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This topic was already discussed many pages back, and has been beaten to death. It is a false argument with a faulty application and understanding of Catholic Social Teaching, totally ignorant of the concept of subsidiarity.

God bless.

-Paul
I’m not surprised it has been. I just hadn’t had a chance to address Jon’s post to me which is all I was doing. As far as subsidiarity, I do know Catholic Sister Simone Campbell has said what Ryan misses though from his Catholic faith is the part about solidarity. She stated this recently in a television interview I saw her do. And here she argued “the Ryan budget rejects church teaching about solidarity, inequality, the choice for the poor, and the common good.” And “that’s wrong” she said.

americanprogress.org/issues/2012/07/nuns_bus.html/print.html

God bless you too.

CMatt25
 
As David Axelrod, senior advisor to the 2012 Obama Reelect Campaign also said yesterday, I don’t agree with Senator Wyden on this one. I understand though why Republicans can’t grasp the concept of Democrats being a big tent and not walking in lockstep all the time on every issue.
You may disagree with the plan, but it is not Ryan’s plan, it is bipartisan plan, it is not a plan of the right, it is a plan a democrat and republican created together. It is an awkward fact for democrats which is why they are trying to make excuses like claiming Wyden was used
 
You make my point for me. An appropriate tax increase similar to what was in place inthe 1960’s could narrow that deficit.

We had enough rich people at that time. If people can get über rich without wiping out the middle class, then I am all for it. If the cost is elimination of a decent standard of living for large numbers of people, to give a break to those who don’t need a break, then I oppose the idea.
Nope. You raise taxes, the rich pay less taxes (by moving their investments offshore, etc).

The problem has never been too little revenue (although, with this President killing jobs, I will grant you that revenues are not what they could be), but too much spending.

Do you spend huge amounts over what you take in? Well, if you don’t, then why should the government do so?
 
Yet I know Catholic Sister Simone Campbell has said what Ryan misses from his Catholic faith is the part about solidarity. She stated this recently in a television interview I saw her do. And here she argued “the Ryan budget rejects church teaching about solidarity, inequality, the choice for the poor, and the common good.” And “that’s wrong” she said.

americanprogress.org/issues/2012/07/nuns_bus.html/print.html

God bless you too.

CMatt25
Bishop Morlino (the bishop of Milwaukee) and Cardinal Dolan (the former bishop of the same diocese) both said that Ryan dutifully developed his budget proposals with solidarity and subsidiarity in mind. Who should we listen to, Sister Campbell, or both of Ryan’s bishops, former and present?

Bishop Morlino Defends Paul Ryan
If you’ve been paying attention lately to some priests and bishops, you might think that Congressman Paul Ryan had been caught beating old women, kicking dogs, and cutting in front of your kids in the cafeteria line.

This lunacy has everything to do with Ryan’s budget which is hardly draconian but actually deals with the issue of the insanely high deficits we’re running to fund this ongoing party we’re throwing ourselves.

I have to wonder where’s the USCCB press release on the immorality of putting our grandchildren in debt?

Bishop Morlino is Paul Ryan’s bishop and he said in this video from EWTN that Ryan is “a fine Catholic gnetleman.” He said he trusts Ryan and he’s a “very responsible lay Catholic” and “makes his judgement very much in accord with all the teachings of the Church.”

I, for one, am very glad to see this.

The part pertaining to Ryan starts at about 3:45 seconds in.

creativeminorityreport.com/2012/05/bishop-morlino-defends-paul-ryan.html

WASHINGTON (CNS) – The president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and the chief author of the recently passed House budget for 2012 have exchanged letters discussing the moral implications of the federal budget debate.

Archbishop Timothy P. Dolan of New York, USCCB president, said in a May 18 letter to Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., a Catholic who chairs the House Budget committee, that he was pleased to know that consideration was given to the foundational principles of Catholic social teaching in drafting the budget plan.

The archbishop’s correspondence came in response to an April 29 letter from Ryan, who explained that the needs of the poor, the sick and the elderly were not being ignored and that it was a moral imperative to address the growing federal deficit in the budget as passed in the House. The Senate has yet to take up the budget.

Ryan’s office released the letters May 19.

The House budget has been criticized by some Catholics who have said that it deviates from the basic tenets of Catholic social teaching. Specifically, they have raised concerns about how the plan would change Medicaid funding in the future, particularly harming children and women, how it would reshape Medicare and would likely reduce access to health care for the elderly, and how its plan to reduce the tax rate for high income individuals would fuel the federal deficit.

Archbishop Dolan reminded Ryan that any budget must keep the needs of the poor as a priority.

