Paul Ryan!!

[DeSanto]

Romneycare does NOT equal Obamacare. While they do share things in common, the most important fact is that Romneycare is a statewide initiative that is run and governed by the state. That, in and of itself, is COMPLETELY different than Obamacare, and changes how things are done…completely.

it was his idea are you kidding me, he even said it should be implemented nationwide. Even people in his own party know this. Even his own spokeswoman said the other day that woman that died who worked for Bain would have been covered if she was in Mass. Big Flub!! The whole mandate was pushed by republicans. go ahead and deny it.

Romney was governor of Massachusetts, a very liberal state. As stated before in this thread, Romney’s vetoes of certain legislation was useless because they were overturned by the Democratic legislature. The fact that he was able to get anything done in Massachusetts as a Republican is a miracle and is testament to his governing abilities.

so you agree. it is a fact, he voted pro-choice. He did not stand for life over his political agenda. NOT A LIE!

As far as Ryan’s votes that seem to reject his conservatism, please read his defense of these votes here: freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2917667/posts

I will check it out, but I am waiting for where I lied. You called me a flat out liar! Specify please!

If you’re looking for a 100% purist when it comes to conservative votes, well you’re going to be disappointed, but the fact of the matter is, a lot of conservatives were forced to make incredibly tough decisions under enormous pressure during the economic collapse of 2008. Does that make me lose respect for the guy? Absolutely not one bit. You may differ on that, but thats an opinion. The man certainly is a conservative, and to dispute that using a couple votes does not exactly make a strong case. His record speaks for itself. Also, the prescription drug plan under Bush, the fact that it came in UNDER BUDGET is conveniently lost in all the hoopla over the fact that many people didn’t like it for various reasons. So I think it’s an unfair criticism on that one.

I’m sorry but not just conservatives have to make tough decisions. Who’s going to stand up for what’s right under pressure? that’s what I look for in a leader, not who can come up with the best excuse. Prescription drug plan…unpaid for…fact?

To suggest that Ryan is “part of a do-nothing Congress” is absolutely true. The Congress does do nothing, but it’s not Paul Ryan’s fault. Paul Ryan is the only member of Congress ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO SOMETHING!! Sure, we can disagree about the plan…BUT HE’S THE ONLY PERSON WITH A PLAN TO DISCUSS!! At least he’s TRYING. The do-nothing Congress is the fault of Harry Reid. The House has passed a budget, but Reid refuses to even allow debate on it or a vote, and he has not proposed his own. The Democrats have not proposed a budget in over 1500 days.

never blamed Ryan, just explained being part of this congress is a reason for my opinion on Romney vp choice. Oh and talk about regurgitating talking points…there is a budget that has no chance getting through the house like any other legislation Obama may put up. If he did anything good they couldn’t blame him so they block everything.

Mr. Obama is going to be the only president in US History that NEVER passed a budget in his term.

talking point … right wing

So, yes, the “Congress” as a whole is a do-nothing Congress. But that is the fault of the Democrats, and “Congress” does NOT equal Mr. Paul Ryan. That is an absolutely false claim to make that he has done nothing in the House. He is the only one actually trying to do something.

I think that covers most of what you said were “a few facts” to back up your disdain for Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan.

As I’ve demonstrated, they’re not exactly as factual as facts should be. Rather, they are rehashed, tired, left-wing arguments to defame Mr. Ryan and discredit Mr. Romney unfairly.

You did not deny anything, you totally made excuses for the FACTS! please take back your accusations of my blatant lies and I will leave you alone. No hard feeling btw. and sorry for all the editing, it’s late.
God bless.

-Paul

EDIT: Btw, my caps are not “yelling”, but rather just for emphasis. Just want to make sure that is clear!

 

[ishii]

Odds are that Obama is going to find a good reason to dump him and announce Hilary as Veep at the Convention.

Lisa

Never happen. Dumping Biden and admitting that it was a huge mistake in picking him would be worse than keeping him, imo. Do you think Hillary would help the ticket?

Ishii

 

[CMatt25]

Rick Santorum said the same thing about putting the audience back in chains. I saw and heard the clip today on MSNBC. Also, listen to Biden’s whole speech and you’ll hear the context of his remark.

That is correct Meltzerboy. You must have been watching MSNBC at the same time I was.

 

[rlg94086]

Never happen. Dumping Biden and admitting that it was a huge mistake in picking him would be worse than keeping him, imo. Do you think Hillary would help the ticket?

Ishii

She does a great Southern accent herself… youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuvZI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[rlg94086]

That is correct Meltzerboy. You must have been watching MSNBC at the same time I was.

Ah…y’all watch the same shows? Bless your hearts…

 

[meltzerboy]

You can defend him all you want, but why did a man from Deleware use “y’all?” Why did he tell the Virginians that he just needs to win their state of North Carolina and they would win the country?

The man is the Democrat gaffe-o-matic. Wind him up, and watch him go…

I admit Biden makes a gaffe a minute, so maybe he should run with Romney in place of Ryan?

