Paying a priest to say prayers for the sick

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About ten years ago, my Brother was in hospital with a brain aneurism, and I remember my Sister-In-Law saying she had paid the priest at the Church (Catholic) they got married in to have a mass/say a prayer for my Brother.

Was she ‘winding us up’ back then, or do things like that really happen?
 
About ten years ago, my Brother was in hospital with a brain aneurism, and I remember my Sister-In-Law saying she had paid the priest at the Church (Catholic) they got married in to have a mass/say a prayer for my Brother.

Was she ‘winding us up’ back then, or do things like that really happen?
She offered a stipend to have a Mass said for your brother (ie, specially designated on his behalf). The amount of such a stipend is up to the requester, but for a very long time in the United States the “recommended” amount was $5, although I heard somewhere that the recommendation has recently been raised to $10 (but any amount, even tuppence, is OK).

Canonically, the stipend belongs to the priest (“the worker deserves his wage” - 1Tim 5:18), although many priests choose to donate their stipends to the poor.

It is also customary for a bride and groom to offer a stipend (usually somewhat larger) for the services of a priest presiding over a wedding. This is also sometimes done for a funeral service. I believe these customs also are practiced among protestant Christians. As a former protestant, I was married through a protestant minister, and my mother was buried by one, and I offered both ministers stipends (which they accepted).
 
But why do you have to pay for someone to pray for you?
You don’t. A priest is allowed to bring any number of his own “private intentions” to the Altar at every Mass he celebrates. You can ask a priest to add your intentions to his own, and he will surely do so.

But the “public intention” of the Mass (usually announced at the beginning of the Consecration, which is why it is called “public”) can be offered for only one intention.

I know a priest who (while in seminary) asked his instructor what was the difference. As far as the instructor was concerned, there was no difference. There is no difference stipulated in Canon Law or the Catechism of the Catholic Church, or by any Pope or Council.

So if you want to have the benefits of the Mass offered for a loved one, while denying the worker his wage, you can certainly do so.
 
Apologies, I don’t entirely understand everything yet.

Do you mean like “This is a mass for the feast of such and such a day or festival”?
 
Do you mean like “This is a mass for the feast of such and such a day or festival”?
A “public” intention would be something like “This Mass is offered for the soul and repose of John Doe” announced (usually by the Celebrant) at the beginning of the Consecration. Such a Mass may not be offered on a Sunday, which is always offered in commemoration of Jesus Christ. Some other feast/fast days are excluded by local Bishops. It is possible (and usual) that a Mass is offered on a day that also corresponds to a minor Feast on the Roman Calendar (such as St. Francis), but the Mass intention supersedes a minor Feast for that particular Mass (though the minor Feast may be mentioned).
 
Here in MN, the ‘stipend’ is much steeper; $50.00 - $100.00 is customary and, they are mentioned on Sundays as well.

Interesting.
 
Then they look down their nose at you but, say the Mass anyway. However; prior to getting to that point, most will ‘shame’ you into getting that kind of money or not asking at all.
 
I can understand a stipend for a service provided like a funeral or wedding. But money for prayers I believe is sinful. When Jesus commissioned the 72 he said “freely you have reieved, freely give.” If priests accept money for prayers it would negate the power of God and not one of those people would have been healed because of the priests prayers. Definately would not have been any instant manifestations. The worker does indeed deserve his pay but catholic priests get it given during the church service.

Prayer for healings must be free or there will be no effect.
 
A “public” intention would be something like “This Mass is offered for the soul and repose of John Doe” announced (usually by the Celebrant) at the beginning of the Consecration. Such a Mass may not be offered on a Sunday, which is always offered in commemoration of Jesus Christ. Some other feast/fast days are excluded by local Bishops. It is possible (and usual) that a Mass is offered on a day that also corresponds to a minor Feast on the Roman Calendar (such as St. Francis), but the Mass intention supersedes a minor Feast for that particular Mass (though the minor Feast may be mentioned).
Strictly speaking (in the UK at least, since that’s the length and breadth of my experience in these matters!) one of the Sunday Mass intentions has to be for ‘The People of the Parish’. If there is more than one Mass for any given Sunday (including the Saturday Vigil Mass) then these may be offered for a named intention. But there has to be at least one ‘obligatory’ Mass that’s offered for everyone in the Parish… which sort of makes good sense, if you think about it… that’s the Mass celebrated just for us, unconditionally.
 
