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Luigi_Daniele
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Yup.
- Stay on the traditional plan
- use it to pay for an approved private insurance plan (any savings you keep)
- use it all + money you kick in for a premium plan.
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Duhawk83
Guest
I would like to point out that with regards to suppoerting the poor, something we as Catholics are called to do, there are different ways to do this, one amounts to using law and government and the other through use of private action and charity.Weird…nothing in there about the budget’s “inhumanity” or any “genocide” going on.
Obviously, it is fine for a Catholic to support the budget. It is a matter for prudential judgement and does not mean that said Catholic is against helping the poor, not following Church teaching, etc.
Now that we have that out of the way, let’s discuss other items where Romney/Ryan clearly line up with the Church (or at least get a heck of a lot closer) and Obama/Biden are completely opposed.
I would say that the governmental means is resulting in a crushing debt that creates more poor than it helps. People like Sister Simone Campbell who actively campaign for the governmental course; are so blind to the consequences of their action in the name of “social justice” that they overlook unintended consequences and also the fact that those who they tacitly support wish to marginalize the church.
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Scott_Lafrance
Guest
I’ve watched “Hardball” several times. The only thing that I got out of it is that if you wandered off HIS script, he got all irate. His show has absolutely nothing to do with reality or the truth, only adherence to hardcore left talking points. It should be renamed “Screwball”.I guess Chris doesn’t call his show “Hardball” for nothing. I’ve seen him do that too. I don’t speak for Republicans but maybe Republicans favor them if it’s Ryan and oppose them if it’s Obama. I heard recently someone say maybe Obama should have proposed additional tax cuts on the wealthiest taxpayers among us so the Republicans could oppose tax cuts.It’s been their whole mantra since the day BHO became POTUS though. Oppose him on everything. Keep speaking truth on the Ryan budget Bellesbane.
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CMatt25
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This is meaningless. Simply more flips and flops. Not only from Romney but from Ryan.
“Ryan’s earliest budget proposal did not include the option to stay with Medicare as we know it.”
abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/mitt-romneys-strategy-to-win-the-medicare-debate/
Just more of an attempt by Romney and Ryan and Republicans to muddy the waters in hopes voters get so confused as to what their intentions really are. But Ryan made his intentions perfectly clear to begin with. To end Medicare and replace it with a voucher system.
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Duhawk83
Guest
Frankly, the choice that we have now is as stark and unique as I can ever remember.
If your for regime that wants to attempt to create heaven on earth, vote Obama; if you want an administration that wants to govern and create opportunity for all vote Romney.
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Duhawk83
Guest
Given how hard left Obama has been, I can’t imagine that any Republican could honestly support anything he has done. That is reality.I guess Chris doesn’t call his show “Hardball” for nothing. I’ve seen him do that too. I don’t speak for Republicans but maybe Republicans favor them if it’s Ryan and oppose them if it’s Obama. I heard recently someone say maybe Obama should have proposed additional tax cuts on the wealthiest taxpayers among us so the Republicans could oppose tax cuts.
For two years; count them two years, Obama and his Party had the ability to pass anything they wanted. Why didn’t they…if you thought 2010 was a shellacing imagine if they had raised taxes and pulled off their stunt to deny Catholics freedom to practice their faith.
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Rich_Olszewski
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Jaypeeto4
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**As disappointing as the Obama presidency has been, we can’t afford to continue taking from the poor children in order to increase the net worth of the billionaires. It is wrong morally. It is bad economic policy. **
Yes, we should keep electing and re-electing those who vote
to KILL the pre-born Children (56 million and counting so far, in the USA alone).
Listen and listen good:
HITLER had SUPERB social justice policies. Soon after his taking power, NEARLY EVERYBODY had a job. There were huge new healthcare programs, increasing (drastic) in education spending. Cheap cars made available for all the masses of people.
Social welfare and job training programs.
Yup. All this. AND it was WONDERFUL too.
…of course, one had to be willing to accept that one was receiving all these good
social justice programs AT THE EXPENSE of the COMING MURDER of 6 MILLION
JEWS and 6 MILLION others, including tens of thousands of our priests and nuns,
millions of Catholic laity and protestant laity too who denounced the government’s murderous racist plans and agenda,
but well, JUST LIKE THOSE in America who KEEP voting for proAborts using
“Social Justice” as a mantra as an excuse for it,
the Germans couldn’t be bothered with little problems like THAAAAAAAAAT
when there was a nation to rebuild and poor people who needed (Nazi) government help,
which they GOT, too. Most Germans LOVED the Nazi regime: the economy BOOMED, people were working, great medical care, the poor were being rapidly elevated out of poverty.
