Paul Ryan!!

[DeniseNY]

Why put money into other countries if your so concerned about the one you want to be president of?

Diversification and spreading the risk of investment.

DeSanto, I’m sorry to say this, but the fact is that whatever wealth someone has accumulated does not belong to you or anybody else. What you seem to be advocating is a confiscatory tax code.

 

[PJD1987]

I may not have a Harvard education but even from a child I know what it means when someone puts money in a Swiss bank account. Drug dealers do it all the time. I don’t have to have a Harvard education to add two and two together, they are evading taxes! Higher taxes. Why put money into other countries if your so concerned about the one you want to be president of?

DeSanto,

Your memory seems to be very short. LisaA already countered this ridiculous claim a few pages ago. Yet you cling to this faulty line of argumentation that holds no water. WHY?!!?

God bless.

-Paul

 

[LisaA]

I may not have a Harvard education but even from a child I know what it means when someone puts money in a Swiss bank account. Drug dealers do it all the time. I don’t have to have a Harvard education to add two and two together, they are evading taxes! Higher taxes. Why put money into other countries if your so concerned about the one you want to be president of?

DeSanto you ignore facts and those who understand tax law. You ignored my post asking if YOU pay more than you owe. Do you? What did you think about Justice Hand’s famous quote? There is nothing patriotic about sending in more money than you owe. If you think the tax rules are unfair you have a lot of company. So have the discussion and lobby for a fairer system. But don’t disparage someone because they want to keep their own money and not toss it down the rathole of the Treasury. Even Warren Buffet, the man Obama trots out to plug higher tax rates, said that the reason he doesn’t pay more than he owes, the reason he doesn’t make a voluntary contribution to the IRS is because the government doesn’t do a very good job with the assets it already receives.

As I said, I hope Romney like every other taxpayer in the USA, is using the rules to minimize his tax liability. To do otherwise would simply be foolish.

Lisa

 

[Havard]

I may not have a Harvard education but even from a child I know what it means when someone puts money in a Swiss bank account. Drug dealers do it all the time. I don’t have to have a Harvard education to add two and two together, they are evading taxes! Higher taxes. Why put money into other countries if your so concerned about the one you want to be president of?

Well first off, the Swiss Franc is one of the most stable currencies in the world. It doesn’t experience the kind of fluctuations that even the British Pound or American Dollar do. Secondly, Switzerland has extensive banking laws with strict penalties, so people who deposit their assets will feel more secure in knowing their assets are safe.

As to the point about Mitt, he disclosed his Swiss accounts annually to the federal government anyway, so if anything, that only proves that they were in Switzerland for anything BUT hiding.

 

[rlg94086]

Well first off, the Swiss Franc is one of the most stable currencies in the world. It doesn’t experience the kind of fluctuations that even the British Pound or American Dollar do. Secondly, Switzerland has extensive banking laws with strict penalties, so people who deposit their assets will feel more secure in knowing their assets are safe.

As to the point about Mitt, he disclosed his Swiss accounts annually to the federal government anyway, so if anything, that only proves that they were in Switzerland for anything BUT hiding.

I was going to make a similar point. I think it’s hilarious when people make the claim that he is “hiding” money. If he was hiding it, they wouldn’t know about it.

 

[Dennis_Collins]

I feel he is an excellent choice as vice president. Our governor recently commented that Ryan went to Washington to “do something vs be someone”. This rings true in his stated beliefs.
America in my humble opinion will not survive another Obama term without becoming a socialist state or worse.

 

[PJD1987]

Well first off, the Swiss Franc is one of the most stable currencies in the world. It doesn’t experience the kind of fluctuations that even the British Pound or American Dollar do. Secondly, Switzerland has extensive banking laws with strict penalties, so people who deposit their assets will feel more secure in knowing their assets are safe.

As to the point about Mitt, he disclosed his Swiss accounts annually to the federal government anyway, so if anything, that only proves that they were in Switzerland for anything BUT hiding.

Yes, what is lost in all this stupid tax stuff, is the fact that if Mitt Romney was doing anything wrong he would have a serious IRS problem. Yet, the IRS seems to not have a problem with absolutely anything Mr. Romney has chosen to do with his money. If the IRS can’t dig up something, then you know he’s clean as a whistle. Unfortunately, those that swallow the liberal talking point refuse to acknowledge facts.

God bless.

