Paul Ryan!!

[Elizabeth502]

Hi, Lisa.
I’ve always thought that cafeteria plans are a win/win, because what they do for those operating those plans is create “pools” anyway, given the rates of popularity of certain covered items. A 70-year-old female doesn’t need maternity coverage, and a 22-year-old doesn’t need proximate coverage for Assisted Living/Long-Term In-Home care. However, the 22-year-old may want to enroll in a Health Savings Plan for some eventual needs.

I also continue to believe – and I know this opinion is probably not popular on CAF – that the government does have some role to play in supporting universal catastrophic-only coverage. It is in the national interest to ensure that hospitals do not go bankrupt due to their ethical requirement to save the lives of those uninsured. It is the one area in which I believe some kind of a mandate is appropriate: the individual pays for some kind of hospital insurance, which the government can require companies or instiutions to provide. The pool is the entire country, which minimizes the burden for any individual. And if you already have coverage for that within a general medical plan, there is not an issue, nor need you go to a different plan or a minimal plan.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

or perhaps they are practicing the democratic party version of Catholicism - exhibited by their pro-abortion, pro euthanasia, pro 'its just about their private sex lives", pro “oral sex is not sex”, pro gay marriage, pro photo-op Communion, pro-spend, spend spend, pro federal government intervention to solve all personal decisions - support

Is that what I, a Catholic Democrat, am all about? Thanks for setting me straight. I wouldn’t have wanted to contradict any stereotypes.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Sure. Where else? Fly-over country?

New York City has 3 airports. Doesn’t that make it fly-over country?

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

New York City has 3 airports. Doesn’t that make it fly-over country?

Well, just two if you consider the actual location. Newark Airport is, well, in Newark, NJ.

And no plane flies over NY without stopping. Anything destined for Washington or Philadelphia or other such larger towns knows to stay well clear of the Big Apple if it thinks that it doesn’t have to stop and say hello.

 

[DeSanto]

True, but an ER can’t give you chemotherapy or perform open heart surgery.

Many cannot receive those luxuries in the current state of the system. Those people will now have the same chance as others that are more successful. I understand the lack of medical staff to be more of a problem.

 

[ComputerGeek25]

Many cannot receive those luxuries in the current state of the system. Those people will now have the same chance as others that are more successful. I understand the lack of medical staff to be more of a problem.

You can recieve chemotherapy and open heart surguery in the current system. Just don’t expect a third party to pay for it and you may have to do a bit more leg work.

Socialized medicine is not the panacea that some make it out to be. Actual health care has to be rationed somehow. This is FACT

 

[DeSanto]

Yes, to a large extent, high joblessness IS Obama’s fault.

good try but, I said he is not at fault for the recession and massive loss of jobs.

We have shut down refineries, oil rigs, coal plants, won’t start new nuclear plants or explore for oil most anywhere on gov’t lands. Notice that as soon as Bernanke prints more money or some company reports better than expected earnings, and stocks go up, the price of oil skyrockets. We are at the mercy of foreign powers; thus there will NEVER be a recovery under a socialist government that discourages fossil fuels.
As far as Congressional cooperation, you do know that Dems had BOTH houses in Obama’s first two years, and now they control the Senate. This Senate hasn’t submitted a budget in over a thousand days, so there is absolutely nothing to discuss. All Harry Reid and the Dems want to do is demagogue and demonize Republicans, while offering nothing of their own.

Yes, I am not ignorant. He was caught up in that whole healthcare costs problem which is the biggest driver of our economy and has confounded Washington for 30 years on how to deal with it. As I said, if the guys up there in congress would have chosen to work with the president instead of making their main focus to regain the “power” and act like a bunch of babies in my opinion, things could have turned out much better for our country and much more could have been accomplished as well after 2010. Go ahead and deny the facts. The republicans have banded together to deny the president anything that might make him look good. Their behavior in that house of representatives is deplorable and should be kicked right out on their u know what. Oh, and they should not be afforded that government health care they all enjoy on our tax dollars since they detest it so much.

 BTW, the REAL unemployment rate is above 12%. This president has been a disaster, and I think that people know it, though some try to lie to themselves and others. :shrug: Rob

 

[YADA]

Is that what I, a Catholic Democrat, am all about? Thanks for setting me straight. I wouldn’t have wanted to contradict any stereotypes.

You ?? - I have no clue about you … are you a Catholic politician - like Pelosi, Biden, and nearly every democratic Catholic elected officail?