 

[Jeffrey]

so obama can’t take it all… if I had that kinda money… i’d be investing too. Just to keep it out of the governments hands.

The point is why not put the money into the American economy? He is running for President. didn’t say he was hiding it, didn’t say it was illegal. It is a lower tax rate admit it!!!

 

[PJD1987]

it was his idea are you kidding me, he even said it should be implemented nationwide. Even people in his own party know this. Even his own spokeswoman said the other day that woman that died who worked for Bain would have been covered if she was in Mass. Big Flub!! The whole mandate was pushed by republicans. go ahead and deny it.

so you agree. it is a fact, he voted pro-choice. He did not stand for life over his political agenda. NOT A LIE!

I will check it out, but I am waiting for where I lied. You called me a flat out liar! Specify please!

#1 I am not denying that the mandate is a terrible idea and that it was implemented in Massachusetts. That is a fact, obviously, but it does not equal a federal program. They do have things in common, as I said, but the simple fact that one is a statewide and one is a federal mandate alters the entire concept of what it is and how it operates. Whether or not he may have supported a nationwide mandate in the past is irrelevant. He is running on a platform to repeal Obamacare, and that is a fact. If you think he’ll take office and not accomplish the one thing he ran on, well…that’s Mr. Obama, not Mr. Romney for you.

#2 He was Governor of the State of Massachusetts, as such, he never voted for anything. Do you understand how government works? He has veto power, but it was useless because the Democratic dominated legislature overrode his vetoes every single time. Thus things he did not agree with were passed.

#3 If you read the article I linked in my response, you will see Mr. Ryan explain his votes in his own words. Also, the paragraph under your response explains in more detail how your characterization of Mr. Ryan was unfair.

The rest of my comments you had no argument back for, so I suppose I did specify enough for you there how what you said about Mr. Ryan was a falsehood.

And by the way, it’s not that you are lying yourself, but you are just passing on the lies of others. I’m just trying to inform you that they are not true.

God bless.

-Paul

 

[rlg94086]

I admit Biden makes a gaffe a minute, so maybe he should run with Romney in place of Ryan?

Nah…he’s right at home with Obama. It’s easy to get mixed up, when you are campaigning in all 57 states…

 

[ishii]

She does a great Southern accent herself… youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuvZI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Ouch. That was awful - and phony. Was she joking or serious?

 

[meltzerboy]

I’ve seen it repeated numerous times. The problem with the old context excuse is that he clearly changed to a sort of Southern drawl when saying “Puttin’ ya’ll back in chains…” It sounded very racially oriented and had any white Republican used such words and accent, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would have been picketing their home. If nothing else given the circumstances, given the race agitation on the part of the Democrats, it was in extremely poor taste.

One thing about Joe…he’s the gaffe that keeps on giving. Odds are that Obama is going to find a good reason to dump him and announce Hilary as Veep at the Convention.

Lisa

You know, I was just thinking Obama should have gotten rid of Biden and replaced him with Hillary, not that she would have been willing to be VEEP. Wouldn’t THAT choice have energized both parties!

 

[PJD1987]

Ouch. That was awful - and phony. Was she joking or serious?

These people are disgustingly disingenuous. It’s sickening.

God bless.

-Paul

 

[CMatt25]

You are probably unaware of this CMatt but a doctor or hospital CANNOT accept more than Medicare allows.

You are profoundly incorrect as to what I am unaware of.

 

[PJD1987]

You know, I was just thinking Obama should have gotten rid of Biden and replaced him with Hillary, not that she would have been willing to be VEEP. Wouldn’t THAT choice have energized both parties!

Mr. Obama has shown absolutely no inclination to compromise or change anything he has ever done. To suggest that he’ll dump Mr. Biden at this late date, I think is disproven by his track history. He never backtracks, he pushes forward full steam ahead. He doesn’t take constructive criticism particularly well, and does not listen to outside opinion. I think its him and Mr. Biden all the way.

God bless.

-Paul

 

[Ecoclimber]

Sen. Sanders debunked the Romney lie about preserving Medicare, “Well everybody understands that they are destroying Medicare as it is currently constituted. What they intend to do is convert Medicare over a period of years into a voucher program. So what they’re going to say to a 70 year old senior who is dealing with cancer or heart disease here is a check for eight thousand dollars, go out and get the best private insurance that you can, and lots of luck. Now you tell me, Ed if somebody is dealing with cancer or heart disease, or a serious illness what eight thousand dollars is going to do. Everybody knows what it means is that a). Seniors are going to have to come up with more money out of their own pocket, or their kids are going to have to help them, or worse, they’re not going to get the care they need.”