No one pays for prayer. A priest should not request money for a Mass. A stipend is a gift, or a way of saying “thank you” which has become a custom. I know whenever someone in my family needs a Mass, our Priest never asks for money but we always give him something.

Like what someone said, it’s in the spirit of “the worker earns his wage”.
 
Here it all is in a nutshell…

There are three different types of intentions that a priest can offer at each Mass:

1) The Mass is offered for the universal Church (i.e., all the living and deceased members). Each and every Mass always includes this intention, and is reflected in the Eucharistic Prayer. Whereas this particular intention is mandatory, the following two are optional.

2) A Mass may also be offered for a “special intention”. Only one special intention may be offered per Mass, per priest (i.e., if additional priests are present concelebrating, each may offer a different special intention). The intention may be for a single individual (such as for the repose of someone’s soul or for the health of someone who is sick), or for two or more people who are grouped together by a common association (for example, for a married couple celebrating their anniversary, for a group of people on a pilgrimage together, for the victims of a natural catastrophe, etc.). A special intention can also be for an event (for example, a good harvest) or for a cause (for example, the Pro-Life Movement).

When someone arranges to “have a Mass said” or “have a Mass offered” for a particular intention, it is along the lines of what I have described here in #2. Many people give a “stipend” (i.e., a donation) for this, usually about five to ten dollars in the U.S. This is entirely optional. A priest cannot charge a fee for this, or for providing any of the sacraments. Once a priest tells someone that he will offer a Mass for a special intention (regardless of whether or not he received a stipend), he is morally obligated to either offer that Mass intention, or pass it along to another priest. If there was a stipend, and if he passes the Mass intention along to another priest, the stipend should likewise be passed along. A priest may agree to offer a special intention on a certain date, but he is not morally obligated to actually do it on that date (but he still has to do it at some point).

The special intention of a Mass may or may not be verbally announced during the Mass. Sometimes it is printed in the church bulletin. All this is up to the pastor. When a special intention of a Mass is announced, it is usually done so at the beginning of Mass and/or during the Prayers of the Faithful. None of this is actually covered by the rubrics of the Missal. Many priests will silently contemplate the special Mass intention at the Opening Prayer (during the pause that follows “Let us pray…”).

Along the lines of what DexUK pointed out, a pastor is obligated to offer (as the special intention) one Mass each Sunday and Holy Day of Obligation for his parishioners. The Latin term for this Mass is pro populo (“for the people”). If for some reason he is unable to (for example, he’s sick in bed) he can do this at a later time (even at a weekday Mass).

As a side note, donations to a priest associated with other events such as baptisms, weddings, funerals, etc. are sometimes called “stole fees” even though, technically speaking, it is not a “fee”. The Church today is trying to get away from terms such as “stipend” and “stole fee”, preferring the term “donation” (to emphasize that this is a voluntary offering).

3) By virtue of his office, a priest can include one or more other personal intentions at a Mass. They can be for himself, for others, for events, or for whatever. They do not have to be grouped together by a common association or such. When a priest tells you, “I’ll remember you (or your sick aunt, or your charity event, etc.) at Mass,” this is probably (but not necessarily) what he means. These sorts of Mass intentions are usually not announced. I know of a priest who keeps a list of personal intentions on a piece of paper in his shirt pocket and touches it while silently praying, “For these intentions” during the Mass. But there is no official way of doing this, and a priest may offer this third type of intention is whatever what he desires.

