Patriarch of Moscow Cyril - There is only One Church!

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Vaseljen said:
Some of you are optimistic about the end of east-west schism. Don’t be too optimistic, the bishop of Moscow has different opinion than the bishop of Constantinople.
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What do you seem to think the opinion of HH Bartholomew to be? Have you not read his address to Georgetown University where he stated “The manner in which we exist has become ontologically different”?

Read the following link for some more of his opinions

blogs.ancientfaith.com/orthodoxyandheterodoxy/2014/12/01/patriarch-bartholomew-union-rome/
 
prodromos said:
What do you seem to think the opinion of HH Bartholomew to be? Have you not read his address to Georgetown University where he stated “The manner in which we exist has become ontologically different”?

Read the following link for some more of his opinions

blogs.ancientfaith.com/orthodoxyandheterodoxy/2014/12/01/patriarch-bartholomew-union-rome/
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Agreed. Some people equate being cordial or having good interfaith relations with actual merger talks. The Orthodox are as entrenched in their theological view as the RCC IS, and neither will change that view in a way that will end the schism that developed over nearly 7 centuries and has existed for a millennia.
 
Padres1969 said:
I think he’s implying the opposite. That one Orthodox church at a time would reunite with Rome.
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That I couldn’t tell you, but it makes sense equally either way you read it. (Of course, if you’re right then my post should have said “I’m not an Orthodox Patriarch or Bishop, but even if I were I wouldn’t want to become Catholic rather than Orthodox.”)

But more substantially, an interesting read in this regard is Uniatism, Method of Union of the Past, and the Present Search for Full Communion.
 
Peter_J said:
That I couldn’t tell you, but it makes sense equally either way you read it. (Of course, if you’re right then my post should have said “I’m not an Orthodox Patriarch or Bishop, but even if I were I wouldn’t want to become Catholic rather than Orthodox.”)

But more substantially, an interesting read in this regard is Uniatism, Method of Union of the Past, and the Present Search for Full Communion.
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Yes, I meant one Orthodox Bishop / Patriarch at a time becoming Catholic. I think it would happen similarly to how the many of the Eastern Catholic Churches reunited from Orthodoxy.

I was reading an article today that lead me to believe that there was more progress made in the past, but when the Communists came to power in Eastern Europe, Byzantine Catholics were suppressed and/or forced into Orthodoxy based on the Soviet influence.

The Communists did everything they could to suppress access to Rome, even in Catholic Poland.

The article also hinted that in areas that were taken over by the Muslims, the Muslims preferred Byzantine Orthodoxy vs Byzantine Catholicism. The Communists, like the Muslims before them, wanted to limit influence from Rome & the West.

If I find the webpage again, I will post it.

God Bless
 
I don’t agree with Patriarch Kirill here, but I still have a high opinion him. When he speaks on behalf of the Russian Orthodox Church, people don’t typically get into arguments over what they believe he really meant to say.
 
Padres1969 said:
I think he’s implying the opposite. That one Orthodox church at a time would reunite with Rome.

It’s an interesting thought exercise, but not one likely to happen since the RCC would undoubtedly never surrender the primacy of the pope among bishops which is what I suspect the Orthodox would require for unification among other things.
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I would love to see them reunited, but I think it would be wise to wait for the myaphisites to reunite with EO( while remaining myaphisites ) and the church of the east as well , followed by the Byzantine Catholics reunion with EO , followed by a decentralized papacy , followed by the reunion of an enlarged EO with the RCC .

The east would keep its objections to the Filioque and the immaculate conception of Mary while accepting them as valid ophinions in the west , Rome would keep its authority ( scaled down to some extent though ) and its unique doctrines , without forcing them on the east , and as a side lets finally have one common date for Easter .

Just my :twocents:
Keep the faith ,and happy advent , Starwars 🙂
 
Well I really don’t pay attention to what the current patriarch of Moscow says or thinks, especially since the monks of Mount Athos Monastery have denounced and cursed him as a traitor to the faith and a political lap dog.
 
The Church in Constantinople is in a violently precarious situation in an increasingly Islamist Turkey, whereas the Russian Orthodox are safely ensconced in Orthodox dominant Russia.
 
Wandile said:
My response:

Pope John Paul I:

" The Ship of the Church is guided by Christ and by His Vicar … It alone carries the disciples and receives Christ. Yes, it is tossed on the sea but, outside it, one would perish immediately. Salvation is only in the Church; outside it, one perishes."