Because the post was in response to a post that said something along this line “I did not know there were so many Catholic politicians”

Followed by this … “but are they practicing Catholics”

I once watched the Democratic Convention [it was held in Los Angeles] … and they interviewed a woman from Eugene Oregon who said "I am an active practicing Catholic and I am here to cast my vote to keep abortion rights legal" … she said it -

I believed her - took her at her word…

I told those watching with me that I was glad she was ‘practicing’ … it was all the hope her statement afford … as long as she still practices - she might still learn that killing an unborn child - innocent child - in its mother’s womb is evil - immoral, wrong, a horror, and it hurts the mother, the father, the siblings [thhhose born and yet to be], the entore extended family and our society at large. It is never justified - not ever … sadly Pelosi and Biden share her views - their voting records show it …

We had a Catholic governor [Ted Kulongkoski - raised by nuns too - go figure] who with his wife was NARAL Pro-Choice Oregon’s Honorary Fund Raising Chair for thei annual fall Gala Ball … he also enjoyed the photo-op and news release notice of his taking Communion - especially at military funeral Masses …

Republicans have a few pro-abortion Catholics too [Arnold comes to mind - of course he is or was tied to the pro-choice Kennedy clan] … I esteem them equally with their democratic counter-parts …

Sadly - the democratic Catholics politicians by their public policy stances and votes are pro abortion, pro gay marriage, and pro euthanasia, etc have earned their repretation

Even more sad is the average Catholic democrat - who may be very pro-life but who have aligned themselves with a party platform that espouses the pro abortion anti-life, anti-catholic mantra … my heart goes out to you but you choose to support by your votes, your affilliation, your financial support - a party dedicated to furthing the destruction of the american family …

 

[DeSanto]

You can recieve chemotherapy and open heart surguery in the current system. Just don’t expect a third party to pay for it and you may have to do a bit more leg work.

Socialized medicine is not the panacea that some make it out to be. Actual health care has to be rationed somehow. This is FACT

Forcing insurance companies to cover people is not socialized health care number one. Number two, don’t be so nieve as to think our healthcare is not already rationed through the archaic insurance companies who btw can deny your chemo for any reason they want at any time. And lastly, yes, there are plenty of people being denied the medicines they need for illnesses because of lack of money and insurance.

 

[lynnvinc]

Let me put it this way, we are in process of aborting all life on planet earth thru tipping us into runaway warming and a host of other serious environmental problems, and we ALL have our hand on the abortion scalpel, some more than others. See esp p. 24 of columbia.edu/~jeh1/2008/AGUBjerknes_20081217.pdf

Will Obama be able to turn us around before we reach tipping points of no return and destroy life? Probably not, since we are so committed to our current path of destruction.

Will Romney/Ryan turn us around? Even less likely. They seem to be heads-in-the-sand opposed to even recognizing anthropogenic climate change is a reality, opposed to the science and the scientists. See lcv.org/media/blog/meet-paul-ryan.html & huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/11/climate-change-and-paul-ryan_n_1768171.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012

Of course, we are the ones to blame for this abortion of all life, and we need to reduce our contributions to such harms whether or not the government is with us, but our leaders do have responsibility to help us in this (otherwise what’s the purpose of having a government). Same with medical abortions – it is the abortion women who need to refrain from abortion whether it be legal or illegal, though government can play a role in reducing this grave evil.

I’m against abortion, and have been all my life, well before I became a Catholic, but I’m also against killing off all life on planet earth (including by spontaneous abortions caused by pollution & environmental hazards). Killing innocent people knowingly and willfully is an intrinsic evil. Some may try to tell me that knowingly and willfully killing some innocent people (including fetuses) is okay, while killing other innocent people (including fetuses) is wrong, but it doesn’t wash with me.

A good idea if one is seriously pro-life would be to contact both presidential teams and let them know we are against abortion AND against aborting life on earth thru climate change and other serious environmental problems.

I think if I could get an inkling that Romney/Ryan are amenable to mitigating climate change as well as making abortion illegal I and many others might be more willing to vote for them. So please help me in writing to them (and also Obama re his wrong stance on abortion & how he’s been fairly silent on climate change, as well). Here are their contact sites:

mittromney.com/forms/other
whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments

 

[Ridgerunner]

Yes, I am not ignorant. He was caught up in that whole healthcare costs problem which is the biggest driver of our economy and has confounded Washington for 30 years on how to deal with it. As I said, if the guys up there in congress would have chosen to work with the president instead of making their main focus to regain the “power” and act like a bunch of babies in my opinion, things could have turned out much better for our country and much more could have been accomplished as well after 2010. Go ahead and deny the facts. The republicans have banded together to deny the president anything that might make him look bad. Their behavior in that house of representatives is deplorable and should be kicked right out on their u know what. Oh, and they should not be afforded that government health care they all enjoy on our tax dollars since they detest it so much.

