Pastafarianism!!!

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Vasian said:
Then you have faith that there is not a creator.

Well… do you or do you not have evidence?
You state, “evidence of science” then please present your "evidence of science that proves this is no creator.
I’ll wait right here:thumbsup:

I started responding to you catagorcialy w/o reading completely through you diatribe.
Then, I stopped and read through it.
I think I had a hit of what your are presently on back in about 68’.

I pray, that you will pray directly to our Lord and God for your hardened heart to be softened, and accept our Lord into your heart:thumbsup:👍
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I have faith in a God, just not a deity or creator. There is overwhelming observable evidence proving evolution/science, while the only thing proving God is the ability to point out holes in evolution/science. Science evolves per se. We had science before we knew of gravity, or evolution, but today, we couldn’t have modern science without gravity or evolution. The holes in evolution are being continuously filled. The only thing I have faith in is that science will evolve, which I base on observation of history. Science by definition is the pursuit of filling those holes.

I can’t disprove a creator. But that’s not because he must exist, but rather because of his nature. He cannot be seen, heard, felt, smelled, or tasted. One has to justify God by excuses. Like, he’s changing the results of scientific experiments so that we don’t get the right answer. I mean, if he’s invisible, why worship him? If he’s invisible, he doesn’t do anything, does he? Nothing you can prove. Or disprove. He could do anything, being invisible. Of course, so could the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Anyone can believe whatever they want, as long as they make it a rule that rules don’t have to apply to what they believe in.

And I must be on drugs, of course, if I believe in scientific theories I can see in effect rather than in an invisible guy.

I won’t pray for you, or hope for you to change or anything. Not out of being childish or anything, but rather because your beliefs are harmless, as are mine. As I said to the other guy, it’s what you do for others that counts. Good luck, take care.

Peace.
 
Jars_of_Clay said:
Nah, Festivus is for the Restovus! (This is a hilarious thread! Thanks for the smiles! :rotfl: :whacky:)
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Gyarrgh, ye be welcome, scallywag! I hope ye will join me on International Talk Like a Pirate Day! If not, I be afraid I must push ye off the plank with me hook!

Yers truly,

(Cap’n) PantheistsRule
 
Vasian said:
My neighbor is an atheist and he linked me to that site.
He grew up a 7th Day Adventist, went on to 7th day college in Walla, Walla. Had a bad experience with a professor over some doctrinal issue and then went atheist.
(that is how he shared the story with me)
It does seem that most atheists I’ve met have had some sort of negative experience with Christianity, and/or are angry at Christianity.
I state this because I never hear them railing against any other form of religion. Only Christian orgs.
Interesting.
And, I guess it is an accurate statement to state that atheists are people of faith as well.

After all, they have no empirical evidence that there is not a Creator.

They place their faith** in an ideology that claims there is no Creator. **
As I do for my good neighbor, I pray for you too.
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That is interesting, because there are athiests that will tell you that the possibility of God exists, but it is very very unlikely.
Who told you that this is what athiests believe? I hope, not your priest.
 
StrawberryJam said:
That is interesting, because there are athiests that will tell you that the possibility of God exists, but it is very very unlikely.
Who told you that this is what athiests believe? I hope, not your priest.
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Well put.
 
PantheistsRule said:
Well put.
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I hope you don’t mind be butting in but my son-in-law is a athiest and I find that most of the time we talk about God. He is the one who starts the converstation but not in a negative way. I know where he stands and he knows where I stand. He respects my opinion and beliefs and I, out of respect, respect his. We don’t argue about it, we actually have nice discussions on the subject. I show him some of my sermons and Bible study work and he comments on them and I in return. Now he will tell me, not in a mean way to f— my God, I guess to see my reaction but I just smile and carry on our conversation. Now he does tell me that he has no problem with my grandchildren going to church and he has proven that. He said that he will not push his beliefs on his children and he, so far, has proven that as well. I believe the reason he wants to talk religion is because he in not sure he is right or wrong. Maybe one day he will become a Christian. Now besides that he really is a nice loving man to me, my wife and his family.
 
rev_kevin said:
I hope you don’t mind be butting in but my son-in-law is a athiest and I find that most of the time we talk about God. He is the one who starts the converstation but not in a negative way. I know where he stands and he knows where I stand. He respects my opinion and beliefs and I, out of respect, respect his. We don’t argue about it, we actually have nice discussions on the subject. I show him some of my sermons and Bible study work and he comments on them and I in return. Now he will tell me, not in a mean way to f— my God, I guess to see my reaction but I just smile and carry on our conversation. Now he does tell me that he has no problem with my grandchildren going to church and he has proven that. He said that he will not push his beliefs on his children and he, so far, has proven that as well. I believe the reason he wants to talk religion is because he in not sure he is right or wrong. Maybe one day he will become a Christian. Now besides that he really is a nice loving man to me, my wife and his family.
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If only we were all better at respecting one another. Most people aren’t, including myself from time to time. I’m easily sucked into arguments with others about religion, especially when they come at me denouncing my religiously liberal outlook, saying how they hope I’ll “turn back to the truth”, and that my science and logic is more bulls–t than their religion. I tend not to respect others who don’t respect me, which is wrong, but natural, unfortunately.