Pope Paul VI:

"The Catholic Church alone is the Body of Christ, of which He is the Head and Savior "

Pope John Paul II:

"There is no salvation outside the Church. From her alone there flows surely and fully the life-giving force destined, in Christ and in His Spirit, to renew the whole of humanity, and therefore directing every human being to become a part of the Mystical Body of Christ. "
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Pope Benedict XVI (Joseph Card. Ratzinger), approver of Dominus Iesus:

Therefore, there exists a single Church of Christ, which subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him.

Pope Francis:

And so the Church was a Mother, the Mother of more children, of many children. It became more and more of a Mother. A Mother who gives us the faith, a Mother who gives us an identity. But the Christian identity is not an identity card: Christian identity is belonging to the Church, because all of these belonged to the Church, the Mother Church. Because it is not possible to find Jesus outside the Church.
 
Rohzek said:
Well I really don’t pay attention to what the current patriarch of Moscow says or thinks, especially since the monks of Mount Athos Monastery have denounced and cursed him as a traitor to the faith and a political lap dog.
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Which monks and of which monastery? I see claims like this made all the time, but always with the generic “Mt. Athos” rather than a specific monastery or synaxis of monastics, and it causes me to suspect that the claim is merely slander.
 
I don’t understand how Orthodox can claim to be the one true church whenever Peter was the rock in which the church was to be founded. They agreed with this notion for a thousand years.

Still, it saddens me that there is so much disunity within Christianity. 😦
 
Alex_H said:
I don’t understand how Orthodox can claim to be the one true church whenever Peter was the rock in which the church was to be founded. They agreed with this notion for a thousand years.

Still, it saddens me that there is so much disunity within Christianity. 😦
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Patriarch of Antioch John X is also direct successor of Apostle Peter, and Orthodox believe that every bishop that upholds Orthodox faith is successor of Apostle Peter and Paul and all the Apostles.
 
Vaseljen said:
Patriarch of Antioch John X is also direct successor of Apostle Peter, and Orthodox believe that every bishop that upholds Orthodox faith is successor of Apostle Peter and Paul and all the Apostles.
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That’s interesting because there are only two Orthodox churches near me – one is Greek Orthodox and the other is Antiochian Orthodox. 😛
 
Rohzek said:
This is as much as I can find, although I do not understand the language of the video. georgianjournal.ge/world/26558-athos-monks-passed-putin-and-the-patriarch-kirill-on-anathema.html
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That is not Mount Athos monk. Monks of Mount Athos welcomed both Vladimir Putin and Patriarch Cyril, you can see videos of it.
This guy in the video you showed us is not from the Mount Athos. And he is not even a bishop, i cant see how can he even proclaim anathemas. Who knows if he is even canonical priest. My Russian is not in the best shape, but he proclaimed anathema on all the bishops of the Moscow Patriarchate, and one of the reason he listed is their contacts with the Pope of Rome.
 
Vaseljen said:
That is not Mount Athos monk. Monks of Mount Athos welcomed both Vladimir Putin and Patriarch Cyril, you can see videos of it.
This guy in the video you showed us is not from the Mount Athos. And he is not even a bishop, i cant see how can he even proclaim anathemas. Who knows if he is even canonical priest. My Russian is not in the best shape, but he proclaimed anathema on all the bishops of the Moscow Patriarchate, and one of the reason he listed is their contacts with the Pope of Rome.
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You’re gonna have to elaborate as to why you say is isn’t from Mt. Athos. Please, explain.

And on a further note, it’s pretty well known that Kiril is just a yes-man for Putin. One almost wishes that they just had the Synod in Russia again instead of the patriarchate.
 
The priest is speaking in Russian. And he is some kind of zealot.
 
Rohzek said:
You’re gonna have to elaborate as to why you say is isn’t from Mt. Athos. Please, explain.

And on a further note, it’s pretty well known that Kiril is just a yes-man for Putin. One almost wishes that they just had the Synod in Russia again instead of the patriarchate.
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I saw Russian monks, and shared the video of them welcoming Patriarch Cyril to the Russian monastery at the mount Athos.
Second, i can see that the priest is speaking in some sort of improvised chapel, like in office or something made of wood, there are no such poor Churches at the mount Athos, you cant see any history in the Church where the priest is speaking. And the priest is too zealous even for Mount Athos standards, if i understood him well, he proclaimed anathema on all Russian bishops. Mount Athos monks are in communion with all canonical Orthodox bishops.

In the western propaganda Patriarch Cyril is yes man to Putin, here, we see both of them rebuilding the Church and the Russian State. They are co-operating. Russia has double-headed eagle as their coat of arms, which means that the Church and Government co-operate for the good of earthly lives of their People and for the good of their after-life future - in heaven.
 
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