He reiterated the guidelines he offered in a Jan. 14 letter to all members of Congress as well as those offered by Bishop Stephen E. Blaire of Stockton, Calif., chairman of the bishops’ Committee on Domestic Justice and Human Development, and Bishop Howard J. Hubbard of Albany, N.Y., chairman of the Committee on International Justice and Peace, in an April 13 letter to the House as it debated the budget bill.

“In any transition that seeks to bring new proposals to current problems in order to build a better future, care must be taken that those currently in need not be left to suffer,” Archbishop Dolan wrote. "I appreciate your assurance that your budget would be attentive to such considerations and would protect those at risk in the processes and programs of such a transition.

“While appreciating these assurances, our duty as pastors will motivate our close attention to the manner in which they become a reality,” he said.

Archbishop Dolan took no stance on the House budget, however.

In his letter, Ryan explained to the USCCB president that he wanted to “provide facts about our budget to help advance an informed debate in light of social teachings about the well-being of the family, subsidiarity, the preferential option for the poor and the dignity of the human person.”

The budget “honors responsibility to family and self work, self-restraint, community and self-government both individually and collectively,” he wrote.

Ryan said the budget would reduce the country’s debt by $4.4 trillion and prevent Medicare from becoming insolvent. He also said it proposes that tax rates be “flattened and broadened” while closing loopholes that benefit upper income earners.

In doing so, he said, the budget “is intended to restore the confidence of job creators in order to encourage expansion, growth and hiring today.”

Archbishop Dolan said he, Bishop Blaire and Bishop Hubbard welcomed further discussion on the budget.

uscatholic.org/news/2011/05/archbishop-dolan-rep-ryan-exchange-letters-houses-budget-2012
 
According to AARP:

The Congressional Budget Office projects that Ryan’s plan would raise seniors’ out-of-pocket expenses by $6,500 per year.

It will be interesting to see how seniors react to this choice. Still impossible to tell, but Ryan may be Romney’s “Sarah Palin”.
 
I’m not surprised it has been. I just hadn’t had a chance to address Jon’s post to me which is all I was doing. As far as Catholic teaching, I know Catholic Sister Simone Campbell has said what Ryan misses from his Catholic faith is the part about solidarity. She stated this recently in a television interview I saw her do. And here she argued “the Ryan budget rejects church teaching about solidarity, inequality, the choice for the poor, and the common good.” And “that’s wrong” she said.

americanprogress.org/issues/2012/07/nuns_bus.html/print.html

God bless you too.

CMatt25
Yes. Sister Simone Campbell represents the liberal Catholic viewpoint on an issue where Catholics differ and are able to do so using their prudential judgment. Other Catholics agree with Ryan’s approach. What is your point? Are you saying I have to support a liberal religous’ viewpoint because she took vows? 🤷
 
I’m not surprised it has been. I just hadn’t had a chance to address Jon’s post to me which is all I was doing. As far as Catholic teaching, I know Catholic Sister Simone Campbell has said what Ryan misses from his Catholic faith is the part about solidarity. She stated this recently in a television interview I saw her do. And here she argued “the Ryan budget rejects church teaching about solidarity, inequality, the choice for the poor, and the common good.” And “that’s wrong” she said.

americanprogress.org/issues/2012/07/nuns_bus.html/print.html

God bless you too.

CMatt25
Following article explains how the plan echoes subsidiary

catholicadvocate.com/2011/05/the-catholicity-of-paul-ryan’s-budget

Bishop Morlino of [Wisconsin](http://www.faith(name removed by moderator)ubliclife.org/blog/wisconsin-catholic-bishop-contradicts-usccb-to-support-paul-ryan) has said Ryan’s ‘approach’ was responsible and ‘in accordance with Catholic principles’ on EWTN’s world over live:

Congressman Ryan has made his prudential judgment about how best to serve the long term needs of the poor. He has done that in accord with Catholic principles. I don’t have to approve his decision, or his budget or anything else. What I do approve of is that he is a responsible Catholic layman who understands his mission and carries it out very responsibly. I feel very strongly about that. The details of his solution are not mine to approve or disapprove. That’s not my field. So, I would think that the religious sisters, though, should concentrate on giving that witness of holiness of all of the wonderful works that they do rather than busing around for political issues. Because, when anything happens like that, if I were to come out in a very political way, I would probably win more followers for the opposition. And, there are many Catholics who feel that very way about the sisters. They really don’t like this. They feel that, their expectation from the sisters is really not this kind of leadership
 
You may disagree with the plan, but it is not Ryan’s plan, it is bipartisan plan, it is not a plan of the right, it is a plan a democrat and republican created together. It is an awkward fact for democrats which is why they are trying to make excuses like claiming Wyden was used
:rotfl: Your idea of bipartisan is different than mine then. Democrats have not generally supported the plan. Republicans have.
 
