Paul Ryan!!

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You do realize that the Democrats are the ones who (essentially) kicked Joe Lieberman out of the party because he wasn’t far enough to the left?

If any party has gone to the extreme, it is the Democrats. Nancy Pelosi is left of Mao, and the House Democrats follow her lead dutifully.

And when someone steps out of line (i.e. Wyden, Lieberman) to entertain bipartisanship, you see what happens, the Democrats disassociate and say “Well he doesn’t represent US

God bless.

-Paul
The radical left-wing Democrats have all but kicked conservative Blue Dog Democrats out of the Democratic Party. My Great Uncle Bill, a West Point and University of Virginia Law School grad, always characterized himself as a moderate Truman Democrat. He would have nothing to do with the Democrats today. I consider myself a relic as well. I am a Rockefeller Republican (moderate on social issues, conservative on issues of fiscal discipline and limited government). We are almost extinct too.
 
Ryan’s hyper-conservative economic views bring him into stark variance with what I feel to be the core of Catholic social teaching. He seems unduly motivated by the Objectivist readings of his past, namely, that there are a “better” class of people who will make the world better if they’re just allowed to do whatever they want. Rand believed that the world was comprised of “producers,” “moochers,” and “looters.” This is starkly in contrast to Christ’s message of the Kingdom, St. Paul’s teaching of the Lordship of Christ, and St. James’ teaching that wishing a hungry brother well but offering him no food is worthless. No surprise that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops criticized his budget proposal in 2012 as contrary to church teaching for taking benefits away from the poor (or “the moochers”).

That’s not to say that I’m a statist, but it’s hypocrisy in the extreme to favor public financing of the Wall Street bailout in TARP while at the same time calling for the revocation of the Federal Reserve’s mandate to keep unemployment low. So financial policy at the behest of large banks is OK, but monetary policy at the behest of borrowers isn’t? This is craaaazy!
 
Correct. That is what I am saying, CMatt25. When it comes to other issues (i.e. abortion, homosexual marriage, euthanasia, etc.), we are not supposed to differ. We can’t vote for candidates who support intrinsic evil. Obama has also opposed to religious freedom, so it’s a pretty clear choice.
Oh well I guess the debate will go on then the next few mos between you and those Catholics here supporting Obama and from what I gather who would argue and make a case for why they are practicing Catholics too. 🍿
 
Yaaaaa! We conservatives and libertarians want to see people get sick and die just so we can line our pockets with their money.
No, they just don’t care who gets harmed in the pursuit of their money & rights; they don’t have much of a sense of duties, responsibilities, or the 10 Commandments (BTW, it is the 10 Commandments that God gave us, not the 10 Rights).
When you think of a conservative or libertarian, is this what you see?
Not really. I think that they mean well (I was myself raised a Republican and understand the philosophy – and there is some truth to teaching a man to fish rather than buying fish for him).

But my heart is very heavy that people refuse to do the right things to reduce harms to life - both re abortion and environmental harms killing people. I find fault with both conservatives and liberals – neither of whom care much about life issues when it comes right down to it.

It’s very easy to rail against other people having abortions, but when it comes to oneself implementing environmental solutions that will reduce harm to life there are very few willing to step up to the plate. Simply denying there are such problems makes it all the more difficult to solve them, bec it leads others to likewise deny the problems.
 
Neither Romney-Ryan nor Obama-Biden are synonyms for Catholic social teaching.

The Democratc ticket replaces the family structure with government, and encourages the break-up of families, through broad direct and indirect support of illegal immigration, and through contraceptive dispensaries in public schools, which discourage academic focus and encourage a social focus, and which also set young people up for a cycle of fornication which often terminates (if not in abortion) with single parenthood, poverty, long-term dependency and few choices…

The Republican ticket favors tax breaks for the wealthy and for corporations, which together tend to suppress upward mobility for the middle class. “Trickle-down” has never substantially materialized. It’s a theory that greater business profits will benefit job creation, but so far even recent incentives (despite repeated promises by corporations) have failed to produce such a benefit. And businesses provide the circular argument that they “don’t [yet] have confidence in the economy” and thus “can’t create new jobs,” when one thing that grows and sustains a healthy economy is in fact new employment.

Both parties are looking out for self-interest: the Democrats to retain their position as the principal providers to a social class which they very much help to create and enlarge; the Republicans to retain positions of power in a virtual oligarchy.

Honest voters have to weigh: Which ticket, if either, will be less likely to create harm to society in the combined elements of Catholic teaching?
 
