Pastor Wright invited to speak at St Sabina Catholic Church in Chicago

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During the Pastor Wright controversy, I was thankful that I had never heard his brand of hate speech in a Catholic Church
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Although we do have some left leaning Clergy, none to my knowledge, had gone so far as to embrace this so called “Liberation Theology”

Well I may be wrong. It seems that Pastor Wright was invited to speak at Saint Sabina’s Catholic Church in Chicago by its Pastor Pfleiger…

Read about it here:
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I am embarrassed that my church would associate with this kind of hate in any way.

It makes me wonder just what it means to be Catholic.

Don1852
 
I was listening to Bill O’Reilly’s Radio Factor earlier & he said that Father Pfleiger (sp?) is going to be on The O’Reilly Factor tonight. A video clip was shown last night of Rev. & Mrs. Wright coming up to what looked like the Altar at St. Sabina’s church, which is a predominantly African-American Parish & Fr. Pfleiger was really clapping & welcoming them. It appeared to be a love fest. 😊
 
I think that a lot of people have little experience of preaching outside of their own churches (or churches filled with their own race), so they have little info for comparison. Catholics who are only used to a homily tied to the readings might be startled at what other churches do.

There have been many preachers with fiery and controversial sermons that may seem quite out of hand to other people in our country’s history. I think that having Rev. Wright visit is a good opportunity for getting some straight answers from him directly on what he does or does not believe. He wasn’t preaching at this parish or being given an award, so I don’t have a problem with him being invited for another purpose. I don’t see it as “associating with hate.”

During slavery, Jim Crow and the civil rights activism of the 50s-70s, the country was not exactly being extolled for its humanity and compassion from every pulpit. I grew up hearing preaching in many different Protestant churches with black congregations. I think that most white Americans would be uncomfortable in almost any black Protestant church at some point based on the way that they tackle racial issues among other things head-on from the pulpit. Not all of them preach the extreme brand of liberation theology, but with the black congregations starting out segregated because of slavery and Jim Crow most of them have at least an element of it in the preaching at some point.

While many of us may be very uncomfortable or angry with the exact wording and/or sentiments we heard in some of the brief video clips that have been shown over and over again as “proof” of what Rev. Wright supposedly has proclaimed for his entire 30 years of ministry, I take it all with a grain of salt. If we think that every show, including Bill O’ Reilly does not spin stories, then we are woefully ignorant of how the media works.

I think it is unfair to judge a man’s entire career or life’s work based on a few minutes of videotape. Much of this appears more like scandal mongering than anything else given how the story has been covered. As Catholics, perhaps we should ask ourselves why we watch commentary shows on Fox and other “news” networks that routinely follow scandal and rudely shout over or bash on anyone who does not share the viewpoint of the hosts. Remember when Sean Hannity treated that priest so badly who challenged him about proclaiming his disobedience/disagreement with the church on things like contraception and fasting/abstinence while also promoting himself as a “faithful” Catholic?

If many or most of Wright’s Sunday sermons had been nearly as controversial or offensive as the bits shown repeatedly on TV, then I believe we would have seen a lot more different taped scenes by now. I’m sure that people who are relishing the scandal have been busily digging for more damaging bits, so where are they if this fairly represents the man’s whole life? His honorable service in the Marines and many decades of helping the poor have virtually been ignored while he is bashed as unpatriotic or anti-American. I believe that very few of us would look good if our worst moments had been caught on video. I don’t expect the whole world to ignore the decades of good work based on the current political climate where this man’s failings suddenly seem so much worse than our own sins. Therefore, I’m not going to condemn other religious people including the priest who want to continue to work with Wright or speak with him.

We should pray for Rev. Wright and use this opportunity to have a deeper and more honest discussion of race relations and foreign policy and domestic policy in this country.
 
This black liberation theology that has been discussed lately (Wright’s philosophy) sounds just like the liberation theology that was condemned years ago by the Pope. The condemnation came about because liberal priests in Latin America were becoming involved in politics and being immersed in liberation theology which advocated violent overthrow to achieve goals.

The article I read today says that Wright’s church is based on a book advocating the destruction of whites. That doesn’t sound like Christian teaching to me, or a one time sermon that took place in his church. I’ll have to look for the website. (Here it is.)

washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080401/NATION/766118950/1001
church founded on radical creed - - The Washington Times, America’s Newspaper

I have to wonder about this Catholic priest!
 
jc-servant said:
The video clips shows a Preacher, a man of God with very radical, hate-filled views. Black Liberation Theology I understand it’s called. Anyone who thinks that it was an isolated incident may be woefully ignorant. Of course, he could have been possessed momentarily:rolleyes: . As far as why he was invited to St. Sabina’s church, I’m sure Father Pfleiger will give an explanation tonight. I’m 52 years old & I know spin when I see or hear it. As a matter of fact, I was quite dizzy after reading your post.
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Father Pfleger is no stranger to us Chicagoans.

Seems to me that he must have some kind of bet with Jesse Jackson on who can get himself on TV more often. Jackson is winning, but its actually not a blowout! 😃

I think he really does mean well and intend the best for his parishoners. That said, I think has has about as much objectivity on the subject matter as Pastor Wright himself. If good intentions could solve problems, he’d be a true hero. But they don’t and from his behavior it often seems he trusts his own judgement and gut feel more than the teachings of the Church.
 