it had not actually confounded Washington for 30 years. Hillarycare was proposed and rejected. Nothing else was proposed until Obama’s supporters in the House tried to pass full socialized medicine. It did pass the House. That wouldn’t pass the Senate, which Democrats also controlled. So then Reid and Pelosi came up with Obamacare, which obama didn’t even want, but settled for. That’s not a matter of “Washington being confounded” for 30 years, but a matter of “The Democrat Party being confounded” for perhaps as long as a year. The Repubs had no say in it whatever, and Obama acknowledged that. And you blame the Repubs for that?

The Repubs have passed a good deal of legislation in the House, including budgets. But they all die in the Senate because Reid won’t allow the budgets to come up for a vote. Won’t even let them vote.

Obama proposed a budget, but even his Senate Democrats wouldn’t all back it.

And you think the Repubs are blocking legislation?

 

[DeniseNY]

You can recieve chemotherapy and open heart surguery in the current system. Just don’t expect a third party to pay for it and you may have to do a bit more leg work.

Socialized medicine is not the panacea that some make it out to be. Actual health care has to be rationed somehow. This is FACT

So you’re ok with people who currently have healthcare (and insurance that they choose to pay for), losing it and being at the mercy of bureacrats?

 

[DeniseNY]

You can recieve chemotherapy and open heart surguery in the current system. Just don’t expect a third party to pay for it and you may have to do a bit more leg work.

Socialized medicine is not the panacea that some make it out to be. Actual health care has to be rationed somehow. This is FACT

perhpas I’m misunderstanding you, but are you arguing against both Obamacare and private health insurance?

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

it had not actually confounded Washington for 30 years. Hillarycare was proposed and rejected. Nothing else was proposed until Obama’s supporters in the House tried to pass full socialized medicine. It did pass the House. That wouldn’t pass the Senate, which Democrats also controlled. So then Reid and Pelosi came up with Obamacare, which obama didn’t even want, but settled for. That’s not a matter of “Washington being confounded” for 30 years, but a matter of “The Democrat Party being confounded” for perhaps as long as a year. The Repubs had no say in it whatever, and Obama acknowledged that. And you blame the Repubs for that?

The Repubs have passed a good deal of legislation in the House, including budgets. But they all die in the Senate because Reid won’t allow the budgets to come up for a vote. Won’t even let them vote.

Obama proposed a budget, but even his Senate Democrats wouldn’t all back it.

And you think the Repubs are blocking legislation?

Actually, President Obama’s last budget was defeated in the Senate 98-0 (IIRC)

 

[RobbyS]

A serious liberal would find this comment highly amusing - but what does it matter anyway? Does the word of a Bishop have less authority it he’s not a raving conservative?

I take it you have not met some staffers of the USCCB, who actually did rave about George Bush being the anti-Christ. I have. In any case. I agree with Judge Bork’s fa cious comment that the bishops were the Democratic Party in robes. Even though, thirty years ago, I agreed with them, I did find it strange that the statements of the USCCB on political issues were an awfully lot like those of the DMC, since I knew that many staffers on the DNC despised the Catholic Church. Archbishop Chaput came from the same place that I did, except that I am more than a decade older. (I voted for Jimmy Carter in 1976, the last time I voted for a Democratic candidate for President.). As for conservative, well the fact is that both parties are liberal, except different forms of liberalism. Before Roe V. Wade. the Republicans were the birth-control, pro-choice party. Many have not changed their mind on that; witness the very liberal social views of the Bush women.

 

[LisaA]

Hi, Lisa.
I’ve always thought that cafeteria plans are a win/win, because what they do for those operating those plans is create “pools” anyway, given the rates of popularity of certain covered items. A 70-year-old female doesn’t need maternity coverage, and a 22-year-old doesn’t need proximate coverage for Assisted Living/Long-Term In-Home care. However, the 22-year-old may want to enroll in a Health Savings Plan for some eventual needs.

I also continue to believe – and I know this opinion is probably not popular on CAF – that the government does have some role to play in supporting universal catastrophic-only coverage. It is in the national interest to ensure that hospitals do not go bankrupt due to their ethical requirement to save the lives of those uninsured. It is the one area in which I believe some kind of a mandate is appropriate: the individual pays for some kind of hospital insurance, which the government can require companies or instiutions to provide. The pool is the entire country, which minimizes the burden for any individual. And if you already have coverage for that within a general medical plan, there is not an issue, nor need you go to a different plan or a minimal plan.

