Paul Ryan Discussion

[Rich_Olszewski]

Exactly. Rich’s green-colored glasses have been adjusted too tightly.

I don’t envy him, if that’s what you are implying. But, find him faultless if you like.

 

[LisaA]

Even Charles Manson had “family values.” I reject the Right’s looking down their noses at other people’s values. The Right appropriated the term to describe their values. Okay, but I don’t accept that.

Rich I find this comment shocking. So you think all “family values” are equivalent? Are you kidding or do you believe this? I sometimes think you say outrageous things to try to get a rise out of those who disagree. So you find Obama’s utter disregard for babies, for unborn babies equivalent to the values in our Catholic social teaching? This is frankly beyond the pale.

Lisa

 

[LisaA]

I don’t envy him, if that’s what you are implying. But, find him faultless if you like.

Another strawman! Rich you need to expand your repertoire.

Lisa

 

[rlg94086]

I don’t envy him, if that’s what you are implying. But, find him faultless if you like.

I don’t find him faultless, but all your descriptions about his upbringing focus on money. Money, money, money. Some people are blinded by it when looking at their fellow man.

 

[rlg94086]

As if we on the lower end of the stick didn’t have chores, served as altar boys, were Boy and Girl Scouts, went to Catholic schools, etc.

Haha…I missed this post. That is entirely the point, Rich! Those are shared experiences.

 

[TexCatholic4JMJ]

With Obama, it is the family values that he doesn’t share with us that bother me.
“I don’t want my daughter(s) punished with a baby.” and the HHS mandate that takes
away religious freedom. Or the one where born alive survivors of abortion are left to
die without so much as a blanket to cover them.
Those are the values we don’t share.

Rich,
Did you respond to these Obama “values”??

 

[SamH]

I don’t find him faultless, but all your descriptions about his upbringing focus on money. Money, money, money. Some people are blinded by it when looking at their fellow man.

As revealed in this very thread.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Rich I find this comment shocking. So you think all “family values” are equivalent?

The term “family value” certainly is. What is meant by that term? The Right is sure that their definition is binding, though others may have other values.

 

[LisaA]

Did I say a word about the sq footage of his home, of how much he spent on suits, or how valuable his furniture is?

As if we on the lower end of the stick didn’t have chores, served as altar boys, were Boy and Girl Scouts, went to Catholic schools, etc.

You MAKE my point. Mitt Romney HAD very similar growing up experiences to the average American. You constantly focus on his family’s wealth as if that means he cannot relate to the average American. I disagree and it seems like you disagree as well.

Lisa

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Rich,
Did you respond to these Obama “values”??

You are fixated on defining family value in only one way. How about the pro-choicer who gives his or her time to charitable causes, feeding the hungry and giving the poor shelter? How about the pro-choicer who wants all kids to have decent educations that prepare them for life Do they not have family values?

 

[LisaA]

You are fixated on defining family value in only one way. How about the pro-choicer who gives his or her time to charitable causes, feeding the hungry and giving the poor shelter? How about the pro-choicer who wants all kids to have decent educations that prepare them for life Do they not have family values?

Again, sure they are that family’s values but how can you claim equivalence? Obama apparently has no problem with a baby that survives abortion being denied medical care. Obama has no problem with partial birth abortion. Obama has no problem forcing religious organizations and religious people to provide products and services that are against conscious. OK he has family values but they are hardly equivalent to Ryan’s values, particularly if you are a Catholic. Serving at a soup kitchen vs allowing or supporting the death of unborn babies the same? Really?

Lisa

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

You MAKE my point. Mitt Romney HAD very similar growing up experiences to the average American. You constantly focus on his family’s wealth as if that means he cannot relate to the average American. I disagree and it seems like you disagree as well.

We do disagree. I believe that he could never relate to my father and his working so hard under railway cars. Nor could he relate even to my service during the Vietnam War (posters here in '08 made much of Obama’s lack of military service. Where are they now concerning Romney’s military service?), and I am such an average American.

