Patron Saint of Cop Killers?

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Patron Saint of Cop Killers?
According to this blog, Jacques Fesch, a 27-years-old playboy, who was beheaded in 1954 in France for the murder of a police officer following a bungled robbery, is being considered for Catholic sainthood. Apparently, "many Catholics in France now believe that the killer died a saint. Thirty years after his execution, the archbishop of Paris, Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger, signed a decree that may one day see him beatified."He admitted to shooting a police officer in an attempt to flee a robbery. After his conviction and death sentence, he underwent a profound conversion. Not profound enough, however, to convince him of the justice of his sentence, which he believed to be excessive since he did not premeditate the murder.
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But to propose him as a model of sanctity? He was a spoiled man who killed another human being while trying to escape robbing a bank. Although he repented, he resisted the eminently just judgment of death handed down in his case. Not a shining example of humble acceptance of responsibility, punishment, and atonement. A truly heroic saint would acknowledge that what he had done deserved this punishment, and been at peace with it.
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More information about Fesch here (scroll down).
Does anybody know anything about this? When I googled Fesch nothing from the Vatican or the French church came up about his cause – if it is officially a cause.
 
And here I thought it was St. Ice T…

Oh well, if Olaf can make it in I don’t see why Fesch can’t.
 
One can be a good Catholic and oppose the Death Penalty and I would think it would be idiotic and ridiculous to fault a person who opposes it who is ON DEATH ROW.

If Saint Dismas (Good thief, last hours conversion) can be recognized as a Saint then why can’t this guy?
 
Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger is a lunatic who shoul be disrobed, excommunicated immediatly, and commited to an asylum for the rest of his days. Even then it shouldn’t be over for the cretin. God should cast him down to the dark land of fire and brimstone for all eternity.:mad:
sorry for the exagerated rant, but…Come on people, no one should side with this halfwit. :mad: :mad: :mad: :banghead:
 
childofmary1143 said:
One can be a good Catholic and oppose the Death Penalty and I would think it would be idiotic and ridiculous to fault a person who opposes it who is ON DEATH ROW.

If Saint Dismas (Good thief, last hours conversion) can be recognized as a Saint then why can’t this guy?
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What about the family and if there were any children ,who will grow up without a father, while their fathers murderer will be raised up to sainthood. Qiute frankly I find the idea abhorrent:nope:
 
You seem to have misunderstood the concept of Sainthood. The Church doesn’t raise them up, they discern if God has already done it.
 
I am pretty sure that Lustiger is dead and he was quite a good man.
 
The problem as I see it here is that some people think that because Fesch disagreed with the Court decision to have him executed then he isn’t a very repentant Catholic and that is abhorrent in my opinion.

For the record, I am for the death penalty in certain circumstances but don’t see it as a litmus test for Catholic orthodoxy.
 
The original post cites a blog, which cites another blog. If no one can produce a link to a legitimate news article by Sunday afternoon, the thread will be closed.
 
 
childofmary1143 said:
One can be a good Catholic and oppose the Death Penalty and I would think it would be idiotic and ridiculous to fault a person who opposes it who is ON DEATH ROW.

If Saint Dismas (Good thief, last hours conversion) can be recognized as a Saint then why can’t this guy?
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And Moses, and David, and Paul.
 
And Moses, and David, and Paul
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Did he lead thousands into the Church? work miracles? Lead the rest of his life doing God’s will?
I’m sorry but I have lived most of my life in constant sin, repented and am now a faithful revert but that doesn’t make me a saint. As a matter of fact if you told most people I used to know that I am living a celibate lifestyle (I had quite a reputation for dating many women) they would never stop laughing. My point is that even though I have repented and now follow the Church’s teachings, it would be ridiculous to even consider me a saint. Repenting does not make a person a saint.
 
This sounds interesting. I think we must remember that nearly all saints with the exception of the Blessed Virgin Mary were sinners before they reached sainthood. As for whether Fesch should be a saint or not, I have no say in that and I don’t know enough about him to decide either. If the Church declares him to be a saint then so be it. However, I would not portray him as a saint of cop killers. I would instead portray him as a saint of those people who are on death row. May Fesch and the cop(s) that he killed rest in peace and may perpetual light shine upon them. :signofcross:
 
jsphbeale said:
Repenting does not make a person a saint.
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When did God say that. A saint is anyone that we know for sure is in Heaven. If you repent of all your sins and live a life according to God’s will, then it is a safe bet you will enter heaven. Guess what that makes you? 😃

I think a lot of people are missing the point that the Church doesn’t decide to make a person a Saint, they discern if that has already happened.
 
I’ve read about Fesch. He seems to have been not a bad man, just immature, confused and feckless. He didn’t set out to deliberately kill the policeman he shot (although he did have the intent to rob a store). Fesch shot the policeman in a panic. I am not in any way excusing what he did, but I find his change of heart to be very inspiring. Is he a saint? I think so. But I think he’d be a very controversial man to canonize.
 
Save the rolaids, this guy ain’t gonna be elevated to the altar.
 
jsphbeale said:
Did he lead thousands into the Church? work miracles? Lead the rest of his life doing God’s will?
I’m sorry but I have lived most of my life in constant sin, repented and am now a faithful revert but that doesn’t make me a saint. As a matter of fact if you told most people I used to know that I am living a celibate lifestyle (I had quite a reputation for dating many women) they would never stop laughing. My point is that even though I have repented and now follow the Church’s teachings, it would be ridiculous to even consider me a saint. Repenting does not make a person a saint.
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Did St Dismas?
 
St. Dismas is a saint but it’s much harder to become a saint nowadays than it was in the Early Church. I don’t think St. Dismas would make it under the modern guidelines.
 
mschrank said:
St. Dismas is a saint but it’s much harder to become a saint nowadays than it was in the Early Church. I don’t think St. Dismas would make it under the modern guidelines.
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Are you kidding me? Pope John Paul II canonized more Saints than ALL the previous Popes COMBINED.
 
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