Paul leads GOP NH field 2016, Hillary leads Dems

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SaintAugustine said:
I think the reason Bush was elected twice is because he was genuine. He may not have been as conservative as many would like, but you knew where he stood.
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And the fact that we were mid-war when the second election occurred didn’t have the greater impact?
 
gracepoole said:
McCain had a series of missteps that spelled disaster for him (cough Palin cough). Romney? Yes. Immigration, same-sex marriage, his less than compassionate view of those who receive some form of public assistance – these are issues of political suicide. But let’s say he wasn’t “really” conservative. The majority of Americans still didn’t agree with his platform on these sample issues. How, then, would a candidate with even *more *conservative views win?
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I think it’s more a matter of the more conservative candidate is more likely to fire up the base of the Republican party and appear more genuine to the American people. Romney and many moderates in the Republican party appear(ed) as if they’ll do anything to get elected and will shift their positions appropriately.
 
CrossofChrist said:
The GOP’s problem is that, at least perception-wise, they have some very conservative members who are totally unacceptable to a majority of Americans, and have some more “moderate” members who look like they don’t have any principles to most Americans. So they are really stuck with looking stupid or looking like politicians. Not a good combo.
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So,in your opinion,what do th Dems look like :rolleyes:
 
CrossofChrist said:
I think it’s more a matter of the more conservative candidate is more likely to fire up the base of the Republican party and appear more genuine to the American people. Romney and many moderates in the Republican party appear(ed) as if they’ll do anything to get elected and will shift their positions appropriately.
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Can’t disagree with you there. But exactly where is the GOP’s base? It seems to be evaporating.
 
ishii said:
Rand Paul leads a crowded 2016 GOP field in New Hampshire. If the primary were held today, who would you vote for?

realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/

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I think Rand Paul wouldn’t be bad. Ted Cruz would be good, too. Republicans need to keep in mind that the leftist “mainstream” media will attack the GOP candidate with the same amount of venom regardless of who it will be. So, there is no point in trying to please the left. The Republicans should do what Democrats did and choose someone who is hardcore and doesn’t compromise. That way the Republican party base can be united this time instead of divided. Again, there is no point in trying to please the left since they will never vote Republican anyway.

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gracepoole said:
McCain had a series of missteps that spelled disaster for him (cough Palin cough). Romney? Yes. Immigration, same-sex marriage, his less than compassionate view of those who receive some form of public assistance – these are issues of political suicide. But let’s say he wasn’t “really” conservative. The majority of Americans still didn’t agree with his platform on these sample issues. How, then, would a candidate with even *more *conservative views win?
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The reasons Romney wasn’t elected were Romneycare, and that people didn’t think he was genuine.

Palin actually boosted McCain, but she wasn’t enough. He was not well liked by the conservative base.
 
gracepoole said:
Can’t disagree with you there. But exactly where is the GOP’s base? It seems to be evaporating.
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It’s among the social conservatives and those who want a balanced budget. It wouldn’t be evaporating if they knew how to communicate. 🤷
 
livingwordunity said:
I think Rand Paul wouldn’t be bad. Ted Cruz would be good, too. Republicans need to keep in mind that the leftist “mainstream” media will attack the GOP candidate with the same amount of venom regardless of who it will be. So, there is no point in trying to please the left. The Republicans should do what the left has done and choose someone who doesn’t compromise. This would unite the conservative vote.
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I actually like him, too…even though he’s a senator.
 
Cruz would get destroyed. It would be a nightmare for all.

IMNSHO, Republicans have lots of leverage this next presidential election. They don’t even need the “perfect candidate”, but Cruz is hated by most of America, at least at the moment.
 
CrossofChrist said:
Cruz would get destroyed. It would be a nightmare for all.

IMNSHO, Republicans have lots of leverage this next presidential election. They don’t even need the “perfect candidate”, but Cruz is hated by most of America, at least at the moment.
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What proof do you have of this besides that the leftist “mainstream” media, who will attack any GOP candidate regardless, told you this?
 
SaintAugustine said:
Is that the reason Obama was reelected?
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I don’t think Reagan, Clinton, GW, and Obama were elected to second terms for the same reasons.
SaintAugustine said:
The reasons Romney wasn’t elected were Romneycare, and that people didn’t think he was genuine.

Palin actually boosted McCain, but she wasn’t enough. He was not well liked by the conservative base.
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It’s easy to find out just how much of the conservative base turned out to vote for their candidate in the last election. Is anyone here really claiming they just chose to stay home or vote for Obama in '12?
CrossofChrist said:
It’s among the social conservatives and those who want a balanced budget. It wouldn’t be evaporating if they knew how to communicate. 🤷
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On the social conservative front, I’d say they have an uphill battle no matter what. But in terms of economics, they could really do with some branding advice.
 
Now that the Makers of tax revenues has been surpassed by the Takers of tax revenues, our present path is unsustainable in the long term.

It’s eventually Communism or Libertarianism.

But that’s too scary for those who think the good ole USA will always be this way. Especially after we were openly promised radical change.
 
CrossofChrist said:
Cruz would get destroyed. It would be a nightmare for all.

IMNSHO, Republicans have lots of leverage this next presidential election. They don’t even need the “perfect candidate”, but Cruz is hated by most of America, at least at the moment.
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Unfortunately for Cruz, I’d say some of his biggest enemies are those with capital and clout inside the GOP (i.e., capitalists). Initiating the shut-down wasn’t at all beneficial from their perspective.
 
gracepoole said:
I don’t think Reagan, Clinton, GW, and Obama were elected to second terms for the same reasons.
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We were still as much “at war” in 2012. The lame justification by liberals that Bush was only reelected because we were at war is just sour grapes by the liberals because their inadequate candidate lost.
 
ManOnFire said:
Now that the Makers of tax revenues has been surpassed by the Takers of tax revenues, our present path is unsustainable in the long term.

It’s eventually Communism or Libertarianism.

But that’s too scary for those who think the good ole USA will always be this way. Especially after we were openly promised radical change.
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I don’t know. I think Obamacare is going to hurt the Democrats chances, but I do expect the candidates in 2016 to distance themselves from the failures of Obamacare and Benghazi.
 
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