But the cost was KNOWINGLY and WILLFULLY voting these people into office when they before-hand bragged that they were going to wipe out the Jews (mass murder, just like abortion) and
even get rid of the Catholic (and other) Church(es). As Hitler screamed,
“avay vith Incense and Holy Vater !!”.
Keep voting for these proAborts. They are bringing the wrath of God down on this nation
and when God allows, or CAUSES, our economy to collapse, and millions of us to be thrown out of work and starving, as a judgement on this nation and the people who supported those whom they KNEW were going to pass and keep legal, these murderous things and perversions, then many of us are going to remember who it was that helped
cause us to needlessly suffer this judgment. Many people are going to be very embittered about it, too. That is inevitable.
This needs to be made clear:
a nation whose people believe in electing people who legalize, or keep legal,
the mass killing of the preBorn, and who believe in electing people who enshrine
other moral perversions and wickedness into law,
is a nation whose people do not DESERVE to have social justice, good welfare programs,
help for the elderly (who also vote for these wicked things – gray hair is NO excuse).
In Evangelium Vitae, John Paul II the Blessed, himself, said exactly what I have just
said in THIS paragraph.
It is estimated that 900,000 children would be thrown into poverty by Paul Ryan??
WHO is doing this “estimating”??? I remember when President Reagan was in office.
I am poor, to this day, but Reagan was a TERRIFIC president. But not to hear the media tell it !! Oh no, to hear them tell it, half of America was starving to death, the streets were full of homeless (“street”) people BECAUSE of Reagan’s policies, etc etc etc, people are dying! people are dying !! people are dying !!! ---- all of this was gross exaggeration and pure political propaganda. It was NOT TRUE. It wasn’t true THEN, and it isn’t true NOW (that Republican policies will throw us poorer folks out into the streets). It is not true.
The “street” people, for the most part and this is fact, are mentally ill people.
They USED to be in hospitals, not on the street, but they didn’t LIKE being in there,
whether good or bad hospitals, they didn’t LIKE being in there. So liberal activist groups got laws passed requiring that they all be released. So they were. And these policies are still in effect. You CANNOT forcibly take these people into homes for care. You cannot.
And they DON’T want to go, for the most part. I know. I worked in downtown Miami for 22 years. Most of these folks are NOT normal. They are ill. But help IS available, but they DON’T want it. They DO want the Free Meal at Camillus House and the Miami Rescue Mission, but MOST (not all by any means) of them DO NOT WANT to be off the streets.
They will TELL YOU so. And the shelters, government funded for 50 years now,
are awful. They’re clean, but put these mentally ill people in there, and other people, who are dangerous as well as mentally-ill, prey on the nonviolent shelter residents and rob them and beat them up. So many of them refuse to use even the shelters and instead sleep under the bridges. They often HAVE relatives right here in Miami-Dade County,
but WON’T go to them for help, and in some cases, their relatives (who CAN help them) REFUSE to help them. Claiming that “Republican Policies” are in any way a significant cause of all these social problems, is a damned lie, and I am sick of hearing liberal polemicists, who hide their pro-abortion and pro-Sin beliefs and intentions BEHIND the guise of being in alliance “for the common good”, make me ill. The Bishops need to start excommunicating our church’s apostates instead of tolerating and - worse - coddling them and buddying with them.
Yes, we should keep electing and re-electing those who vote
to KILL the pre-born Children (56 million and counting so far, in the USA alone).
Listen and listen good:
HITLER had SUPERB social justice policies. Soon after his taking power, NEARLY EVERYBODY had a job. There were huge new healthcare programs, increasing (drastic) in education spending. Cheap cars made available for all the masses of people.
Social welfare and job training programs.
Yup. All this. AND it was WONDERFUL too.
