Passing of loved one...doesn't make an angel

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What your asking for isn’t on the website, just the general statement, "the bible forbids talking to the dead (necromancy).

Mary and Jesus has visited people, and spoken with them - I don’t deny this happens. But these cases are rare and extraordinary. And anyone who claims to have been visited by a saint or Jesus is throughly scrutinized before recognized as true by the church.

My statement about saints came from my parish priest, who told me essentially “we have the communion of saints, where we pray for those in heaven, and they in turn can pray for us, and this is the way God intended for us to ‘communicate’ with them.”

I’ll correct what I previously wrote, “the saints may visit and talk with us, in rare and extraordinary cases.” However, in none of these cases was the contact initiated by the person on earth, or through a medium - which the author of the post was concerned his friend may do.
 
ZemD said:
What your asking for isn’t on the website, just the general statement, "the bible forbids talking to the dead (necromancy).
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We have been over this before in another thread recently.
Speaking with saints (the term “saint” includes ALL souls in heaven) and asking for their intercession is NOT “necromancy”.
And you made a big assumption and attributed it to Adam Blai, wrongly. Don’t do that.

We are not calling up the saints through a voodoo ritual to act like little gods and do things for us. We are conversing with them as friends in Heaven.
We are likewise permitted and encouraged to speak to our loved ones who we have good reason to believe are in heaven.

We do not need a medium for this and again we do not “call them up” to come visit us on earth, but if you think those of us who have favorite patron saints, and also deceased parents, spouses, other family and good friends in heaven don’t raise our eyes to heaven on a fairly regular basis and talk to them, you are a bit out of touch with normal Catholic behavior.
 
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Also I really don’t like the idea of souls appearing for us to pray for them - if you haven’t seen someone are you then to suppose the person is in hell ? As surely God wouldn’t allow some to appear to ask for prayer and not others ?
 
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Also I really don’t like the idea of souls appearing for us to pray for them - if you haven’t seen someone are you then to suppose the person is in hell ? As surely God wouldn’t allow some to appear to ask for prayer and not others ?
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Halogirl, this is all private revelation. If you don’t like it you don’t have to believe it and you should probably just ignore it.

God will allow what he wants to allow.
 
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Good to know - maybe b/c I wasn’t raised with that and also I’m petrified of ghosts! I told my mother not to come back and visit me for that reason and she always promised me she wouldn’t she knows what a chicken I am
 
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lucius2 said:
Here’s that link you asked for:
https://spiritdaily.com/hauntingspossessions.htm
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This link is simply from Spirit Daily repeating all of Adam Blai’s statements about souls in purgatory, which I am not disputing, and which are all on Adam Blai’s website.

I specifically asked for a link supporting what ZemD said about us not speaking with SAINTS IN HEAVEN. There isn’t one, either on Adam’s site or here, because what ZemD is claiming - that speaking to SAINTS IN HEAVEN is somehow necromancy - is wrong.

There is nothing in Catholic teaching telling us we cannot speak with SAINTS IN HEAVEN, assuming we do not engage in “calling up the dead”. It is fine for me to speak to St. Patrick right now, as we do when we pray to him, or for me to speak to my dead grandma if I have good reason to think she’s in heaven. It would be wrong for me to try to conjure up or “call up” St. Patrick or my dead grandma to appear to me in this room, or to ask a medium to try to contact St. Patrick or my dead grandma.
 
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I like praying to St Anthony - he’s helped me find several lost things !
 
Nothing is impossible with God, He does not build walls between us and our departed loved ones, yet rather He builds upon His kingdom. Saints can and do intercede, especially to those who have faith and believe. My wife and I, well, we really do BELIEVE, the results of surviving a demonic attack about 9 years ago.

This Christmas my wife and I conceived a baby. Our hearts were crushed in late January when my wife suffered through a miscarriage, this was her first pregnancy so the pain was extra tough on us. We were so devastated, we sat on the couch most of the next day sobbing and trying to comfort each other. To make a long story short, there was this little lamp on an end table that we were planning to put in the nursery we had been fixing up for our expected baby. Without being plugged in or being touched it lit up bright pink, twice! Without hesitation I turned to my wife, I didn’t have time to say a word before she said “I saw it too.” We went from complete devastation to being in complete awe of God in an instant. Tears of sadness became tears of joy at a time we thought we would never know happiness again. We knew then that our baby was a little girl. We named her Katie Francis, aka our precious little “Happy Feet.” This is but one of the many miracles we have received since her passing, such as the two tiny pink feet that appear in the sky in a picture just above a memorial cross I built for her.

