folk who have a stereotype of poor people that they’d rather be on the dole than work. There are a lot of obstacles that make life extra difficult for the working poor, fluctutating schedules being just one.
One big reason is the artificiality of the 30 hour worker = full time for Obamacare purposes. I’m reading about more and more employers capping their hours for employees at 28 hours per week so as not to have to deal with it.

*(At which point, predictably, somebody will say "greedy b&&ta&s" – my answer to that is that a franchise owner has a hard enough time to close the books without either adding the HUGE expense of health insurance or paying an extra excise tax on each employee)

Back when I’ve had to schedule part time people at a pizzaria (it’s been many, many years), it was simply a matter of finding the right number of people to work the right shifts on the right days. “Are you available” was the only question. I had a calendar up where employees put their “unavailable” days/shifts when doing up the schedule for the next two weeks. I didn’t worry about the number of hours per employee…most would be happy to get as many hours as they could…provided it didn’t conflict with other plans.

Nowadays, the job would be incredibly more difficult, as I’d have to calculate hours and make sure nobody went over 30. Because that would be a VERY bad thing.

Having said the above, as far as the “rather be on the dole than work” comment, it’s a matter of simple mathematics.

Look, I was laid off from my last job (company restructuring). While I was fortunate that I found another job almost immediately and so didn’t actually have to take any unemployment checks, I found out a whole bunch first hand about how the system worked. For example, I found that my unemployment check would be $472 per week (that’s $11.82 an hour for 40 hours). If I went and got full time employment at Best Buy, Walmart, or some food chain to help make ends meet, I would have a very hard time finding employment that would pay me $11.82 an hour – frankly, most would start me at around $9 an hour in this area. The way unemployment works here in Maryland, if I get a job that pays anything…I have to report it. Once I got a job, any job, my unemployment check stops.

I know somebody else that was laid off at the same time as me (and whose network wasn’t quite as good as mine) who stayed on unemployment for almost 6 months for that very reason…it took that long for him to find the “right” job and he would have been severely penalized had he taken something on an interim basis.

And so it’s math, not laziness, but math. It makes no economic sense for one who could get $11.82 an hour to look for other employment to then turn around and get a job that pays $8 - $9 an hour.

Does the actual “dole” work the same way unemployment does? If somebody can claim disability for an obscure reason but would lose it if he/she got a job that paid less than what the person received for disability, why would the person even consider getting a job…which would cause the disability check to stop.

I can’t speak for others, but when you read me criticize the “dole” – I’m not criticizing the person on the dole, I’m criticizing a system that penalizes somebody for showing the initiative to work.
 
Does the actual “dole” work the same way unemployment does? If somebody can claim disability for an obscure reason but would lose it if he/she got a job that paid less than what the person received for disability, why would the person even consider getting a job…which would cause the disability check to stop.
I agree that if a person has a genuine disability that makes decent, reliable work impossible, the incentives are very strong not to attempt work, even if you hate feeling useless and want to work. I had a friend who wanted to work the amount she was able, but it was just too hard to stay fed, housed, clothed, etc. that way, with frequently switching on and off aid (or raising and lowering it), so she gave up taking part-time jobs.

The best option for her was to volunteer somewhere.
 
One big reason is the artificiality of the 30 hour worker = full time for Obamacare purposes. I’m reading about more and more employers capping their hours for employees at 28 hours per week so as not to have to deal with it.
Indeed I am seeing this more and more.
The magic number used to be anything under 40.

But now employers are having to cover the same shifts but cannot provide the same hours. So instead they take on more employees and provide all with less hours.

It’s the new economy.
 
Indeed I am seeing this more and more.
The magic number used to be anything under 40.

But now employers are having to cover the same shifts but cannot provide the same hours. So instead they take on more employees and provide all with less hours.

It’s the new economy.
Sure, the magic number used to be 40…but even if you went over 40 on occasion, the person would have to get paid time-and-a-half for those hours only. That was manageable. Now if you go over 30, you have to buy that person insurance or pay the “tax” (fine). That is DRAMATICALLY more expensive.
 
Sure, the magic number used to be 40…but even if you went over 40 on occasion, the person would have to get paid time-and-a-half for those hours only. That was manageable. Now if you go over 30, you have to buy that person insurance or pay the “tax” (fine). That is DRAMATICALLY more expensive.
Right.
With stakes so high, it is no wonder shifts are getting shorter and more erratic.

Were I in that position, I believe I would hire 2 to 3 times as many and then fluctuate shifts to insure that no one had more then 28 hours and allow my shifts to all be covered.

So instead of having a store where 18 to 20 could be employed and get a paycheck, the same company would now have upwards of 50 and none would get paid much.

A socialist utopia if ever there was one. All are equally miserable.
 