Jabronie said:
Can someone look at their websites (saintsabina.org/
and saintsabina.org/legacywebsite.html) explain to me how exactly this is a Catholic Church?
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Yeah, that’s disturbing. It doesn’t list “mass times”, but “worship services”, it states that “all are welcome to taste and see the goodness of the Lord”, which sounds, to me, like a euphamism for open Communion, and there seems to be an aweful lot of nonCatholic ministers on their schedule. I wonder when these folks are speaking? If it’s during mass, in place of the homily, that’s a huge abuse. If it wasn’t for the fact that no Protestant church would be named for St. Sabina, and the website does identify itself as a “word preaching, bible based, African American Catholic church” (as opposed to all those non bible based, non word preaching churches the rest of belong to :rolleyes: ), you wouldn’t guess in a million years that it’s a Catholic Church.

In Christ,

Ellen
 
Lucania said:
The video clips shows a Preacher, a man of God with very radical, hate-filled views. Black Liberation Theology I understand it’s called. Anyone who thinks that it was an isolated incident may be woefully ignorant. Of course, he could have been possessed momentarily:rolleyes: . As far as why he was invited to St. Sabina’s church, I’m sure Father Pfleiger will give an explanation tonight. I’m 52 years old & I know spin when I see or hear it. As a matter of fact, I was quite dizzy after reading your post.
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Father Pfleiger was shown on tv cheering him on…
 
jc-servant said:
I think that a lot of people have little experience of preaching outside of their own churches (or churches filled with their own race), so they have little info for comparison. Catholics who are only used to a homily tied to the readings might be startled at what other churches do.

There have been many preachers with fiery and controversial sermons that may seem quite out of hand to other people in our country’s history. I think that having Rev. Wright visit is a good opportunity for getting some straight answers from him directly on what he does or does not believe. He wasn’t preaching at this parish or being given an award, so I don’t have a problem with him being invited for another purpose. I don’t see it as “associating with hate.”
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Of course, of course, well yes maybe you’d like some experience with some poor white liberation theology at your church then too.
 
aimee said:
Father Pfleiger was shown on tv cheering him on…
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I know. Aimee you must have missed my post #3. He’s going to be on The O’Reilly Factor in a few minutes at 8:00. I’m going to watch it.
 
Well, I watched the show, but Father Pfleiger was not on it:shrug: .
 
Lucania said:
Well, I watched the show, but Father Pfleiger was not on it:shrug: .
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I figure that Father Pfleiger bailed at the last moment. I’m surprised O’Reilly did not say something.

Did you notice the segment on “Exotic Pets”. It had no time value… just the type of thing that would be kept as a filler piece when needed. I doubt that it was on the original schedule.

Don1852
 
Don1852 said:
I figure that Father Pfleiger bailed at the last moment. I’m surprised O’Reilly did not say something.

Did you notice the segment on “Exotic Pets”. It had no time value… just the type of thing that would be kept as a filler piece when needed. I doubt that it was on the original schedule.

Don1852
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I was thinking that Father bailed out, too, and yes that was an odd segment about the Exotic Pets!!🤷 .
 
Lucania said:
I know. Aimee you must have missed my post #3. He’s going to be on The O’Reilly Factor in a few minutes at 8:00. I’m going to watch it.
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:eek: Yes I did miss it:blush:

I was begining to think I’d missed O’Reilly but I see he wasn’t on…

a no show :hmmm:
 
ALLGIRLS said:
Yeah, that’s disturbing. It doesn’t list “mass times”, but “worship services”, it states that “all are welcome to taste and see the goodness of the Lord”, which sounds, to me, like a euphamism for open Communion, and there seems to be an aweful lot of nonCatholic ministers on their schedule. I wonder when these folks are speaking? If it’s during mass, in place of the homily, that’s a huge abuse. If it wasn’t for the fact that no Protestant church would be named for St. Sabina, and the website does identify itself as a “word preaching, bible based, African American Catholic church” (as opposed to all those non bible based, non word preaching churches the rest of belong to :rolleyes: ), you wouldn’t guess in a million years that it’s a Catholic Church.

In Christ,

Ellen
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I’ve worked with many who attend services at St. Sabina’s who are proud Protestants. While I’ve never been to St. Sabina’s I’ve attended serivces at other Catholic churches in the Archdiocese that were predominantley black and two things I noticed were that they NEVER recite the creed nor do they kneel during the consecration (don’t even have kneelers). One priest (who definitely leans on the liberal side) told me its because most parishoners are Baptist converts and they wanted to make them feel comfortable and make the mass similar to Baptist services.
 
Lucania said:
The video clips shows a Preacher, a man of God with very radical, hate-filled views. Black Liberation Theology I understand it’s called. Anyone who thinks that it was an isolated incident may be woefully ignorant. Of course, he could have been possessed momentarily:rolleyes: . As far as why he was invited to St. Sabina’s church, I’m sure Father Pfleiger will give an explanation tonight. I’m 52 years old & I know spin when I see or hear it. As a matter of fact, I was quite dizzy after reading your post.
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Rev. Wright's is nothing more than a Bigot and a Racist and if Catholics or anyone aligns his or herself with him, or even tolerates this hateful and detestable philosophy, they are Racist and Bigoted by association and complacency.:mad:
 
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