At this time allow me to offer an elaboration (and clarification) concerning one of my brother’s comments in Post #4. Is there some kind of difference or distinction in terms of the grace associated with each of these three types? To the best of my knowledge, the Church has never officially stated anything along these lines. There may or may not be some sort of distinction, but it has not been revealed to us. Therefore, the answer to this question would be, “God only knows.” Naturally, on our end of things all this should be contemplated recognizing that the spiritual benefit of a single Mass is infinite.
 
thanks to Eric and those that try to explain.

yet its rather amazing that people can even question the idea of giving money to Priests to suport them and to show them appreciation to what they do for us, often in our darkest moments of death or our recognition of failures.

people trapse after the sports stars and actors who spread ludity, permmicusous and sinfull ways with no regard to their spending to seek what is basicly a mortal sin of seeking such.

many live in a nation that promotes war as a economic stimulas, a murder of others in a revengefull war, that has brought the civiilzation to a economic ruin, with people in their ignorance of their obligatoin not standing against a wars, that are UNjustified…

We live in the darkests time of ignorance to our obligation and desire to what Jeusus called us to, and the greatest source of returning to be of knowledge to Truth, we are affraid they might be seen as apprecited…

The Gospel is Truth, and to that, we have to go to Church to seek the word of God, our existence is in vain, but our moral obligation is not to ourselves, but those those that follow us and will live by our example, an example of failure to apprecitate, directly, God by not appreciating those that desire to bring us to God…

david, we would say it a mortal sin to not appreciate a Priest, and to call on them to Pray for us, is selfish, in that you should be praying for them…
 
A “public” intention would be something like “This Mass is offered for the soul and repose of John Doe” announced (usually by the Celebrant) at the beginning of the Consecration. Such a Mass may not be offered on a Sunday, which is always offered in commemoration of Jesus Christ.
This is not correct. Mass intentions certainly can, and are, offered on Sunday. It is possible that your bishop has established some sort of particular law regarding Mass intentions on Sundays. However, this is not the universal norm of the Church.

See the following canons:

vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P3D.HTM
 
What if you don’t have that kind of money?
I think the poster quoting $50 or $100 may be confusing Mass intention stipends with the offerings typically given in thanksgiving for sacraments and also given for the celebration of funerals. Totally different things.

And, as has been stated in this thread already, a stipend or offering is voluntary. The diocesan bishop (or sometimes a province of bishops) typically set a standard. But, you can give whatever you want.

Can. 945 §1. In accord with the approved practice of the Church, any priest celebrating or concelebrating is permitted to receive an offering to apply the Mass for a specific intention.

§2. It is recommended earnestly to priests that they celebrate Mass for the intention of the Christian faithful, especially the needy, even if they have not received an offering.

Can. 946 The Christian faithful who give an offering to apply the Mass for their intention contribute to the good of the Church and by that offering share its concern to support its ministers and works.

See this entire section:

vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P3D.HTM
 
What if you don’t have that kind of money?
In nearly all cases in the Catholic Church, if you honestly cannot afford something of this sort, it will usually be done for free. (Possibly if you can afford it and just really don’t want to pay as well, though I suppose that is up to the discretion of the priest.)

This even includes annulments, which are somewhat more expensive because an investigation into circumstances and the like is required.
 
I think the poster quoting $50 or $100 may be confusing Mass intention stipends with the offerings typically given in thanksgiving for sacraments and also given for the celebration of funerals. Totally different things.
I agree. I’ve assisted with the operations of parish offices in several churches spread out over two states. A Mass stipend for a single Mass is usually five to ten dollars, and I’ve never heard of one in the $50 or $100 range. I suppose this may happen but I think I can safely say that it would still be very rare. In my experience, donations of $50 or more are usually offered in the context of baptisms, weddings, funerals and such.

As a side note, it occurred to me that someone may give a large donation to a parish in conjunction with having several Masses offered for the same intention (for example, a donation of $50 to have ten Masses offered for the repose of a relative’s soul), so maybe word of this sort of thing sometimes causes confusion. In other words, a person hears about a fifty dollar stipend not knowing that it was actually ten $5 stipends.
 
I believe you are confusing the OP.

No priest in the world can deny a person the sacraments and rites offered by the Church because they cannot pay.

Though it is customary, or the normal procedure, to give the priest a certain wage… but however, if you cannot pay this, the priest cannot deny you the sacrament, blessing, or rite in which you seek if you have the proper prerequisites…

The priest is not here to be served, he is here TO serve.
 
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