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I know, thanks.
Pat Buchanan Comments on Why George W. Bush Really Invaded Iraq
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Peter_Atlanta
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Itâs very rare that I agree with Buchanan but his assessment of the influence of the NeoCons is 100% correct.
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gilliam
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Buchananâs article is from 2003. Are you saying that neocons (aka Jews) are running Washington today? Can you name them? Who on the cabinet is Jewish? Most of the people who write for National Review, for example, are Roman Catholics. Maybe we have taken over the government? Is that a possibility?
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This is a recent three part study by Professor Kevin MacDonald (http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/) and it explains the current Middle East problems:Buchananâs article is from 2003. Are you saying that neocons (aka Jews) are running Washington today? Can you name them? Who on the cabinet is Jewish? Most of the people who write for National Review, for example, are Roman Catholics. Maybe we have taken over the government? Is that a possibility?
Understanding Jewish Influence I:
Background Traits for Jewish Activism
Kevin MacDonald
Abstract
Beginning in the ancient world, Jewish populations have repeatedly attained a position of power and influence within Western societies. I will discuss Jewish background traits conducive to influence: ethnocentrism, intelligence and wealth, psychological intensity, aggressiveness, with most of the focus on ethnocentrism. I discuss Jewish ethnocentrism in its historical, anthropological, and evolutionary context and in its relation to three critical psychological processes: moral particularism, self-deception, and the powerful Jewish tendency to coalesce into exclusionary, authoritarian groups under conditions of perceived threat.
Jewish populations have always had enormous effects on the societies in which they reside because of several qualities that are central to Judaism as a group evolutionary strategy: First and foremost, Jews are ethnocentric and able to cooperate in highly organized, cohesive, and effective groups. Also important is high intelligence, including the usefulness of intelligence in attaining wealth, prominence in the media, and eminence in the academic world and the legal profession. I will also discuss two other qualities that have received less attention: psychological intensity and aggressiveness.
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Complete article at http://www.theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol3no2/km-understanding.html
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Understanding Jewish Influence II:
Zionism and the Internal Dynamics of Judaism
Kevin MacDonald
The history of Zionism illustrates a dynamic within the Jewish community in which the most radical elements end up pulling the entire community in their direction. Zionism began among the most ethnocentric Eastern European Jews and had explicitly racialist and nationalist overtones. However, Zionism was viewed as dangerous among the wider Jewish community, especially the partially assimilated Jews in Western countries, because it opened Jews up to charges of disloyalty and because the Zionistsâ open racialism and ethnocentric nationalism conflicted with the assimilationist strategy then dominant among Western Jews. Zionist activists eventually succeeded in making Zionism a mainstream Jewish movement, due in large part to the sheer force of numbers of the Eastern European vanguard. Over time, the more militant, expansionist Zionists (the Jabotinskyists, the Likud Party, fundamentalists, and West Bank settlers) have won the day and have continued to push for territorial expansion within Israel. This has led to conflicts with Palestinians and a widespread belief among Jews that Israel itself is threatened. The result has been a heightened group consciousness among Jews and ultimately support for Zionist extremism among the entire organized American Jewish community.
In the first part of this series I discussed Jewish ethnocentrism as a central trait influencing the success of Jewish activism.1 In the contemporary world, the most important example of Jewish ethnocentrism and extremism is Zionism. In fact, Zionism is incredibly important. As of this writing, the United States has recently accomplished the destruction of the Iraqi regime, and it is common among influential Jews to advocate war between the United States and the entire Muslim world. In a recent issue of Commentary (an influential journal published by the American Jewish Committee), editor Norman Podhoretz states, âThe regimes that richly deserve to be overthrown and replaced are not confined to the three singled-out members of the axis of evil *. At a minimum, the axis should extend to Syria and Lebanon and Libya, as well as âfriendsâ of America like the Saudi royal family and Egyptâs Hosni Mubarak, along with the Palestinian Authority, whether headed by Arafat or one of his henchmen.â2 More than anything else, this is a list of countries that Israel doesnât like, and, as I discuss in the third part of this series, intensely committed Zionists with close links to Israel occupy prominent positions in the Bush administration, especially in the Department of Defense and on the staff of Vice President Dick Cheney. The long-term consequence of Zionism is that the U.S. is on the verge of attempting to completely transform the Arab/Muslim world to produce governments that accept Israel and whatever fate it decides for the Palestinians, and, quite possibly, to set the stage for further Israeli expansionism.