Never doubt or question how our departed loved ones intercede to comfort us. God engineered us and He knows what it is that connects us to our departed loved ones. The signs are not tricks of the brain, they are miracles, God’s loving grace, hugs from heaven. No one should question another person’s signs as God speaks to them in a language or way that only they will understand.

God bless.
 
He does tell us in a paraphrased way,
how they(good spirits) won’t speak to us (his and my semantics maybe confusing just read it again if so) so that we can discern who we are really speaking to. Also Roman’s 12: … do not be conformed to this world , but be continuously transformed by the renewing of your minds so that you may be able to determine what God’s will is—what is proper, pleasing, and perfect.

Check this out:
http://www.ldysinger.com/ThSp_599z_SpDir/01_intr_models/00a_start.htm

You don’t have to practice divination to be attacked by spirits, they often do come to you especially In certain locales or “conduits” and imitate your lost ones. Just be careful, when it starts interfering with your daily life, or you have a feeling things aren’t right, pray and discern with the Holy Spirit or just do exactly what the professional told you when they interact more than just through a simple bird or so
 
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I place my trust in Jesus, and I also pray every day to Mary and St. Joseph and St. Michael.
If I felt in fear of demons I would simply ask Jesus to make them go away, and also pray for the intercession of Mother Mary, St. Joseph and St. Michael, plus probably St. Benedict and St. Patrick and a few other saints. And I would throw some holy water. And that would be that.

No need to fear demons, or fear anything really, when our God is all-powerful. St. Teresa of Avila said that.
 
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I don’t know about purgatory but if in hell I doubt they see much of anything here clearly if at all unless their king there! , just those in heaven primairly. I was trying to make a point to the others to practice discernment with prayer and requests in all sincerity and peace, seeking out new age stuff like was being described or even demanding as the last poster described "don’t question how our loved ones INTERCEDE? ".
C’mon a bit too far there, obviously your points of using caution most definitely have some saving grace and practicality, and we’re all learning together in this dark world with only the light of the church, and the love of Christ to guide us.
 
I think my dead infant and dead mom just told me to dig them up and kill kittens and feast on their blood together! , that comforts me!. eh no! You do question them, just because we as sinners build up to that (maybe not that far) don’t mean it won’t happen. you are wrong, to not question the Great Deceiver or his minions… BUT ONCE YOU KNOW AND IT PASSES THE TEST, DONT DOUBT IT! But blindly believing and following every supernatural or extraordinary sign can be detrimental to us I’m sure… saying the Lord’s prayer if anything asks God to “deliver us from evil.” As we may often add to our prayers, “oh my Jesus, save us from the fires of hell…”

I know I do and I don’t doubt these prayers help us in discerning right and wrong and even how to determine a seemingly good spirits hypothetical supernatural comminicarions to us from the Abyss.
 
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I’m not comfortable with every potential occurrence to be taken as a sign, as there is likely to be emotional projection, which may emotionally help, or alternatively, delay healthy healing.

I’ve lost siblings, including a brother in a fiery crash in 2002, my mother to pulmonary embolism, my Dad to cancer, my stepmother to cancer, several cousins to accidents and illnesses.
I find comfort, for instance in the most recent of these deaths, my beloved Dad, by having his gorgeous photo in a couple of rooms, with his face full of love and his twinkling eyes. But also comfort in that my Dad suffered awful pain, but he died with such faith and dignity, refusing morphine until each of his eight surviving children, our spouses, and our children, were all able to say goodbye. And I’m thankful that dear man is no longer in pain.
I take comfort that when he was unconscious as we understood, I whispered in his ear, “Daddy, I wrote you a song, and John wrote the music, and (two of his grandchildren) J… and C… sing it.” A little tear ran from his eye down his nose.The hymn/song played as his coffin was carried to the hearse.

For me it’s the memories, and the admiration we all have for the wonderful man he was, so I don’t need ‘signs’ and dont really feel comfortable with them because I think we can so easily fool ourselves and fail to respond with spiritual maturity.
Yet some of us need some indication that our loved ones are still aware of us, are around, are in heaven…

I did dream about my steppmother though. She’d found it hard as a lifeling single woman to adapt to nine children, including four teenage daughters, so she wasn’t always kind, for many years. The dream seemed very real. I said to her, "I forgive you. Will you please forgive me (because I had never felt able to trust her). Because though I was always kind, I never trusted her, and that’s a sad failure, really. Maybe this dream, was a gift from God, or maybe what I needed to dream.

Perhaps some people have more signs of other kinds, none of us can really judge others’ experiences or imaginings, whatever the case may be. But I tend to be cautious.Too much dependence on signs or spiritual experiences can potentially atrophy our healing and our spiritual development.
 
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