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DeSanto said:
I understand what you are saying. And I debated whether to repost this quote but I felt it was overlooked. The point of this quote was to encourage people to dig deeper and research the facts about off shore financing. The problem I have with Romney is that he is unwilling to show more detail to prove everything he’s done was on the up and up. There are many ways around these laws you speak of, including not disclosing accounts. He is not honest about his net worth. Some of the words I put out there like 2009 Swiss amnesty, and tax evasion disputes are worthy of research. Not to accuse Romney of tax evasion but to point out the problem he has created by not disclosing more detail causing suspicion. On top of the lack of detail of his wealth, he also lacks detail of his policies which does concern me way more than his taxes do. I don’t want to harp on his taxes. I’ve made my point. Don’t hide if there’s nothing to hide. I certainly don’t buy the whole “I’m afraid I’ll get attacked if I do show”. Balogna…he’ll be attacked either way. Does he want to be trusted or not?
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Why should I or anyone else care about his net worth?
 
PJD1987 said:
It’s very simple. In the list of priorities for Catholic voters, “off shore financing” is about 5,678. You know what number ONE is…you guessed it: ABORTION! The murder of innocent babies. Very simple. Everything else is fluff, and these false red flags and arguments we’ve all been having with each other are pointless.

We must vote Mr. Obama out in November. And if you vote for Mr. Obama you are voting for and supporting intrinsic evil and you are committing a mortal sin.

Period. End of Story.

God bless.

-Paul
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“Everything else is fluff.” Do you really think so? For people out of work or who are underemployed and cannot support themselves and their families, those who have lost their homes, who don’t have health care and are ill, who have loved ones fighting in Afghanistan or soldiers who have returned home from combat physically maimed or psychologically damaged, this is all fluff in your view?
 
meltzerboy said:
“Everything else is fluff.” Do you really think so? For people out of work or who are underemployed and cannot support themselves and their families, those who have lost their homes, who don’t have health care and are ill, who have loved ones fighting in Afghanistan or soldiers who have returned physically maimed or psychologically damaged, this is all fluff in your view?
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Maybe I should have worded more carefully. This type of “tax return” stuff is fluff and distracting. And yes, from a Catholic perspective, there is absolutely not one thing that comes even close to the pre-eminence the scourge of abortion takes when we enter the voting booth. Those other things are certainly important, and I would argue that they also are helped out by voting Obama out of office. But the bottom line remains, a Catholic cannot vote for a pro-abortion candidate. Period. End of story.

God bless.

-Paul

EDIT: This is what the Church Teaches, and I am confident you are aware of this. This is BASIC Church Teaching…
 
PJD1987 said:
It’s very simple. In the list of priorities for Catholic voters, “off shore financing” is about 5,678. You know what number ONE is…you guessed it: ABORTION! The murder of innocent babies. Very simple. Everything else is fluff, and these false red flags and arguments we’ve all been having with each other are pointless.

We must vote Mr. Obama out in November. And if you vote for Mr. Obama you are voting for and supporting intrinsic evil and you are committing a mortal sin.

Period. End of Story.

God bless.

-Paul
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Well said.
 
meltzerboy said:
“Everything else is fluff.” Do you really think so? For people out of work or who are underemployed and cannot support themselves and their families, those who have lost their homes, who don’t have health care and are ill, who have loved ones fighting in Afghanistan or soldiers who have returned home from combat physically maimed or psychologically damaged, this is all fluff in your view?
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Unemployment does not trump human life, especially for those receiving benefits. And how does Obamacare give veterans better healthcare? Please post where in the Obamacare bill it says that? Our troops are not fighting for a socialist government.
 
estesbob said:
Another George Soros group.
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They are trying to divide us, which unfortunately is not that hard given the deep divides in the Catholic community already. But they are exploiting us and using us as political pawns. We can’t let that happen, this is a great challenge and opportunity for us to come together. It is too bad too many of us are being led astray by those who do not care at all for us or our faith and are more concerned with pushing their leftist agenda, which by the way, completely infringes on our right to freedom of religion and is not concerned or respectful whatsoever about our beliefs. They will use us and then kick us aside after the election…we CANNOT let that happen.

Barack Obama relies on the balkanization of America, and by extension the balkanization of Catholics for him to be re-elected. Don’t believe the lies!!!

God bless.

-Paul
 
PJD1987 said:
It’s very simple. In the list of priorities for Catholic voters, “off shore financing” is about 5,678. You know what number ONE is…you guessed it: ABORTION! The murder of innocent babies. Very simple. Everything else is fluff,…
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But I heard on the radio that Romney and Ryan are in favor of abortion in the case of rape. I don;t understand how you could vote for the RR team if they are in favor of killing an innocent child in the case of rape. The child had nothing to do with the rape, why would they want to kill an innocent child in this particular case. Wouldn;t it be intrinsic evil to do so, and would that mean that you are going along with intrinsic evil if you vote for it?
 