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Complete article at *http://www.theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol3no3/km-understandII.html
Zionism and the Internal Dynamics of Judaism
Kevin MacDonald
The history of Zionism illustrates a dynamic within the Jewish community in which the most radical elements end up pulling the entire community in their direction. Zionism began among the most ethnocentric Eastern European Jews and had explicitly racialist and nationalist overtones. However, Zionism was viewed as dangerous among the wider Jewish community, especially the partially assimilated Jews in Western countries, because it opened Jews up to charges of disloyalty and because the Zionistsâ open racialism and ethnocentric nationalism conflicted with the assimilationist strategy then dominant among Western Jews. Zionist activists eventually succeeded in making Zionism a mainstream Jewish movement, due in large part to the sheer force of numbers of the Eastern European vanguard. Over time, the more militant, expansionist Zionists (the Jabotinskyists, the Likud Party, fundamentalists, and West Bank settlers) have won the day and have continued to push for territorial expansion within Israel. This has led to conflicts with Palestinians and a widespread belief among Jews that Israel itself is threatened. The result has been a heightened group consciousness among Jews and ultimately support for Zionist extremism among the entire organized American Jewish community.
In the first part of this series I discussed Jewish ethnocentrism as a central trait influencing the success of Jewish activism.1 In the contemporary world, the most important example of Jewish ethnocentrism and extremism is Zionism. In fact, Zionism is incredibly important. As of this writing, the United States has recently accomplished the destruction of the Iraqi regime, and it is common among influential Jews to advocate war between the United States and the entire Muslim world. In a recent issue of Commentary (an influential journal published by the American Jewish Committee), editor Norman Podhoretz states, âThe regimes that richly deserve to be overthrown and replaced are not confined to the three singled-out members of the axis of evil *. At a minimum, the axis should extend to Syria and Lebanon and Libya, as well as âfriendsâ of America like the Saudi royal family and Egyptâs Hosni Mubarak, along with the Palestinian Authority, whether headed by Arafat or one of his henchmen.â2 More than anything else, this is a list of countries that Israel doesnât like, and, as I discuss in the third part of this series, intensely committed Zionists with close links to Israel occupy prominent positions in the Bush administration, especially in the Department of Defense and on the staff of Vice President Dick Cheney. The long-term consequence of Zionism is that the U.S. is on the verge of attempting to completely transform the Arab/Muslim world to produce governments that accept Israel and whatever fate it decides for the Palestinians, and, quite possibly, to set the stage for further Israeli expansionism.
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Complete article at *http://www.theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol3no3/km-understandII.html
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**Understanding Jewish Influence III:
Neoconservatism as a Jewish Movement**
Kevin MacDonald
Over the last year, there has been a torrent of articles on neoconservatism raising (usually implicitly) some difficult issues: Are neoconservatives different from other conservatives? Is neoconservatism a Jewish movement? Is it âanti-Semiticâ to say so?
The thesis presented here is that neoconservatism is indeed a Jewish intellectual and political movement. This paper is the final installment in a three-part series on Jewish activism and reflects many of the themes of the first two articles. The first paper in this series focused on the traits of ethnocentrism, intelligence, psychological intensity, and aggressiveness.1 These traits will be apparent here as well. The ethnocentrism of the neocons has enabled them to create highly organized, cohesive, and effective ethnic networks. Neoconservatives have also exhibited the high intelligence necessary for attaining eminence in the academic world, in the elite media and think tanks, and at the highest levels of government. They have aggressively pursued their goals, not only in purging more traditional conservatives from their positions of power and influence, but also in reorienting US foreign policy in the direction of hegemony and empire. Neoconservatism also illustrates the central theme of the second article in this series: In alliance with virtually the entire organized American Jewish community, neoconservatism is a vanguard Jewish movement with close ties to the most extreme nationalistic, aggressive, racialist and religiously fanatic elements within Israel.2
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Complete article at http://www.theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol4no2/km-understandIII.html
Also see http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books-Preface.html
Neoconservatism as a Jewish Movement**
Kevin MacDonald
Over the last year, there has been a torrent of articles on neoconservatism raising (usually implicitly) some difficult issues: Are neoconservatives different from other conservatives? Is neoconservatism a Jewish movement? Is it âanti-Semiticâ to say so?
The thesis presented here is that neoconservatism is indeed a Jewish intellectual and political movement. This paper is the final installment in a three-part series on Jewish activism and reflects many of the themes of the first two articles. The first paper in this series focused on the traits of ethnocentrism, intelligence, psychological intensity, and aggressiveness.1 These traits will be apparent here as well. The ethnocentrism of the neocons has enabled them to create highly organized, cohesive, and effective ethnic networks. Neoconservatives have also exhibited the high intelligence necessary for attaining eminence in the academic world, in the elite media and think tanks, and at the highest levels of government. They have aggressively pursued their goals, not only in purging more traditional conservatives from their positions of power and influence, but also in reorienting US foreign policy in the direction of hegemony and empire. Neoconservatism also illustrates the central theme of the second article in this series: In alliance with virtually the entire organized American Jewish community, neoconservatism is a vanguard Jewish movement with close ties to the most extreme nationalistic, aggressive, racialist and religiously fanatic elements within Israel.2
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Complete article at http://www.theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol4no2/km-understandIII.html
Also see http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/books-Preface.html
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So, it boils down to friends with the Arabs or friends with the Jews? Does it take long to figure that one out? 