I don’t think anyone disagrees that the government has a role to play in most areas of our lives including healthcare. Unfortunately many (not you of course) posit the theory as an either or situation…either the government inserts itself into every facet of our lives from our toilet tanks to the size of the Slurpy we buy OR the “evil Right” wants people to fend for themselves, for the air to be polluted and the water turn to sludge and for poor people to die of starvation or lack of medical care.

Thiinking people understand that there is some common ground, and as I view it, the government does what we CANNOT do for ourselves. Certain areas such as national defense absolutely cannot be done by individuals. OTOH most of us can feed ourselves, obtain shelter, medical care, transportation. There is a role there for family, for community, for charity and for government. It’s the percentage of each that is always the source of conention.

For healthcare, there is a very large and successful role played by charity in this realm. A true partnership with government would maximize outcomes for the patients. I see the government’s role as more of a Lloyds of London than delving into the minutia of small problems that we should be able to deal with ourselves. Underwriting high risk pools for those with pre-existing conditions who aren’t covered by group policies is an important role as you said, pooling the risk of a larger group of people. Providing support for indigent patients who do not have other resources is another. As you said, if hospitals are flooded with uninsured they cannot keep their doors open. We’ve seen this happen in this community with some of the inner city hospitals with a high demographic of the poor. In fact we closed our pediatric surgery practice at that hospital because we couldn’t pay our staff enough to retain them. Supporting hospitals and clinics in underserved areas or supporting the charities that try to provide this care would be another role.

IOW the goverment is the only entity that has both the size, scope, and funds to help with catastrophic situations whether a natural disaster or in healthcare. It definitely has a role, but for people like me, it’s simply gone way too far with Obamacare being the poster child of perhaps well intentioned but poorly executed ideas.

Lisa

 

[DeSanto]

FWIW the dirtly little secret in this country and the ones the government control addicts don’t want you to know is that people are not denied medical care because they cannot pay.

The whole “healthcare reform” was a ginned up, made up “crisis” that simply masqueraded the true objective. And it has proven to be as effective as it was necessary

Lisa

Oh Lisa, Lord knows you try but sweetie the driver of healthcare cost is those pesky poor indigent people again, making you pay more for your premiums. And you know as well as I do every president for the past 30 years has tried to conquer the healthcare delima. It is hardly a manufactured crisis. WMD in Iraq is a manufactured crisis.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Let me put it this way, we are in process of aborting all life on planet earth thru tipping us into runaway warming and a host of other serious environmental problems, and we ALL have our hand on the abortion scalpel, some more than others. See esp p. 24 of columbia.edu/~jeh1/2008/AGUBjerknes_20081217.pdf

Will Obama be able to turn us around before we reach tipping points of no return and destroy life? Probably not, since we are so committed to our current path of destruction.

Will Romney/Ryan turn us around? Even less likely. They seem to be heads-in-the-sand opposed to even recognizing anthropogenic climate change is a reality, opposed to the science and the scientists. See lcv.org/media/blog/meet-paul-ryan.html & huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/11/climate-change-and-paul-ryan_n_1768171.html?utm_hp_ref=elections-2012

Of course, we are the ones to blame for this abortion of all life, and we need to reduce our contributions to such harms whether or not the government is with us, but our leaders do have responsibility to help us in this (otherwise what’s the purpose of having a government). Same with medical abortions – it is the abortion women who need to refrain from abortion whether it be legal or illegal, though government can play a role in reducing this grave evil.

I’m against abortion, and have been all my life, well before I became a Catholic, but I’m also against killing off all life on planet earth (including by spontaneous abortions caused by pollution & environmental hazards). Killing innocent people knowingly and willfully is an intrinsic evil. Some may try to tell me that knowingly and willfully killing some innocent people (including fetuses) is okay, while killing other innocent people (including fetuses) is wrong, but it doesn’t wash with me.

A good idea if one is seriously pro-life would be to contact both presidential teams and let them know we are against abortion AND against aborting life on earth thru climate change and other serious environmental problems.

I think if I could get an inkling that Romney/Ryan are amenable to mitigating climate change as well as making abortion illegal I and many others might be more willing to vote for them. So please help me in writing to them (and also Obama re his wrong stance on abortion & how he’s been fairly silent on climate change, as well). Here are their contact sites:

mittromney.com/forms/other
whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments

You would vote for Obama because you think global warming is going to kill everybody?