Fact: $700 million were cuts to drug and health company subsidies NOT to recipients. Good luck in buying health insurance that will cost $18,000 on vouchers for $8,000 and living on social security income.

politicususa.com/bernie-sanders-rips-masks-billionaire-oligarch-puppets-romney-ryan.html

Pope Benedict XVI encyclical, Caritas in Veritate…
"Such development requires a transcendent vision of the person, it needs God: without him, development is either denied, or entrusted exclusively to humanity, which falls into the trap of thinking it can bring about its own salvation, and ends up promoting a dehumanized form of development. Only through an encounter with God are we able to see in the other something more than just another creature, to recognize the divine image** in the other, thus truly coming to discover him or her and to mature in a love that ‘becomes concern and care for the other**."**

The encyclical raises up another essential lynchpin of Catholic social morality, *the common good.*** "Another important consideration is the common good. To love someone is to desire that person’s good and to take effective steps to secure it. Besides the good of the individual there is a good that is linked to living in society: the common good. It is the good of ‘all of us’… It is a good that is sought not for its own sake, but for the people who belong to the social community.**

Thirdly, the encyclical clearly articulates the moral disjunction that erupts when social “progress” is divorced from a consistent ethic of life. It is impossible to address the issue of poverty without addressing abortion and euthanasia, among other life issues. As Pope Benedict XVI says, “…*the social question has become a radically anthropological question." (75) "While the poor of the world continue knocking on the doors of the rich, the world of affluence runs the risk of no longer hearing those knocks, on account of a conscience that can no longer distinguish what is human***.” **

Blessings to all,

 

[rlg94086]

Ouch. That was awful - and phony. Was she joking or serious?

Serious…and seriously embarrassing. If a Republican had done what Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden had done when speaking to a heavily black audience, the press would be skewering them. Instead, they are defending Biden.

 

[Semper_Zelare]

To all 3rd party voters: Don’t listen to this nonsense. A vote for a 3rd party candidate is a gift to the pro-abortion Barrack Obama. If you want Obama to win and continue his assault on the unborn, continue his assault on the constitution, continue his assault on the Catholic Church, continue his assault on the financial solvency of the country, then vote for the “perfect” true-believer candidate of a 3rd party. It might make you feel good - but know what you are doing: you are merely enabling evil policies to continue.

Ishii

I do not fear evil. And neither does the Catholic Church. We should relish in our suffering!

Praise God that there is an assault on the Catholic Church. If it actually gets intense, maybe we’ll be blessed with martyrs! The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Faith. Well, God knows our Faith needs help.

In the Church’s eyes I will be guilty of no sin voting for a third party.

Your rhetoric about “enabling evil” is just that… rhetoric. It is irrelevant to the state of my mortal soul.

P.S. I don’t care at all about financial solvency. God is my master, not mammon.

 

[DeSanto]

so obama can’t take it all… if I had that kinda money… i’d be investing too. Just to keep it out of the governments hands.

seriously so the tax code is now Obamas fault too? The point to this was someone on food stamps gaming the system…kinda like Romney does…thanks for proving my point

 

[rlg94086]

Pope Benedict XVI encyclical, Caritas in Veritate…
"Such development requires a transcendent vision of the person, it needs God: without him, development is either denied, or entrusted exclusively to humanity, which falls into the trap of thinking it can bring about its own salvation, and ends up promoting a dehumanized form of development. Only through an encounter with God are we able to see in the other something more than just another creature, to recognize the divine image** in the other, thus truly coming to discover him or her and to mature in a love that ‘becomes concern and care for the other."**

The encyclical raises up another essential lynchpin of Catholic social morality, *the common good.*** "Another important consideration is the common good**. To love someone is to desire that person’s good and to take effective steps to secure it. Besides the good of the individual there is a good that is linked to living in society: the common good. It is the good of ‘all of us’… It is a good that is sought not for its own sake, but for the people who belong to the social community.

Thirdly, the encyclical clearly articulates the moral disjunction that erupts when social “progress” is divorced from a consistent ethic of life. It is impossible to address the issue of poverty without addressing abortion and euthanasia, among other life issues. As Pope Benedict XVI says, “…*the social question has become a radically anthropological question." (75) "While the poor of the world continue knocking on the doors of the rich, the world of affluence runs the risk of no longer hearing those knocks, on account of a conscience that can no longer distinguish what is human***.” **

Blessings to all,

What does Caritas in Veritate have to do with bloated, federal bureaucracy? Did the Pope advocate a particular approach to helping the less fortunate? If so, you certainly didn’t quote it.

 

[ishii]

I do not fear evil. And neither does the Catholic Church. We should relish in our suffering!

Praise God that there is an assault on the Catholic Church. If it actually gets intense, maybe we’ll be blessed with martyrs! The blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Faith. Well, God knows our Faith needs help.

In the Church’s eyes I will be guilty of no sin voting for a third party.

Your rhetoric about “enabling evil” is just that… rhetoric. It is irrelevant to the state of my mortal soul.

P.S. I don’t care at all about financial solvency. God is my master, not mammon.

Oh, I was not directing my post to you, but to anyone who might be considering a 3rd party vote who has the ability to reason.

Ishii