-Paul

 

[estesbob]

I’m a tax lawyer, so I know quite a bit about taxes. So please, go ahead and explain what is it that you’re getting accusiaing Mitt Romney of having done with his Swiss account. You can be as general or as specific as you’d like, however you prefer. I’d just like to know that you’re not just repeating baseless partisan talking points.

If he knows someway to avoid taxes with a Swiss account I wish he would post it. I have some clients who could use it

 

[estesbob]

I was going to make a similar point. I think it’s hilarious when people make the claim that he is “hiding” money. If he was hiding it, they wouldn’t know about it.

He hid them so well we are talking about it on CAF

 

[DeSanto]

DeSanto,

Have you BEEN on Romney’s page? He has a VERY detailed and specific plan. Mr. Harry Reid, and Debbie Wasserman-Schulz haven’t released their tax returns either, why aren’t you hounding them? THIS IS A NON-ISSUE, AND HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CRUCIAL ISSUES WE FACE IN THIS CAMPAIGN.

Stop spouting liberal talking points that make absolutely no sense and are not founded in fact, WHATSOEVER.

Why don’t you stop ridiculing everyone who has a different view than you? You bet if that woman wanted to run for president I would be just as critical and she had better open up her returns to the public. Anyone who wants to run this country better be ready to put up or shut up. I just watched Romney distance himself today when asked specifics about the Ryan plan. In his own words, he’s not even sure of the specifics. You cannot deny what comes out of his own mouth. You need to calm down. I’m entitled to an opinion!
God bless.

-Paul

 

[DeSanto]

Yes, what is lost in all this stupid tax stuff, is the fact that if Mitt Romney was doing anything wrong he would have a serious IRS problem. Yet, the IRS seems to not have a problem with absolutely anything Mr. Romney has chosen to do with his money. If the IRS can’t dig up something, then you know he’s clean as a whistle. Unfortunately, those that swallow the liberal talking point refuse to acknowledge facts.

God bless.

-Paul

The point is why not put the money into the American economy? He is running for President. didn’t say he was hiding it, didn’t say it was illegal. It is a lower tax rate admit it!!!

 

[DeSanto]

Well first off, the Swiss Franc is one of the most stable currencies in the world. It doesn’t experience the kind of fluctuations that even the British Pound or American Dollar do. Secondly, Switzerland has extensive banking laws with strict penalties, so people who deposit their assets will feel more secure in knowing their assets are safe.

As to the point about Mitt, he disclosed his Swiss accounts annually to the federal government anyway, so if anything, that only proves that they were in Switzerland for anything BUT hiding.

did I say he was hiding it? Nope. How do you think I know about it? It’s about ethics.

 

[estesbob]

The point is why not put the money into the American economy? He is running for President. didn’t say he was hiding it, didn’t say it was illegal. It is a lower tax rate admit it!!!

Actually its not. A US citizen is taxed on his worldwide income regradless of where it is earned.

 

[ishii]

Republicans do not play race politics? Is that why there is the current false Romney ad which states Obama has increased welfare without work, leaving out the state waivers provision, which Romney himself has favored? The ad which also states that Obama has negated the Bill Clinton initiative (triggered by Gingrich), which Clinton has denied? And why Gingrich has made it a point of endlessly repeating that Obama is the food-stamp President, which is not even true, when one compares the number of people on food stamps under GWB? No racial overtones, no race politics here?

Since when is stating the facts race politics? How is alleging that Obama is going to gut the Welfare reform “race politics” ? It is, only if you see everything in terms of race. If you want race politics (and shameful politics) then listen to vice president Biden tell a group of black voters that Romney will “put y’all back in chains”. Tell me something that a Republican of similar rank has said that even comes close to that. Open your eyes (and ears).

Ishii

 

[PJD1987]

DeSanto,

What you fail to understand is that 1. Your opinions are not your own opinions, they are merely regurgitated talking points of liberal pundits and left-wing Democrats…2. Your “opinions” are not fact-based whatsoever.

I have no problem debating someone that comes at me with facts, but you simply do not, you just throw stuff out there and see what sticks. I have a problem with that. Your arguments are not clearly founded, and I will call anyone out on that repeatedly. If you have facts to debate, I will debate them with you. Calling something what it is is not tantamount to “ridiculing everyone who doesnt agree” with me.

If you want to engage in a debate, do your homework first and come forward with some independent thinking, and engage in a debate, don’t just ignore everything everyone else says and repeat arguments that have been debunked over and over again on this thread.

