Pastor Steve Anderson wants to help you Catholic idolaters

[MichaelP3]

I just hope everyone understands that Pastor Anderson does represent Protestantism.

Well you know what they say: what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. I have numerous Protestant friends who believe that if a Catholic says something here then it represents Catholicism. Shouldn’t it then be equally true that Anderson’s statement represent Protestantism?

“With whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you.” Matthew 7:2

Well I must say I am somewhat disappointed by these posts, although I saw it became somewhat witty later on.

Correct me if I am wrong but this came kinda at the same time you had some concern regarding the thread about the Bible group thing and the sign of the cross making a prayer valid. It may have been a “thing” building up.

But that being said you seriously misunderstood me. Having replied to my posts for more than a year I would expect you to know I am very well aware of what Catholics “should” think. Yes you have Catholics with some “strange” views. You should know that I know this if you actually read the posts you replied to.

So yes, I do know “all” Catholics do not believe the sign of the cross is needed to make a prayer valid (Anyone confused go see the posts in the Bible study posts and decide for yourself). I knew this and you know that. I was just taking my experience on this forum into account that me as a “Protestant” correcting this person will either get silence or even some “poster” defending the other side. So I left it for a Catholic to rectify and gave my gratitude. That was all it was. Check the post and see that. And also as I said, you have replied to me before, many many times. I do know better!

Regards

 

[Peter_J]

Well I must say I am somewhat disappointed by these posts, although I saw it became somewhat witty later on.

Correct me if I am wrong but this came kinda at the same time you had some concern regarding the thread about the Bible group thing and the sign of the cross making a prayer valid. It may have been a “thing” building up.

But that being said you seriously misunderstood me. Having replied to my posts for more than a year I would expect you to know I am very well aware of what Catholics “should” think. Yes you have Catholics with some “strange” views. You should know that I know this if you actually read the posts you replied to.

So yes, I do know “all” Catholics do not believe the sign of the cross is needed to make a prayer valid (Anyone confused go see the posts in the Bible study posts and decide for yourself). I knew this and you know that. I was just taking my experience on this forum into account that me as a “Protestant” correcting this person will either get silence or even some “poster” defending the other side. So I left it for a Catholic to rectify and gave my gratitude. That was all it was. Check the post and see that. And also as I said, you have replied to me before, many many times. I do know better!

Regards

Hi. I think you misunderstand me, I’m not talking about you and I’m sorry if I came across as attacking you. I’ve spent a lot of time on internet discussion forums since 2005 (starting with ByzCath, but that’s beside the point) so I’ve got a pretty good idea of what patterns of behavior to expect. (Side note: I tend to think that things on Protestant forums are much like on Catholic forums, just in a mirror image kind of way.)

So yes, I do know “all” Catholics do not believe the sign of the cross is needed to make a prayer valid

But that’s the thing: why not read “The SOC is needed to make a prayer valid” and say “Aha so Catholics believe that then!” Presumably because you agree with the saying “Don’t believe everything you read.”

 

[MichaelP3]

Hi. I think you misunderstand me, I’m not talking about you and I’m sorry if I came across as attacking you. I’ve spent a lot of time on internet discussion forums since 2005 (starting with ByzCath, but that’s beside the point) so I’ve got a pretty good idea of what patterns of behavior to expect. (Side note: I tend to think that things on Protestant forums are much like on Catholic forums, just in a mirror image kind of way.)

Fair enough. I haven’t been on here that long. The timing was just very coincidental. And yes, I do follow your posts everywhere on here as you are my favourite poster. I have told my wife numerous times, aside from the Pope, if there would be any Catholic I would like to drink a beer with and have a chat, it would be Peter J.

But that’s the thing: why not read “The SOC is needed to make a prayer valid” and say “Aha so Catholics believe that then!” Presumably because you agree with the saying “Don’t believe everything you read.”

Very valid point. But as you stated it, wouldn’t that be something to take up with the Catholic in question? It is a question I have been asking myself here many times. I have studied the Catechism from cover to cover in every way possible. I know what a Catholic should do. (Well maybe not if you need someone to interpret the Catechism as well). Why do Catholics rather focus on the “Protestant heresy” and ignore things like that SOC problem which only 2 posters responded to. There was how many Catholics but they all missed it? Why? A question I am still wondering about?

Regards

 

[Peter_J]

Fair enough. I haven’t been on here that long. The timing was just very coincidental. And yes, I do follow your posts everywhere on here as you are my favourite poster. I have told my wife numerous times, aside from the Pope, if there would be any Catholic I would like to drink a beer with and have a chat, it would be Peter J.

Oh my!

Just do me a favor and don’t say that around anyone who thinks the pope is the anti-Christ.

But seriously, I think you’re really too kind in your assessment.

Very valid point. But as you stated it, wouldn’t that be something to take up with the Catholic in question? It is a question I have been asking myself here many times. I have studied the Catechism from cover to cover in every way possible. I know what a Catholic should do. (Well maybe not if you need someone to interpret the Catechism as well). Why do Catholics rather focus on the “Protestant heresy” and ignore things like that SOC problem which only 2 posters responded to. There was how many Catholics but they all missed it? Why? A question I am still wondering about?

Regards

Well a couple thoughts. First I would point out that even the YouTube videos I referred to earlier didn’t have Protestants and Catholics respectively saying “That doesn’t represent all of us” so I wouldn’t expect that for a post on an internet discussion forum.