Members of the Islam religion in 2000: 1.2 billion
Members of the Catholic religion in 2000: 1.06 billion
Iâm a little more concerned with radical Islamic jihad than I am with the Jewish culture. Am I wrong? Predjuced? Or brainwashed? Brainwashed, I suppose, is a possibility since I try really hard not to be predjudiced. I could also be very wrong. But Israel just does not make me as uncomfortable as Islamic run countries.
Members of the Islam religion in 2000: 1.2 billion
Members of the Catholic religion in 2000: 1.06 billion
Iâm a little more concerned with radical Islamic jihad than I am with the Jewish culture. Am I wrong? Predjuced? Or brainwashed? Brainwashed, I suppose, is a possibility since I try really hard not to be predjudiced. I could also be very wrong. But Israel just does not make me as uncomfortable as Islamic run countries.
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McDonald is an anti semiteâŚalthough he goes at it from a different angleâŚSo, it boils down to friends with the Arabs or friends with the Jews? Does it take long to figure that one out?
Members of the Islam religion in 2000: 1.2 billion
Members of the Catholic religion in 2000: 1.06 billion
Iâm a little more concerned with radical Islamic jihad than I am with the Jewish culture. Am I wrong? Predjuced? Or brainwashed? Brainwashed, I suppose, is a possibility since I try really hard not to be predjudiced. I could also be very wrong. But Israel just does not make me as uncomfortable as Islamic run countries.
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Because its true and you know it.
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Asian_Catholic
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But what do you think about his data? Do you believe it is valid? What parts? Why or why not? Do you believe the research is honest, or intentional fabrication?McDonald is an anti semiteâŚalthough he goes at it from a different angleâŚ
Thank you
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But what do you think about Pat Buchananâs data itself?
Thank you
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Asian Catholic:
No the research is not valid.But what do you think about his data? Do you believe it is valid? What parts? Why or why not? Do you believe the research is honest, or intentional fabrication?
Thank you
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With all due respect, I donât believe you read the three articles, they are very long. And I understand that you have to decide for yourself what you believe is worth reading and what is not. But I would be pleased if you read the three articles, and then document which exact pieces of data from the articles you believe are false. Also, do you believe the false pieces of data are honest mistakes based on poor research and/or poor sources, or do you believe MacDonald dishonestly fabricated the data for political reasons?
Thank you
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The political dynamics of the situation is a lot more complicated than this.
Regards.
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Asian Catholic:
And I will say his work isnt interesting to me and I have better things to do with my timeâŚ
Predictably, MacDonaldâs work on Jews has established a significant following among white supremacists and other right-wing extremists ready to embrace any argument promising a rationale for antisemitism.With all due respect, I donât believe you read the three articles, they are very long. And I understand that you have to decide for yourself what you believe is worth reading and what is not. But I would be pleased if you read the three articles, and then document which exact pieces of data from the articles you believe are false. Also, do you believe the false pieces of data are honest mistakes based on poor research and/or poor sources, or do you believe MacDonald dishonestly fabricated the data for political reasons?
Thank you
And I will say his work isnt interesting to me and I have better things to do with my timeâŚ
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But what about Professor Kevin MacDonaldâs data?
So you never actually ever read any of MacDonaldâs data, but based on other peopleâs ad hominem attacks against him, assumed that his data was invalid. Can you at least tell me if you think he made honest mistakes in his research, or that he intentionally fabricated the data for political reasons?
Thank you
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gilliam
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Why this fixation on Jews?
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legeorge
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Asian Catholic:
Actually, if you can get through all the verbal vomit, it kind of does boil down to something as simple as that. I read the articles. At least I read about 2/3 and skimmed the rest. Iâm not sure which âdataâ you mean. There are a lot of âclaims thisâ and âreportedlyâ thats. Just because they are compiled in a reasonable order doesnât make them âdataâ. Itâs just a bunch of speculation and windbag. There might be valid points, I donât know for sure. I donât personally know the qualifications of all the persons quoted, or the context they were originally given in. I could probably find quotes that, if compiled in the right way, would make it seem like Bush planned the 911 attacks. Personally, I think that going into Iraq probably had more to do with Husseinâs attempt on the first Pres Bushâs life than it did with Israel. But that is just my own speculation. Bush likes his âgood ol texan boyâ image, and part of that is fierce loyalty to family. You can make of that what you want.
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I believe itâs an important subject, one that gets very little attention, esp. due to the politically incorrect nature of it. I have an interest in many taboo subjects.
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