…of course, one had to be willing to accept that one was receiving all these good
social justice programs AT THE EXPENSE of the COMING MURDER of 6 MILLION
JEWS and 6 MILLION others, including tens of thousands of our priests and nuns,
millions of Catholic laity and protestant laity too who denounced the government’s murderous racist plans and agenda,
but well, JUST LIKE THOSE in America who KEEP voting for proAborts using
“Social Justice” as a mantra as an excuse for it,
the Germans couldn’t be bothered with little problems like THAAAAAAAAAT
when there was a nation to rebuild and poor people who needed (Nazi) government help,
which they GOT, too. Most Germans LOVED the Nazi regime: the economy BOOMED, people were working, great medical care, the poor were being rapidly elevated out of poverty.
But the cost was KNOWINGLY and WILLFULLY voting these people into office when they before-hand bragged that they were going to wipe out the Jews (mass murder, just like abortion) and
even get rid of the Catholic (and other) Church(es). As Hitler screamed,
“avay vith Incense and Holy Vater !!”.
Keep voting for these proAborts. They are bringing the wrath of God down on this nation
and when God allows, or CAUSES, our economy to collapse, and millions of us to be thrown out of work and starving, as a judgement on this nation and the people who supported those whom they KNEW were going to pass and keep legal, these murderous things and perversions, then many of us are going to remember who it was that helped
cause us to needlessly suffer this judgment. Many people are going to be very embittered about it, too. That is inevitable.
This needs to be made clear:
a nation whose people believe in electing people who legalize, or keep legal,
the mass killing of the preBorn, and who believe in electing people who enshrine
other moral perversions and wickedness into law,
is a nation whose people do not DESERVE to have social justice, good welfare programs,
help for the elderly (who also vote for these wicked things – gray hair is NO excuse).
In Evangelium Vitae, John Paul II the Blessed, himself, said exactly what I have just
said in THIS paragraph.
It is estimated that 900,000 children would be thrown into poverty by Paul Ryan??
WHO is doing this “estimating”??? I remember when President Reagan was in office.
I am poor, to this day, but Reagan was a TERRIFIC president. But not to hear the media tell it !! Oh no, to hear them tell it, half of America was starving to death, the streets were full of homeless (“street”) people BECAUSE of Reagan’s policies, etc etc etc, people are dying! people are dying !! people are dying !!! ---- all of this was gross exaggeration and pure political propaganda. It was NOT TRUE. It wasn’t true THEN, and it isn’t true NOW (that Republican policies will throw us poorer folks out into the streets). It is not true.
The “street” people, for the most part and this is fact, are mentally ill people.
They USED to be in hospitals, not on the street, but they didn’t LIKE being in there,
whether good or bad hospitals, they didn’t LIKE being in there. So liberal activist groups got laws passed requiring that they all be released. So they were. And these policies are still in effect. You CANNOT forcibly take these people into homes for care. You cannot.
And they DON’T want to go, for the most part. I know. I worked in downtown Miami for 22 years. Most of these folks are NOT normal. They are ill. But help IS available, but they DON’T want it. They DO want the Free Meal at Camillus House and the Miami Rescue Mission, but MOST (not all by any means) of them DO NOT WANT to be off the streets.
They will TELL YOU so. And the shelters, government funded for 50 years now,
are awful. They’re clean, but put these mentally ill people in there, and other people, who are dangerous as well as mentally-ill, prey on the nonviolent shelter residents and rob them and beat them up. So many of them refuse to use even the shelters and instead sleep under the bridges. They often HAVE relatives right here in Miami-Dade County,
but WON’T go to them for help, and in some cases, their relatives (who CAN help them) REFUSE to help them. Claiming that “Republican Policies” are in any way a significant cause of all these social problems, is a damned lie, and I am sick of hearing liberal polemicists, who hide their pro-abortion and pro-Sin beliefs and intentions BEHIND the guise of being in alliance “for the common good”, make me ill. The Bishops need to start excommunicating our church’s apostates instead of tolerating and - worse - coddling them and buddying with them.
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Havard
Guest
We all agree with one party more than the other, but now you’re positing that the members of the party with which you don’t agree also universally act more inappropriately? That level of partisanship is deeply troubling, you really should cast away the notion that either party has a monopoly on decorum.
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bellasbane
Guest
Sorry you feel so threatened by me. I thought I had mentioned earlier that the political and economic system I was referencing is called a “Christian Democracy”. Here’s the wikipedia page on it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_democracy
Here is a bit from the article:
Christian democracy does not fit precisely into the usual categories of political thought, but rather includes elements common to several other political ideologies:
- In common with conservatism, traditional moral values (on marriage, abortion, etc.), opposition to secularization, a view of the evolutionary (as opposed to revolutionary) development of society, an emphasis on law and order, and a rejection of communism.