So, Wyden is a DINO? Is he an extreme right idealogue?
No, all this Ryan budget hubbub proves is that Democrats and liberals don’t give a whiff about the future. They want to spend however much money they need to NOW to pander to their pet voting groups.
 
No, all this Ryan budget hubbub proves is that Democrats and liberals don’t give a whiff about the future. They want to spend however much money they need to NOW to pander to their pet voting groups.
Exactly. I wonder if Wyden will pay for his transgressions?
 
:rotfl: Your idea of bipartisan is different than mine then. Democrats have not generally supported the plan. Republicans have.
Wyden-Ryan plan is more bipartisan given that was co authored by members of 2 different parties than Obama’s budget which was voted down 99 - 0
 
Yes. Sister Simone Campbell represents the liberal Catholic viewpoint on an issue where Catholics differ and are able to do so using their prudential judgment. Other Catholics agree with Ryan’s approach. What is your point? Are you saying I have to support a liberal religous’ viewpoint because she took vows? 🤷
If you say Catholics are able to differ, then the quotes others are posting from pro Ryan budget bishops would just be their conservative viewpoint.
 
Ryan obviously brings a new set of ideas to the campaign, but if Romney is elected, Ryan will pretty much be sitting on a shelf for 4-8 years. Each president says this time is different, and then does the same thing.
Yep, we’re getting Romney and only Romney at the end of the day–my least favorite of all the GOP candidates. Ryan is just for show. But I would take Clinton or Putin over Obama.
 
If you say Catholics are able to differ, then the quotes others are posting from pro Ryan budget bishops would just be their conservative viewpoint.
Correct. That is what I am saying, CMatt25. When it comes to other issues (i.e. abortion, homosexual marriage, euthanasia, etc.), we are not supposed to differ. We can’t vote for candidates who support intrinsic evil. Obama has also opposed to religious freedom, so it’s a pretty clear choice.
 
I highly recommend that Obama or his SuperPac put out a campaign ad with the climate scientist claiming that Ryan encouraged people to make death threats to his 6-year-old daughter. It would fit right in with their campaign strategy, so far.
Good idea, except I really don’t want to draw more attention to this, since it would perhaps makes some people actually carry out on the threat and kill the girl…which is why I didn’t mention the name of the climate scientist.

But I do think Obama should point out how pro-death Romney/Ryan are on environmental and other issues.

And I do think Obama should do a lot more to help reduce abortions in America. I suppose improved health care is one small step so that women will feel they can better afford to have their children. But a whole lot more needs to be done.

I think it would be easier to get Obama into reducing abortions than Romney/Ryan into reducing environmental harms to life on earth…esp since they are so heavily funded by people with opposite interests.
 
So, Wyden is a DINO? Is he an extreme right idealogue?
I’m not familiar with DINOs as much as I am the Republican use of RINOs. Democrats have a bigger tent. Actually though there may not be as many RINOS today because the Republican Party has seemingly become the voice of the extreme right without much of a moderate voice. But the country actually may be experiencing somewhat of a shrinking middle in some respects anyway. Liberals and centrists in one party and the extreme far right making up the other.
 
I’m not familiar with DINOs as much as I am the Republican use of RINOs. Democrats have a bigger tent. Actually though there may not be as many RINOS today because the Republican Party has seemingly become the voice of the extreme right without much of a moderate voice. But the country actually may be experiencing somewhat of a shrinking middle in some respects anyway. Liberals and centrists in one party and the extreme far right making up the other.
You do realize that the Democrats are the ones who (essentially) kicked Joe Lieberman out of the party because he wasn’t far enough to the left?

If any party has gone to the extreme, it is the Democrats. Nancy Pelosi is left of Mao, and the House Democrats follow her lead dutifully.

And when someone steps out of line (i.e. Wyden, Lieberman) to entertain bipartisanship, you see what happens, the Democrats disassociate and say “Well he doesn’t represent US

God bless.

-Paul
 
You do realize that the Democrats are the ones who (essentially) kicked Joe Lieberman out of the party because he wasn’t far enough to the left?

If any party has gone to the extreme, it is the Democrats. Nancy Pelosi is left of Mao, and the House Democrats follow her lead dutifully.

And when someone steps out of line (i.e. Wyden, Lieberman) to entertain bipartisanship, you see what happens, the Democrats disassociate and say “Well he doesn’t represent US

God bless.

-Paul
Please recall that CMatt25 agrees that he is in another universe. I believe it’s called Wonderland.
 
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