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A WaPo op-ed slamming Ryan? No way!
Interesting to note “The PX90 VP” is trending on WaPo.Matt Miller is a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress
Yes Scipio, amazing but true! And it’s an opinion piece written by the weekly author of a Lefty blog on a Lefty website. I’m shocked that Mr Miller does not appreciate Mr Ryan’s amazing intelligence and courage…or as my granny used to say, “Consider the source.”A WaPo op-ed slamming Ryan? No way!
Interesting to note “The PX90 VP” is trending on WaPo.
I am deeply convinced that this is true. He and Mitt need our prayers.Paul Ryan will helps to get our country back.
To be fair, oil companies do benefit from a separate set of tax rules, which seem to stem from political favoritism, not economic rationality. Now, the oil industry is not the only industry to get special rules, nor is it only republicans who get influenced by special interest money.Oh PUH-LEASE. Why can’t the Left use the word deduction? Big oil gets no “subsidies” in the manner of Solyndra or ethanol. The companies can deduct the business expenses associated with their company’s operations. Just like Apple gets deductions or just like G.E. Funny how no one talks about Obama’s pal Imelt getting “subsidies” that avoid taxes. A double standard! Shocked, I’m SHOCKED I tell you.
The Left is either lying or just plain ignorant. I heard a Senator talking about “income taxes” on gifts. DUH…funny how they don’t even know basic concepts. And these are the people who are supposed to run the country?
Lisa
All natural resources companies have specific industry related deductions. There is a very specific provision related to timber harvest for example. Just as there are special deductions for high tech companies and R&D credits for companies that do research. Obama himself orchestrated a special break for the evil corporate jet owners although he made a lot of hay about this deduction that HE pushed as part of the Stimulus.To be fair, oil companies do benefit from a separate set of tax rules, which seem to stem from political favoritism, not economic rationality. Now, the oil industry is not the only industry to get special rules, nor is it only republicans who get influenced by special interest money.
Below is a link from the Cato institute on the issue, which you certainly cannot describe as left leaning.
cato.org/publications/commentary/eliminating-oil-subsidies-two-cheers-president-obama
I of course totally reject your premise and thus what you advocate in your post and therefore your conclusion because I believe government leaders can show compassion. In many ways it is simply an honest difference of opinion we have as to the role of government. You obviously believe individuals alone can and would handle the problems facing the poor and the sick. I OTOH believe individuals, faith based groups, government, and its leaders can all play a role in helping Christ in His effort. Because I don’t believe Christ would turn down any help He could get including if offered by government. You of course can believe differently. Government leaders and their constituents though are not coerced into coming up with and supporting social programs which out of the goodness of their hearts they might believe could help the poor and the sick. And taxpayers don’t have to pay their taxes towards social programs grudgingly unless they choose to do so. In any case what is remarkable to me is people not having difficulty with Paul Ryan’s budget which makes such drastic cuts to the poor and the sick while increasing defense spending while benefiting the rich with further tax cuts. I’m on board with the nuns on the bus and those Catholic bishops who have expressed concerns about how this fits with the message of Christ towards the poor and the sick. While it further benefits the rich. But if Christian conservatives are fine with it, that’s partly why you’ll never see me be part of a conservative tradition I suppose. We each walk in faith though and in any case may God bless you always along the road you walk in faith and His peace be with you always.There is no empathy in regards government social welfare. Empathy, like compassion, comes from the individual. Government is not compassionate. It can’t be, because nothing is done out of the goodness of anyone’s heart. That requires free will, and not being compelled. There is no compassion on the part of the politicians because they compell others to “donate” to the poor. There is no compassion on the part of the taxpayer because they are compelled to give, whether they want to or not. There is no understanding of compassion on the part of the recipients because they know of points 1 and 2.
What is remarkable to me is the belief that you have to support the government doing something to be compassionate or empathetic. Taxpayers don’t have a choice, and politicians buy themselves a dependent constituency on which they rely for reelection.
As a result, I think it could be said that not supporting government social programs may be the compassionate thing to do.
Jon
Nice article. However, it doesn’t entirely support your opening line about “separate set of tax rules” since the biggest tax break is one that is for all manufacturing. It is also interesting to note that “about 41% of the net income earned by the oil and gas industry is already paid out in federal taxes compared to 26.5% for the rest of the businesses in the S&P 500.” I probably would support eliminating some of the tax breaks but they are often proposed within a “big oil doesn’t pay taxes, they only get handouts” narrative. That turns me off, so to speak.To be fair, oil companies do benefit from a separate set of tax rules, which seem to stem from political favoritism, not economic rationality. Now, the oil industry is not the only industry to get special rules, nor is it only republicans who get influenced by special interest money.
Below is a link from the Cato institute on the issue, which you certainly cannot describe as left leaning.