- In contrast to conservatism, open to change (for example, in the structure of society) and not necessarily supportive of the social status quo.
- In common with liberalism, an emphasis on human rights and individual initiative.
- In contrast to liberalism, a rejection of secularism, and an emphasis on the fact that the individual is part of a community and has duties towards it.
- In common with socialism, an emphasis on the community, social solidarity, support for a welfare state, and support for some regulation of market forces.
- In contrast to socialism, most European Christian Democrats support a market economy and do not adhere to the doctrine of class struggle. This does not necessarily carry over to some Latin American Christian Democratic Parties, which have been influenced by liberation theology.
I know my faith well enough, but I also know my history. I know that even if a crusade is called for all the right reasons, it doesn’t mean that every crusaders who wears the cross is a virtuous person. Some become so intent on stamping out the infidel that they forget what it means to be a Christian. I hope you think about that.
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Rich_Olszewski
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qui_est_ce
Guest
Honest effort at open discussion.
As a Catholic, this list makes sense to me - much more so than the claptrap I hear from the GOP and Ayn Rand supporters.
Then please explain why the number of food stamp recipients went up under Obama? Please explain why he can’t get the employment numbers to a reasonable rate?
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estesbob
Guest
“Other than that, how was the play, Mrs Lincoln?”
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Luigi_Daniele
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bellasbane
Guest
Does that mean you agree with me?
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estesbob
Guest
No. I agree with Cardinal Burke:
At this point, the Democratic Party risks transforming itself definitively into a “party of death” due to its choices on bioethical issues, as Ramesh Ponnuru wrote in his book "The Party of Death: The Democrats, the Media, the Courts and the Disregard for Human Life."And I say this with a heavy heart, because we all know that the Democrats were the party that helped our Catholic immigrant …
The culture of death permeates the Democrat party-they have a lot more problems than just supporting abortion-although that alone disqualifies them from receiving a Catholics support.
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LisaA
Guest
What would make me happy CMatt is you actually providing facts instead of opinions without support.
It is easy for you to say “doctors should remember why they got into medicine.” Well it wasn’t to spend the best part of their young lives studying, training, earning a pittance and then trying to open a practice with a mountain of student loan debt only to have their reimbursement levels drop to less than what we pay per hour for the IT guy or the copier machine repairman. You think I’m kidding? You are woefully ignorant of what it takes to become a doctor and stay in practice.
Medicare now pays thirty four percent 34% of what it paid in 1987 for the most common surgeries done by our clinic. I suspect you are very young so you might not have had income in l987 but if you had, would you like to be trying to pay YOUR bills with 34% of your 1987 income? Government payers have ratcheted back payments year after year. They have increased regulations year after year. Obamacare increases regulations and decreases payments.
Ask any doctor or doctor’s group about these issues. The doctors in the House and Senate all tried to inclurde some common sense provisions that would reduce the cost of practice. Someone mentioned malpractice…it’s risen dramatically as have all other expenses of practice. But doctors are taking home less and less.
I don’t know why you refuse to acknowledge simple economics. It applies to doctors too.
Oh and btw the Dem’s favorite group the trial lawyers put the kabosh onto tort reform which has proven very successful in reducing practice costs and luring doctors to states with these provisions. Evern if doctors were to offer their services for free they would still be subject to lawsuits. One of our retired docs wanted to volunteer in a free clinic. We found he’d have to pay $8000 a year just to see patients one day a week. Needless to say he’s not volunteering.
There are ways to reduce the cost of care but not when certain interest groups…trial lawyers and the abortion lobby have a stranglehold on the Democrat party.
Lisa
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bellasbane
Guest
And what does Cardinal Burke believe the Republican Party represents? Does their position on abortion alone qualify them for the Catholic vote? Ruling out one party does not automatically translate into an endorsement of the other.
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RobbyS
Guest
Ryan’s own bishop has strongly defended him. The comments about Ryan’s budget came from the staff of the USCCB, which is very liberal.
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bellasbane
Guest
Source? How do we know you didn’t just make these “facts” up?
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