I realize you cannot be convinced that global warming is even debateable, and think it’s an absolute. But no matter who gets elected, nothing we do in the U.S. is going to reduce CO2 emissions significantly because the rest of the world is not going to do it. China alone adds a coal fired plant every ten days, and is actually the biggest emitter. India isn’t far behind. Changing over to natural gas here will make little difference even in U.S. emissions.

But it’s an undeniable fact that Obama promotes and supports abortion on demand. Are you really saying you’ll require Romney to get on board with you on global warming before you’ll oppose abortion and the persecution of the Church?

 

[RobbyS]

it had not actually confounded Washington for 30 years. Hillarycare was proposed and rejected. Nothing else was proposed until Obama’s supporters in the House tried to pass full socialized medicine. It did pass the House. That wouldn’t pass the Senate, which Democrats also controlled. So then Reid and Pelosi came up with Obamacare, which obama didn’t even want, but settled for. That’s not a matter of “Washington being confounded” for 30 years, but a matter of “The Democrat Party being confounded” for perhaps as long as a year. The Repubs had no say in it whatever, and Obama acknowledged that. And you blame the Repubs for that?

The Repubs have passed a good deal of legislation in the House, including budgets. But they all die in the Senate because Reid won’t allow the budgets to come up for a vote. Won’t even let them vote.

Obama proposed a budget, but even his Senate Democrats wouldn’t all back it.

And you think the Repubs are blocking legislation?

Why do they keep thinking that Obama wanted to work with the Republicans? Obama was never a legislator; he doesn’t know how to do it. Lyndon Johnson knew HOW to work with Congress. Obama doesn’t and doesn’t care to learn. It will be played a gillion times but the confrontation between Ryan and Obama is really telling. Less because of what Ryan said than Obama’s reaction. Obama is at first stupified, then angry. Obama is one of those guys who think they are smart, and hate it when they meet someone who is actually smart. Ryan peeled off Obama’s clothes and there he stood intellectually naked. Embarrasing as heck.

 

[LisaA]

Let me put it this way, we are in process of aborting all life on planet earth thru tipping us into runaway warming and a host of other serious environmental problems, and we ALL have our hand on the abortion scalpel, some more than others. See esp p. 24 of columbia.edu/~jeh1/2008/AGUBjerknes_20081217.pdf

Of course, we are the ones to blame for this abortion of all life, and we need to reduce our contributions to such harms whether or not the government is with us, but our leaders do have responsibility to help us in this (otherwise what’s the purpose of having a government). Same with medical abortions – it is the abortion women who need to refrain from abortion whether it be legal or illegal, though government can play a role in reducing this grave evil.

I’m against abortion, and have been all my life, well before I became a Catholic, but I’m also against killing off all life on planet earth (including by spontaneous abortions caused by pollution & environmental hazards). Killing innocent people knowingly and willfully is an intrinsic evil. Some may try to tell me that knowingly and willfully killing some innocent people (including fetuses) is okay, while killing other innocent people (including fetuses) is wrong, but it doesn’t wash with me.

A good idea if one is seriously pro-life would be to contact both presidential teams and let them know we are against abortion AND against aborting life on earth thru climate change and other serious environmental problems.

I think if I could get an inkling that Romney/Ryan are amenable to mitigating climate change as well as making abortion illegal I and many others might be more willing to vote for them. So please help me in writing to them (and also Obama re his wrong stance on abortion & how he’s been fairly silent on climate change, as well). Here are their contact sites:

mittromney.com/forms/other
whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments

You sound so sincere but I have to ask. How many people have died as a result of “global warming?” How many of the predictions regarding “global warming” have acutally come true. Were you around when the same “respected scientists” were predicting mass starvation or the Coming Ice Age?

This is one of the arguments that makes me crazy. We try to make something theoretical like “global warming” into the Boogie Man while simulaneously ignoring reality. Reality is that millions of babies have died as a result of abortion. Millions…

Even if you could prove that X number of babies were spontaneously aborted as a result of “global warming” or other environmental factors, the numbers pale in comparison.

I’m not missing a single second of sleep worrying about unproven and in many ways debunked theories. I don’t care what Romney thinks about about “global warming.”

As a Catholic I care a LOT about the candidates’ position on life issues. On one hand we have Obama/Biden who are MILITANTLY pro abortion. On the other we have Romney/Ryan who are both avowedly pro life.

No contest.
Lisa