At least for fast food operators, employers are making an effort to stay busy all day. What do you expect them to do if they are busy only from 7-9am, 11am-1pm and 5-7pm? They as an industry are pushing snacks and beverages that can be enjoyed and any time of day. What that will do for our obesity crisis is another question.

Another way to keep employees busy for eight hours would require individuals with multiple skills who could maintain equipment, order supplies, schedule employees, and do bookkeeping, marketing, and menu experimentation in the slow periods. People with those skills get to be owners, not minimum wage entry level workers. That is how Dave Thomas learned enough to found Wendys. He started at the bottom too.
 
Probably because they aren’t very well-trained themselves, and have little idea how to manage either people or schedules.

Many employers are actually people who were downsized from full-time office jobs themselves, but had savings from which to buy a franchise or a small business of some kind, which they hope will succeed well enough to keep them and their families afloat - a lot of them have never actually been to business school, or been properly trained in management.
I would agree with this but it’s difficult to predict customers or approvals of estimated projects. The days of 9 to 5 are numbered IMO, but replaced by on-calls 24/7 in some cases as well. I’ve seen more and more of this since y2k.
 
One big reason is the artificiality of the 30 hour worker = full time for Obamacare purposes. I’m reading about more and more employers capping their hours for employees at 28 hours per week so as not to have to deal with it.
Could be, but the Obamacare provision that would force companies into this position is being delayed for at least a year and perhaps longer. IMO, given the mood in Congress, it will be difficult to reinstate ever, especially when more and more will be covered, despite how many hours they work.
 
The more part time workers you have to fill the hours, the fewer full time benefits you have to pay to your employees. It saves the company money.
 
The more part time workers you have to fill the hours, the fewer full time benefits you have to pay to your employees. It saves the company money.
No company HAS to provide benefits unless they are under contract with the employee. And it really doesn’t make much difference as far as hours worked. A local grocery covers its employees with health insurance with a minimum of 12 hours a week.
 
Could be, but the Obamacare provision that would force companies into this position is being delayed for at least a year and perhaps longer. IMO, given the mood in Congress, it will be difficult to reinstate ever, especially when more and more will be covered, despite how many hours they work.
Companies were doing this in advance (some as long ago as a year ago) because they wanted to avoid IRS oversight. It became real to them in 2012 when they had to start reporting health plan availability on their W-2 forms. Then the issue of whether or not they were large or small business (>50 full time equivalent or <50 full time equivalent) became very real to a lot of businesses that may not have considered it before.

Interesting chart from CRS:

 
Interesting chart from CRS:

Indeed, it is interesting. And thanks for it.

So no matter what, if none of my full-time employees is on the exchange and receives no premium credits, there is no penalty?

But if I do provide health insurance, there will be a penalty either way?

Wow! It took them this long to figure it makes no sense and unworkable?

And I thought Sarbanes-Oxley was bad. 🙂
 
Indeed, it is interesting. And thanks for it.

So no matter what, if none of my full-time employees is on the exchange and receives no premium credits, there is no penalty?

But if I do provide health insurance, there will be a penalty either way?

Wow! It took them this long to figure it makes no sense and unworkable?
Actually, that chart was produced by CRS in 2010. It was put out to the HR community by SHRM in 2011.

Large businesses have known about it since that time and smaller businesses without a separate HR function have started to realize it since 2012, when the W-2 forms changed and several of the larger corporations that have a lot of part timers (Darden was one of the first) started adjusting their work scheduling policies.

What I am waiting for is for major corporations (specifically ones that engage in a lot of government contracting) to start dropping their employees’ insurance. It will just take one and the dam will break. $2,000 is a TON cheaper than paying for health insurance.

As you may or may not know, labor pricing on contracts (specifically gov’t contracts) is calculated by multiplying a person’s pay times a percentage for fringe benefits (times a percentage for overhead & general / administrative)…and then figuring a percentage for a desired fee (profit). Of course the profit is what the company desires and may/may not work out that way.

Well, if a company decides to pay a $2,000 penalty per employee rather than $14,000 or so for health insurance coverage, you can just imagine how much that will cut the fringe costs. It will make the first company that does that virtually unbeatable in bidding for labor-intensive contracts…even if they were to offer their employees a sizable pay increase to make up the difference.

It will just take one major player to do it…and the rest will follow within months. It is inevitable that it will happen. It’s just a matter of which company will be the first to do it.
 
Well, if a company decides to pay a $2,000 penalty per employee rather than $14,000 or so for health insurance coverage, you can just imagine how much that will cut the fringe costs. It will make the first company that does that virtually unbeatable in bidding for labor-intensive contracts…even if they were to offer their employees a sizable pay increase to make up the difference.
But that should be good for the customer, no? Perhaps it’ll be in the form of lower installation charges or lower material costs but the customer should benefit. In the long run, however, those costs will be absorbed by everyone. (I’m speaking from the tax perspective.) But, hey, there are governments which subsidize gasoline and no one objects.
 
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