JoeBowen7 said:
But I heard on the radio that Romney and Ryan are in favor of abortion in the case of rape. I don;t understand how you could vote for the RR team if they are in favor of killing an innocent child in the case of rape. The child had nothing to do with the rape, why would they want to kill an innocent child in this particular case. Wouldn;t it be intrinsic evil to do so, and would that mean that you are going along with intrinsic evil if you vote for it?
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No. They are not for the promotion of the culture of death and and the propagation of the intrinsic evil of abortion all over the world as this President is. They have made no indication and there’s absolutely no reason to believe they will put in place policies that will encourage abortion, contraception, and intrinsic evil, whereas this President is making it a hallmark of his legacy. The comparison you make is not legitimate in any way whatsoever.

God bless.

-Paul
 
JoeBowen7 said:
But I heard on the radio that Romney and Ryan are in favor of abortion in the case of rape. I don;t understand how you could vote for the RR team if they are in favor of killing an innocent child in the case of rape. The child had nothing to do with the rape, why would they want to kill an innocent child in this particular case. Wouldn;t it be intrinsic evil to do so, and would that mean that you are going along with intrinsic evil if you vote for it?
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*You may in some circumstances where you don’t have any candidate who is proposing to eliminate all abortion, choose the candidate who will most limit this grave evil in our country, but you could never justify voting for a candidate who not only does not want to limit abortion but believes that it should be available to everyone," *

Cardinal Edmund Burke
 
estesbob said:
*You may in some circumstances where you don’t have any candidate who is proposing to eliminate all abortion, choose the candidate who will most limit this grave evil in our country, but you could never justify voting for a candidate who not only does not want to limit abortion but believes that it should be available to everyone," *

Cardinal Edmund Burke
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Wow, the post you quoted made me realize that the ticket is RR.

We’ve had a RR before. And we know how that turned out. 😃
 
JoeBowen7 said:
But I heard on the radio that Romney and Ryan are in favor of abortion in the case of rape. I don;t understand how you could vote for the RR team if they are in favor of killing an innocent child in the case of rape. The child had nothing to do with the rape, why would they want to kill an innocent child in this particular case. Wouldn;t it be intrinsic evil to do so, and would that mean that you are going along with intrinsic evil if you vote for it?
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There is a difference, of course, between actively promoting abortion on demand in one’s party platform, in word and by action, (Obama) and not pushing for criminalization of it in the case of rape alone. (Romney, possibly but doubtfully Ryan)

And Romney and Ryan are not persecuting the Church either, the way Obama is.
 
Trying to compare the Obama ticket to the Romney / Ryan ticket on abortion is a losing proposition. Obama is and has been the most pro-abortion president ever. It would be hard to outdo him on the pro-abortion side. He will have the unequivocal support of Planned Parenthood.
 
PJD1987 said:
No. They are not for the promotion of the culture of death and and the propagation of the intrinsic evil of abortion all over the world as this President is. They have made no indication and there’s absolutely no reason to believe they will put in place policies that will encourage abortion, contraception, and intrinsic evil, whereas this President is making it a hallmark of his legacy. The comparison you make is not legitimate in any way whatsoever.

God bless.

-Paul
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So is it true or not that the RR team is in favor of laws permitting abortion in the case of rape? Why murder the innocent child? Should we go along with murder of an innocent child if he was conceived by rape?
 
JoeBowen7 said:
So is it true or not that the RR team is in favor of laws permitting abortion in the case of rape? Why murder the innocent child? Should we go along with murder of an innocent child if he was conceived by rape?
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I will direct you to the previous posts by those who have also responded to your grasping at straws and weak attempt to somehow make these two things equal.

God bless.

-Paul
 
JoeBowen7 said:
So is it true or not that the RR team is in favor of laws permitting abortion in the case of rape? Why murder the innocent child? Should we go along with murder of an innocent child if he was conceived by rape?
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If they are, it is a mistake. If they are, they are still several orders of magnitude better than President Obama on the issue. We live in a fallen world. That does not, however, allow us to make the perfect the enemy of the (very, very, IMHO) good.

Put another way, re-elect President Obama and thousands more babies will die than under a RR administration.
 
PJD1987 said:
I will direct you to the previous posts by those who have also responded to your grasping at straws and weak attempt to somehow make these two things equal.

God bless.

-Paul
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So they are in favor of allowing the killing an innocent child in the case of rape?

“A Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape.”
according to Romney campaign spokesperson Amanda Henneberg

thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/12538-romney-ryan-campaign-okay-with-abortion-in-rape-cases
It seems like the RR team is supporting something which is intrinsically evil?
 
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