No surprise that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops criticized his budget proposal in 2012 as contrary to church teaching for taking benefits away from the poor (or “the moochers”).
fnr,

This line of argument has been dealt with already. The USCCB is run by the liberal lay staff, not the Bishops themselves, anyone worth their salt knows that. The Bishops in their annual conference spoke up about this and said that they themselves had been lacking in their emphasis of the principle of subsidiarity and solidarity. As a previous posted said, the current Bishop of Milwaukee and Cardinal Dolan (former Bishop of Milwaukee), Paul Ryan’s own diocese, came out in support of Mr. Ryan.

This argument holds no water, and it’s unfortunate that many people are misunderstanding Catholic Social Teaching.

God bless.

-Paul
 
Announcing the pick at this time was nothing more than a attempt to move the focus off of Romney’s refusal to disclose his tax records. Normally, the VP pick would be announced at the convention.

It is estimated that Ryan’s budget would push 900,000 more children into extreme poverty, while extending tax breaks to the 1 percent who own more than the bottom 90%.

Ryan may oppose abortion, but in terms of some important social justice issues, I don’t think that “voucher boy” can stand up to scrutiny. It will be interesting to see what AARP has to say about him to their membership. And this choice was made by the architect of Romneycare in massachusetts. Utter hypocrisy.

As disappointing as the Obama presidency has been, we can’t afford to continue taking from the poor children in order to increase the net worth of the billionaires. It is wrong morally. It is bad economic policy.
How could anyone vote for Obama who is against all Catholic values? Do I need to name them all? He has caused many problems with the deficit and this country needs two Christians that will get us out of debt and even possibly work on ending abortion. They will take care of all the poor and elderly, you must be listening to the liberals. ROMNEY/RYAN 2012
 
Ryan’s hyper-conservative economic views bring him into stark variance with what I feel to be the core of Catholic social teaching. He seems unduly motivated by the Objectivist readings of his past, namely, that there are a “better” class of people who will make the world better if they’re just allowed to do whatever they want. Rand believed that the world was comprised of “producers,” “moochers,” and “looters.” This is starkly in contrast to Christ’s message of the Kingdom, St. Paul’s teaching of the Lordship of Christ, and St. James’ teaching that wishing a hungry brother well but offering him no food is worthless. No surprise that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops criticized his budget proposal in 2012 as contrary to church teaching for taking benefits away from the poor (or “the moochers”).

That’s not to say that I’m a statist, but it’s hypocrisy in the extreme to favor public financing of the Wall Street bailout in TARP while at the same time calling for the revocation of the Federal Reserve’s mandate to keep unemployment low. So financial policy at the behest of large banks is OK, but monetary policy at the behest of borrowers isn’t? This is craaaazy!
Two Bishops criticized the plan, Bishop Pates and Bishop Blaire. Bishop Earl criticized those 2 Bishops criticism of the budget and Bishop Naumann has said solutions that place emphasis in enrolling people in government programs have been ‘tried for decades’ and failed

Bishop [Morlino](http://www.faith(name removed by moderator)ubliclife.org/blog/wisconsin-catholic-bishop-contradicts-usccb-to-support-paul-ryan) says Ryan’s approach was in accordance with Catholic principals
 
Oh well I guess the debate will go on then the next few mos between you and those Catholics here supporting Obama and from what I gather who would argue and make a case for why they are practicing Catholics too. 🍿
Somehow, I doubt that you will be sitting back, eating popcorn while this is discussed. I’m sure you will be throwing in your personal interpretation of Jesus as something we are all supposed to believe.

As far as practicing Catholics differing, sure. However, those that support voting for the candidate in favor of intrinsic evil, they aren’t following Church teaching. They have used “mental gymnastics” (ArchBishop Chaput) to fabricate proportionate reasons that don’t exist.
 
Neither Romney-Ryan nor Obama-Biden are synonyms for Catholic social teaching.

The Democratc ticket replaces the family structure with government, and encourages the break-up of families, through broad direct and indirect support of illegal immigration, and through contraceptive dispensaries in public schools, which discourage academic focus and encourage a social focus, and which also set young people up for a cycle of fornication which often terminates (if not in abortion) with single parenthood, poverty, long-term dependency and few choices…

The Republican ticket favors tax breaks for the wealthy and for corporations, which together tend to suppress upward mobility for the middle class. “Trickle-down” has never substantially materialized. It’s a theory that greater business profits will benefit job creation, but so far even recent incentives (despite repeated promises by corporations) have failed to produce such a benefit. And businesses provide the circular argument that they “don’t [yet] have confidence in the economy” and thus “can’t create new jobs,” when one thing that grows and sustains a healthy economy is in fact new employment.