You conveniently just refuse to accept facts and repeat lies and falsehoods and repeatedly attempt to assassinate the character of Mr. Romney. That is unfair, not charitable, and not a genuine debate.

God bless.

-Paul

 

[JimG]

Well yes, I think Ryan was a good pick, because he seems to be one of the few in Congress who intend to try to keep the nation from going off a debt cliff and into bankruptcy.

Further, I trust his character. And that also redounds to Romney, because I believe that Ryan would not agree to be on the ticket if he did not trust Romney’s character.

 

[DeSanto]

DeSanto you ignore facts and those who understand tax law. You ignored my post asking if YOU pay more than you owe. Do you? What did you think about Justice Hand’s famous quote? There is nothing patriotic about sending in more money than you owe. If you think the tax rules are unfair you have a lot of company. So have the discussion and lobby for a fairer system. But don’t disparage someone because they want to keep their own money and not toss it down the rathole of the Treasury. Even Warren Buffet, the man Obama trots out to plug higher tax rates, said that the reason he doesn’t pay more than he owes, the reason he doesn’t make a voluntary contribution to the IRS is because the government doesn’t do a very good job with the assets it already receives.

As I said, I hope Romney like every other taxpayer in the USA, is using the rules to minimize his tax liability. To do otherwise would simply be foolish.

Lisa

Lisa,
I am so sorry I missed some of your post. I am very busy and as much as I enjoy this debate I do have other obligations and have not had time to catch up with all the past post especially as fast as this one is moving. I don’t particularly appreciate the tone you take with me, you are very condescending and disrespectful, and keep pointing out how ignorant I am and sound very self-righteous in my opinion. I’m not sure I would like to continue responding to your type of comments.
I will humor you once more but until you have more respect when speaking to me, don’t expect anymore replies to your post.
No, I do not pay more than I owe, not sure what your point is there. It is a fact that the tax rates are extremely low and if you think that we can simply cut our way out of the mess that our leaders (with an s) have put us in, with no increase in revenue, the numbers simply do not add up especially when you want to add 2 trillion to the deficit for cuts to the rich. Let me add those cuts were supposed to be temporary! Not going to work. AND…this whole conversation was about people taking advantage of the system right. I said sounds like Romney. That made you very angry but, your last statement proved my point. Thank you. That is all I said and my words have been sorely misconstrued.

 

[soma]

Paul Ryan has been a long time member of the Atlas Society, a group that advocates the philosophy of Ayn Rand. Rand is a 20th-century novelist and atheist best known for her philosophy that is centered on the idea that selfishness is “virtue.” Jesus and two millenniums of Catholic theology teach the opposite that selfishness is “wrong.”

examiner.com/article/ryan-vp-pick-puts-catholic-bishops-a-real-quandary

 

[PJD1987]

Lisa,
I am so sorry I missed some of your post. I am very busy and as much as I enjoy this debate I do have other obligations and have not had time to catch up with all the past post especially as fast as this one is moving. I don’t particularly appreciate the tone you take with me, you are very condescending and disrespectful, and keep pointing out how ignorant I am and sound very self-righteous in my opinion. I’m not sure I would like to continue responding to your type of comments.

DeSanto,

With all due respect, not everyone that disagrees with you is being disrespectful and condescending. Simply pointing out the folly of your unsubstantiated points is not condescension. And the same could be said for you, by the way, who, instead of engaging in debate rattle off rumors and lies about a man you don’t even know trying to convince us that he has a bad character. So your qualm about being disrespected loses a lot of its luster when these things are combined. Again, I’m trying to explain the situation here in a respectful way. As I said, I would not mind engaging in a debate of ideas with you, but there is a lack of validity in your statements that really makes that difficult, and you ignore our points, and simply bring up the same arguments again that have already been proven wrong. It makes any conversation very difficult.

God bless.

-Paul

 

[PJD1987]

Paul Ryan has been a long time member of the Atlas Society, a group that advocates the philosophy of Ayn Rand. Rand is a 20th-century novelist and atheist best known for her philosophy that is centered on the idea that selfishness is “virtue.” Jesus and two millenniums of Catholic theology teach the opposite that selfishness is “wrong.”

examiner.com/article/ryan-vp-pick-puts-catholic-bishops-a-real-quandary

Already been debunked on this thread ages ago, and on a wide variety of credible sources easily attainable on the internet.

God bless.

-Paul