cato.org/publications/commentary/eliminating-oil-subsidies-two-cheers-president-obama
This topic was already discussed many pages back, and has been beaten to death. It is a false argument with a faulty application and understanding of Catholic Social Teaching, totally ignorant of the concept of subsidiarity. The USCCB coming out against the Ryan Budget is not tantamount to the Bishops coming out against the Ryan Budget, any Catholic worth their salt understands that (sadly) the USCCB is run by the liberal lay staff.I of course totally reject your premise and thus what you advocate in your post and therefore your conclusion because I believe government leaders can show compassion. In many ways it is simply an honest difference of opinion we have as to the role of government. You obviously believe individuals alone can and would handle the problems facing the poor and the sick. I OTOH believe individuals, faith based groups, government, and its leaders can all play a role in helping Christ in His effort. Because I don’t believe Christ would turn down any help He could get including if offered by government. You of course can believe differently. Government leaders and their constituents though are not coerced into coming up with and supporting social programs which out of the goodness of their hearts they might believe could help the poor and the sick. And taxpayers don’t have to pay their taxes towards social programs grudgingly unless they choose to do so. In any case what is remarkable to me is people not having difficulty with Paul Ryan’s budget which makes such drastic cuts to the poor and the sick while increasing defense spending while benefiting the rich with further tax cuts. I’m on board with the nuns on the bus and those Catholic bishops who have expressed concerns about how this fits with the message of Christ towards the poor and the sick. While it further benefits the rich. But if Christian conservatives are fine with it, that’s partly why you’ll never see me be part of a conservative tradition I suppose. We each walk in faith though and in any case may God bless you always along the road you walk in faith and His peace be with you always.
But your opposition to that budget is based on myths.In any case what is remarkable to me is people not having difficulty with Paul Ryan’s budget which makes such drastic cuts to the poor and the sick while increasing defense spending while benefiting the rich with further tax cuts.
Government by definition cannot show compassion. That is a human characteristic and can be expressed only by humans (although I understand there are instances of animals apparently doing so). Of course individual members of government can and do show compassion. I’ve worked with many in social services and believe me they aren’t in it for the high salaries and cushy working conditions.I of course totally reject your premise and thus what you advocate in your post and therefore your conclusion because I believe government leaders can show compassion. In many ways it is simply an honest difference of opinion we have as to the role of government. You obviously believe individuals alone can and would handle the problems facing the poor and the sick. I OTOH believe individuals, faith based groups, government, and its leaders can all play a role in helping Christ in His effort. Because I don’t believe Christ would turn down any help He could get including if offered by government. You of course can believe differently. **Government leaders and their constituents though are not coerced into coming up with and supporting social programs which out of the goodness of their hearts they might believe could help the poor and the sick. And taxpayers don’t have to pay their taxes towards social programs grudgingly unless they choose to do so. ** In any case what is remarkable to me is people not having difficulty with Paul Ryan’s budget which makes such drastic cuts to the poor and the sick while increasing defense spending while benefiting the rich with further tax cuts. I’m on board with the nuns on the bus and those Catholic bishops who have expressed concerns about how this fits with the message of Christ towards the poor and the sick. While it further benefits the rich. But if Christian conservatives are fine with it, that’s partly why you’ll never see me be part of a conservative tradition I suppose. We each walk in faith though and in any case may God bless you always along the road you walk in faith and His peace be with you always.
Lisa,Sorry CMatt but you and I must live in alternative universes.
Lisa
Feelings. Nothing more than feelings…Sorry CMatt but you and I must live in alternative universes.
Lisa
Thanks, maybe I will. I always felt bad for Clarence Thomas, a true success story and*You should read about how Clarence Thomas was double-crossed by Joe Biden - read his book. Joe Biden is a hypocrite and certainly not a good Catholic. I sometimes suspect that some Catholics remain in the Church because of the beautiful setting for weddings and funerals!! The photographs are enhanced by the beauty of the Churches!!! Look at the funeral of Edward Kennedy and the weddings of the other Kennedys. They are mostly pro-choice and Democrats!
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I think it depends on how you define what a subsidy is. If the government allows you to pay less taxes for some arbitrary reason, then that arbitrary tax break is no different than a direct subsidy. Tax for example, the mortgage interest deduction, which is a deduction that has no economic justification. Canada has no such deduction and their housing market is just fine. So, the government gives a lower tax bill to those who borrow money to buy houses. Suppose a typical household saves $2000 because of the deduction. How is that any different than eliminating the deduction and sending people a check for $2000? Its not, your spending power has gone up either way.All natural resources companies have specific industry related deductions. There is a very specific provision related to timber harvest for example. Just as there are special deductions for high tech companies and R&D credits for companies that do research. Obama himself orchestrated a special break for the evil corporate jet owners although he made a lot of hay about this deduction that HE pushed as part of the Stimulus.
While I don’t know that this kind of economic engineering is always appropriate, the point is that these are not SUBSIDIES. IOW XYZ Oil doesn’t get $500 billion dollar “loans” or price supports as for agricultural businesses.
The Cato institute which is right leaning says the following, are they hypocrites too?The problem is that either there is direct obfuscation…calling business deductions “subsidies” or there is a great deal of ignorance. I think a bit of both. The point of course is to demonize “Big Oil” and pretend that their profits are evil whereas profits by Apple or other solar panel companies (probably an oxymoron) are good! The hypocrisy of the Left knows no bounds
Lisa
The subsidy arises when the deductions exceed the actual investment costs. This aspect of the tax code will cost the treasury $11.2 billion over 10 years.
Article criticizes Ryan but does not mention a single time that Democrat Senator Wyden contributed to the plan, it is the Wyden-Ryan plan, not the Ryan plan.
Yes let the games begin! Last night by coincidence I was watching Theology Roundtable on EWTN. There was a lengthy discussion of Catholic Social Teaching and it was so clear how this would benefit our approach to government. Subsidiarity and solidarity in combination to protect the vulnerable and marginalized with the most direct and effective support, combined with the dignity of work and the primacy of the family. If only our government would take a page from this good book! I truly believe that Paul Ryan does approach his economic proposals from a Catholic point of view and it gives me hope for the future.Lisa,
It’s the same old argument, rehashed and reworded, same faulty premise, same misrepresentations. Gonna be a fun 3 months!!!
God bless.
-Paul