Glad to see you’re tolerant of your son-in-law, and he’s tolerant of you. There’s nothing I hate more than intolerant people, again, including myself from time to time.
 
I have to admire the OP for concurrently holding four religious beliefs
  1. Pantheism
  2. Agnosticism
  3. FSM
  4. Atheism
Amazing!
 
Vasian said:
And, I guess it is an accurate statement to state that atheists are people of faith as well.

After all, they have no empirical evidence that there is not a Creator.

They place their faith in an ideology that claims there is no Creator.
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I also don’t have empirical evidence that there’s no Bigfoot, but my lack of belief in Bigfoot is not a “faith.”

It doesn’t take faith to reject a claim for which there’s no evidence.

aborodki:
Instead of " railing against organized religion" why not start a charity that will feed, clothe or help people?
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There are plenty of secular charities and non-theist individuals who are involved in charity. Your mistaken impression that atheists just sit around all day “railing against organized religion” comes from the fact that you know so few of them.

Incidentally, I find it hysterical that a person can say in one breath that others should be more concerned with charity and then in the next breath call universal healthcare – something that nearly every other first-world country on earth provides for its citizens – “BS.”

You just can’t make it up!
 
aborodki said:
You want to convince us that there is legitimacy to your position? Put your money where your mouth is----start your own half-way houses, your own homeless shelters, your own charities.
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And while we’re at it, the legitimacy of a position is not demonstrated by the amount of charity that its adherents engage in.

For example, you do realize that Hamas runs charity groups, don’t you? Their charity doesn’t give those nutjobs legitimacy. Consequently, charity and legitimacy are entirely separate concepts.
 
I thought it was a banned topic since our last thread got so out of hand.

any way it is not Atkins-friendly so I will have to abstain. and in any case I know I will be a minority here since I am definitely pro-alfredo and anti-marinara
 
AntiTheist said:
And while we’re at it, the legitimacy of a position is not demonstrated by the amount of charity that its adherents engage in.

For example, you do realize that Hamas runs charity groups, don’t you? Their charity doesn’t give those nutjobs legitimacy. Consequently, charity and legitimacy are entirely separate concepts.
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The charities from my understanding are a front for Hamas (funneling money for their own endeavors).

Edit: It would be nice that while non-believers are waxing poetic about how God doesn’t exist they can put more effort (as a community) in helping the poor and the needy and stop criticizing the ones (i.e., organized religion) that actually are.
 
I am considering converting to Pastafarianism, and I have a quick question…

Can a Pastafarian confess his culinary sins directly to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or must one seek reconciliation through Chef Boyardee?
 
kildare said:
I have to admire the OP for concurrently holding four religious beliefs
  1. Pantheism
  2. Agnosticism
  3. FSM
  4. Atheism
Amazing!
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a) I don’t recall ever saying I myself was an atheist.
b) The FSM… I won’t even go there. I’m not a Pastafarian, haha.
c) It’s plausible then, having established I am neither an atheist or Pastafarian, that I could be something of an “Agnostic Pantheist”, figuring that if there is a God, he’s a pantheistic God.
d) People are too particular and definite about religious beliefs. While religion is important to me, I’m very loose about my actual beliefs and try to define them as little as possible. If everyone was like that, no one would fight over religion, which would mean no Jihadists or Fundamentalist Christian nutjobs blowing up abortion clinics.
 
rick43235 said:
I am considering converting to Pastafarianism, and I have a quick question…

Can a Pastafarian confess his culinary sins directly to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or must one seek reconciliation through Chef Boyardee?
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Chef Boyardee is an infidel. He enslaves our noodly brothers and restricts them to living as slaves in tin cans until cooked and devoured by small children. I was strongly considering getting my scurvy crew together for a Jihad…
 
PantheistsRule said:
Blackbeard, of course. King of all Pirates, the Pastafarian equivalent of Moses or Elijah.
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Surely Monsieur Creosote (the famously gluttonous exploding diner of Monty Python fame) would be far more of a danger to He of the Noodly Appendange than any number of piratical types?
 
josie_L said:
Edit: It would be nice that while non-believers are waxing poetic about how God doesn’t exist they can put more effort (as a community) in helping the poor and the needy and stop criticizing the ones (i.e., organized religion) that actually are.
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There’s no organized non-religious community. Which is kind of the point, actually, of being non-religious, not belonging to a religious community. Since there’s no church of non-theists to raise money and give time and service as a group, what your argument boils down to is “Individual non-theists should be able to do as much or more service than the centuries old incredibly wealthy organization of which I am a member”. Doesn’t sound fair, eh?
 
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