That being said, if someone had started a thread on CAF, or any other forum I’m on, asking about those videos, I think that I and or other Catholics would surely have said "Don’t worry, that video doesn’t represent us. (Kind of like what Protestants said on this thread wrt Mr. Anderson’s video.)

*But it takes someone asking. *

 

[MichaelP3]

Oh my!

Just do me a favor and don’t say that around anyone who thinks the pope is the anti-Christ.

But seriously, I think you’re really too kind in your assessment.

No worries… I Am not in that kinda Protestant church.

Well a couple thoughts. First I would point out that even the YouTube videos I referred to earlier didn’t have Protestants and Catholics respectively saying “That doesn’t represent all of us” so I wouldn’t expect that for a post on an internet discussion forum.

That being said, if someone had started a thread on CAF, or any other forum I’m on, asking about those videos, I think that I and or other Catholics would surely have said "Don’t worry, that video doesn’t represent us. (Kind of like what Protestants said on this thread wrt Mr. Anderson’s video.)

*But it takes someone asking. *

Well I am not really sure how you answered my question (That is if you actually tried to)?

 

[CatholicSheila]

I was annoyed until he mentioned how the Pope was in England during the reformation.

Then I laughed.

 

[Peter_J]

No worries… I Am not in that kinda Protestant church.

Well I am not really sure how you answered my question (That is if you actually tried to)?

Okay, good point.

You asked,

Originally Posted by Peter J
But that’s the thing: why not read “The SOC is needed to make a prayer valid” and say “Aha so Catholics believe that then!” Presumably because you agree with the saying “Don’t believe everything you read.”

My answer would have to be a No. (But please also look again at what I said last post, as I think it is more interesting than No. )

Hence why I said 'you agree with the saying “Don’t believe everything you read.” ’

Anyhow, to try to tie this into the greater issue, Catholics who post on CAF – whether “traditionalist” or whatever – are not the boss of me, as the saying goes.

 

[Church_Militant]

That guy is apparently a 1611 KJB onlyist which is kinda funny since not a single one of them I have ever met actually uses a 1611 Edition KJB which contains the Deuterocanonical books. They really flip out when I ask to see their Bible and check it and then tell them it’s not the 1611 Edition at which point they usually nearly have a stroke.

BTW…the comments from VitamAeternam on there are mine. I doubt they’ll leave 'em because it refutes his stuff.

 

[Wannano]

Heh. Okay I guess you win on that one … if having an account on the Catholic Answers Forum is the criterion for representing Protestants.

That being said, my conscience has been bothering me since I said Mr Anderson represents Protestants. I think what might make us all equally happy is if we said Mr Anderson represents Christians.

Oh, ooh, if we are equally happy we would be discovering unity. Therese, a poster above says the only unity in Protestantism is protesting so I had better keep up my end of the expectations and protest what you just said. You suggested that if we say Mr. Anderson represents Christians we would be equally happy, no, I must protest and say “no, it would make us equally unhappy.”

 

[po18guy]

I’m appalled and amazed that such vitriole still exists.

Never mind Catholicism, try defending even Martin Luther’s firmly-held beliefs on YouTube and you will feel the wrath.

 

[Church_Militant]

This was my response…

You don’t really know what you’re talking about. If the Hail Mary is wrong, why is it taken from the Word of God in the Gospel of Luke as spoken by the archangel Gabriel? If the author of Hebrews tells us that we are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses as we race to the Kingdom of God then how is asking for the intercession of those same saintly witnesses wrong? That’s right there in the Word of God. Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about. The Pope was never in England and such a thing never happened. I’d love to see your historical source for that outright lie but I doubt you can produce one. You obviously don’t know the Bible you claim to believe since the Eucharistic Real Presence of Christ is plainly stated by St. Paul in 1st Corinthians 11:23-30. How else could someone receiving communion in grave sin become “guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.” The only horror I see in your video is your lack of scripture and your historical lies. There are no idols, gods or goddesses in Catholicism.so please don’t lie to your people like that. Show a source for your remarks and I’ll show you that you have been deceived and are deceiving others. If asking the intercession of saints is wrong the why do you ask for prayers for each other?

 

[Peter_J]

You suggested that if we say Mr. Anderson represents Christians we would be equally happy, no, I must protest and say “no, it would make us equally unhappy.”

OIC, you’re a ‘glass is half empty’ kind of guy. :ehh:

 

[Cathoholic]

AugustTherese. You said (here) regarding Pastor Steve Anderson’s anti-Catholic ranting . . . . .

“It was to fulfill the word that is written in their law, ‘They hated me without a cause’.” John 15:25

ergo,

“If they have called the master of the house Beelzebul, how much more will they malign those of his household!” Matthew 10:24

This was a very perceptive post. Thanks for the insights.

God bless.

Cathoholic

 

[Cathoholic]

Robert in SD. You mentioned (here) . . . .

I’m guessing that somewhere in his past is a Catholic person that really hurt him. (Just a hunch.) Pastor Anderson, I’ll pray for you and hope that you are healed from whatever hurt is driving you to preach in such an angry way.

I too see this man as having some sort of great pain. (It may or may not have come from a Catholic person though).

Very great pain.

(Just as you are, I am praying for him as well as I am sure many here are.)