Yes, I focus on Romney’s wealth because, as Tom Buchanan in The Great Gadsby said, “the rich are not like you and me.”

 

[rlg94086]

Yes, ****I focus on Romney’s wealth because, as Tom Buchanan in The Great Gadsby said, “the rich are not like you and me.”

I’m glad you clearly admit that. It’s a sad admission, but it is typical of the Left. It’s all about money.

 

[qui_est_ce]

And he, his family and his parents were just ordinary middle class people like your family or mine with little money. Sure.

How well fitting are those rose-colored glasses of yours, Christine??

Actually, I grew up upper middle class. We went to Europe at least once a year. My parents paid for all our kids schooling. Private high schools for all four of us, college. My brother was in ROTC, so the government paid for his college. My dad died when I was 20. Then I got SS until I was 22, which I used for tuition (and dropped out of school without graduating_. We had an extra car for the kids to use (for all intents, it became mine, because my little sister was constantly grounded from it, and my older sibs were out of the house by the time I got to drive. I was actually a spoiled brat until then.

I finally got my degree in night school.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Again, sure they are that family’s values but how can you claim equivalence? Obama apparently has no problem with a baby that survives abortion being denied medical care. Obama has no problem with partial birth abortion. Obama has no problem forcing religious organizations and religious people to provide products and services that are against conscious. OK he has family values but they are hardly equivalent to Ryan’s values, particularly if you are a Catholic. Serving at a soup kitchen vs allowing or supporting the death of unborn babies the same? Really?

You are the one making that comparison. Did I say that working at a women’s shelter is the same as supporting abortion?

I know that I won’t convince you. You are a person of strong opinions And that’s admirable. But, likewise your arguments don’t move me.

Can I say “Mexican standoff” (or is that racism? I hope it will not be read as such.

 

[qui_est_ce]

We do disagree. I believe that he could never relate to my father and his working so hard under railway cars. Nor could he relate even to my service during the Vietnam War (posters here in '08 made much of Obama’s lack of military service. Where are they now concerning Romney’s military service?), and I am such an average American.

Yes, I focus on Romney’s wealth because, as Tom Buchanan in The Great Gadsby said, “the rich are not like you and me.”

Well, since the thread is about Paul Ryan, his upbringing is a lot more mainstream than Obama’s. I can relate when he said his died died too early. It leaves a big hole in your family.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Actually, I grew up upper middle class. We went to Europe at least once a year.

Ho Chi Minh got me out of the U.S. - for five years, anyway. Never been to Europe. Asia was my playground - India, Malaysia, Singapore, and Thailand - and RVN, of course.

My parents paid for all our kids schooling. Private high schools for all four of us, college. My brother was in ROTC, so the government paid for his college. My dad died when I was 20. Then I got SS until I was 22, which I used for tuition (and dropped out of school without graduating_. We had an extra car for the kids to use (for all intents, it became mine, because my little sister was constantly grounded from it, and my older sibs were out of the house by the time I got to drive. I was actually a spoiled brat until then.

Nah, you couldn’t ever have been a spoiled brat.

Scholarships paid for high school and for about half my college tuition, and even for a good bit of law school. Left all my schools not owing a dime.

I finally got my degree in night school.

Which is how I went to Law School - 4 years instead of the 3 it usually takes.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Well, since the thread is about Paul Ryan, his upbringing is a lot more mainstream than Obama’s. I can relate when he said his died died too early. It leaves a big hole in your family.

Regarding Paul Ryan, you and I are singing off the same page.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

I’m glad you clearly admit that. It’s a sad admission, but it is typical of the Left. It’s all about money.

And Rightists don’t think about money ever? Sure, go on believing that.

Let me give you a little advice. Keep in mind “people who live in glass houses ought not throw stones.” Not you personally. I have no idea if you are a prince or pauper, but it’s risible to accuse only the Left of being interested in money.

 

[estesbob]

Speak for yourself. My father worked for the railroad and my mother worked in a factory, our lives were nowhere like the way Romney was raised or lived.

So?