Both parties are looking out for self-interest: the Democrats to retain their position as the principal providers to a social class which they very much help to create and enlarge; the Republicans to retain positions of power in a virtual oligarchy.

Honest voters have to weigh: Which ticket, if either, will be less likely to create harm to society in the combined elements of Catholic teaching?
You completely left out abortion, which is clearly stated as an intrinsic evil we can’t support in the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church. Abortion is NOT an issue that is separate from social teaching. It is an issue at its very foundation.
 
If any party has gone to the extreme, it is the Democrats. Nancy Pelosi is left of Mao, and the House Democrats follow her lead dutifully.
I seriously doubt whether Nancy Peloci is to the left of Mao Tse Tung. After all, it was the Republican Richard M. Nixon who shook hands and bowed to the Communist dictator Mao Tse Tung, and not Nancy Pelosi.
 
I seriously doubt whether Nancy Peloci is to the left of Mao Tse Tung. After all, it was the Republican Richard M. Nixon who shook hands and bowed to the Communist dictator Mao Tse Tung, and not Nancy Pelosi.
I don’t blame Nixon for not shaking her hand.😃
 
I seriously doubt whether Nancy Peloci is to the left of Mao Tse Tung. After all, it was the Republican Richard M. Nixon who shook hands and bowed to the Communist dictator Mao Tse Tung, and not Nancy Pelosi.
😃 Allow me some hyperbole to make a larger point.

Still, I don’t think it’s too much of a hyperbole. 🙂

God bless.

-Paul
 
Somehow, I doubt that you will be sitting back, eating popcorn while this is discussed. I’m sure you will be throwing in your personal interpretation of Jesus as something we are all supposed to believe.

As far as practicing Catholics differing, sure. However, those that support voting for the candidate in favor of intrinsic evil, they aren’t following Church teaching. They have used “mental gymnastics” (ArchBishop Chaput) to fabricate proportionate reasons that don’t exist.
How Catholics vote really is not an issue for me. I do find it facinating though the difference of opinions among Catholics here on voting between Romney - Ryan and Obama - Biden. With some in both camps considering themselves practicing from what I gather. But I don’t say you have to believe as I believe. You’ve confused me though on one thing from your post. Are you saying Catholics can be practicing even if they don’t follow teaching?
 
😃 Allow me some hyperbole to make a larger point.

Still, I don’t think it’s too much of a hyperbole. 🙂

God bless.

-Paul
So it is a falsehood that Nancy Pelosi is to the left of Mao Tse Tung? But it is not falsehood, but a fact that the Republican Richard M. Nixon shook hands and smiled upon meeting the Communist dictator Mao Tse Tung?
 
Meaningless poll with so many issues with it it should be thrown out. As many other polls are except Gallup and Rasmussen.

breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/08/13/usa-today-produces-meaningless-poll-to-attack-ryan

God bless.

-Paul
 
So it is a falsehood that Nancy Pelosi is to the left of Mao Tse Tung? But it is not falsehood, but a fact that the Republican Richard M. Nixon shook hands and smiled upon meeting the Communist dictator Mao Tse Tung?
I’m not quite sure the point you’re trying to make here, Joe.

God bless.

-Paul
 
I am a devout Catholic and I can not vote for Obama and Biden who champion Pro Choice, Gay marriage, and through the Heathcare law infringing on our religious freedom per Cardinal Dolan’s speech. Senator Ryan does not want people poor and the government will take care of them, but the number one job is to enforce the constitution and defend our borders. So people like Biden and Pelosi call themselves Catholic but support contraception, abortion, and same sex marriage, this does not sound Catholic to me. At least Romney/Ryan are both Christian, Ryan being Catholic, and are on the side of Catholic social issues per the Vatican. So a really devout Catholic could not possibly vote for Obama/Biden. I have been Catholic since birth, 58 years ago, so I know quite a bit about our religion and the politics that right now are against us. I was told by my priest that to be a Catholic you have to abide by all the rules of the Catholic church. I went to another church with my husband the other day towards the city and was appalled at seeing a bumper sticker in the church parking lot saying, I am Catholic & believe in abortion. I wrote to the church with no response. That person in my book is not Catholic. You can not swing both ways. At least with Romney/Ryan we have a chance to keep our constitutional freedoms. I hope all Catholics will vote for them. We need a change for the better.
 
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