Peace is not the answer

[Ani_Ibi]

thestickman:

And your definition of a terrorist is?

walstan:

I don’t have one, South Africa once thought they knew, they called him Nelson Mandela, in the 1920’s Britain thought they knew, they called him De-Valera, they thought they knew again in India, they called him Ghandi. The problem with history is that it has a habit of screwing up the best laid plans of men.

Is this more training? Ah! Moral relativism: a very useful tool for a soldier.

walstan:

I am not saying the same will happen with Bin Laden or Zacharwi but, in the eyes of some arabs they already are hero’s and saviours of their world and sadly, WE MADE THEM.

walstan! I am astonished! When did you find time to make them? And how many more of you are there out there making people for the most-wanted list? I am very appreciative of your enterprise; it’s really very sweet, but I really think they can be sent back to the shop now. You were ahead with Mandela and de Valera. Would you send some more of those, please?

 

[abcdefg]

“Gung ho” is Chinese and was introduced into English via the United States Marine Corps.

I can’t figure out which word in Chinese it is. possibly Gong4 he2 which means “republic”. maybe it has another meaning in Classical Chinese, but so far I haven’t come across it.

 

[vern_humphrey]

abcdefg:

I can’t figure out which word in Chinese it is. possibly Gong4 he2 which means “republic”. maybe it has another meaning in Classical Chinese, but so far I haven’t come across it.

“Work together” is Carlson’s translation. He and Samuel B. Griffith (who translated Sun Tzu) where the Corps’ most proficient Chinese linguists of that era.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

walstan:

A non-sequitur is a conclusion that does not logically flow from a premise, OK.

Gotcha.

walstan:

The premise is that WE made both Bin Laden and Saddam.

This seems to be your conclusion. A conclusion lacking a premise. So I guess it could be said that it is a non-sequitur since it attempt to follow from a non-premise. (Hint: my response is a sophistry.)

Bin Laden. Did we or did we not back him in Afganistan in his war against the Russians? Did we or did we not supply him and the Taliban with weapons and/or intelligence?

Yes. Yes.

**Saddam. **Did we or did we not support him in his war against Iran? Did we or did we not supply him with weapons and/or intelligence?

Yes. Yes.

walstan:

So where’s the non-sequitur?

Supporting someone in war and supplying him with weapons and intelligence does not necessarily a terrorist make.

From whom do the English obtain their weapons and intelligence? Who has supported England in war? Because you have taken advantage of this kind of support, does that make your country a terrorist country? No. Because the mindset of ‘terrorism’ is absent from that particular equation.

walstan:

And if they were both thugs before, what in the name of heaven were we doing dealing with them in the first place?

Presumably turning their alleged thuggery against them.

 

[abcdefg]

“Work together” is Carlson’s translation. He and Samuel B. Griffith (who translated Sun Tzu) where the Corps’ most proficient Chinese linguists of that era.

I searched the net. and it turns out to be gong1 he2. a very rarely, if not at all, used abbreviation.

 

[Matt25]

Ani Ibi:

From whom do the English obtain their weapons and intelligence? Who has supported England in war? Because you have taken advantage of this kind of support, does that make your country a terrorist country? No. Because the mindset of ‘terrorism’ is absent from that particular equation.

England has not existed as a separate state for some centuries now. It is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. To say that England is at war is like saying that California invaded Iraq. The United States invaded Iraq. California is part of the US. The UK has been at war. England is part of the UK.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

abcdefg:

I searched the net. and it turns out to be gong1 he2. a very rarely, if not at all, used abbreviation.

So the Americans had a gong-he attitude then?

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Matt25:

England has not existed as a separate state for some centuries now. It is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. To say that England is at war is like saying that California invaded Iraq. The United States invaded Iraq. California is part of the US. The UK has been at war. England is part of the UK.

England it is then.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Ani Ibi:

So the Americans had a gong-he attitude then?

HooAHH!http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif

 

[MikeWM]

Matt25:

England has not existed as a separate state for some centuries now. It is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. To say that England is at war is like saying that California invaded Iraq. The United States invaded Iraq. California is part of the US. The UK has been at war. England is part of the UK.

Indeed. It isn’t the ‘Queen of England’ either. It also isn’t the Union Jack, which isn’t strictly relevant but something I particularly moan about

Mike

 

[vern_humphrey]

MikeWM:

Indeed. It isn’t the ‘Queen of England’ either. It also isn’t the Union Jack, which isn’t strictly relevant but something I particularly moan about

Mike

And it isn’t London, either – it’s Westminster.

 

[abcdefg]

Ani Ibi:

So the Americans had a gong-he attitude then?

You gong ho have been tricked by that linguist!
sheng1 si3 yu3 gong4 is a proper word. which literally means share in life or death

 

[Ani_Ibi]

vern humphrey:

And it isn’t London, either – it’s Westminster.

It’s none of the above. It’s Mornington Crescent! I win!

 

[MikeWM]

vern humphrey:

And it isn’t London, either – it’s Westminster.

Indeed. The City of London is a mostly boring place where people earn lots of money and everywhere is closed on weekends. The City of Westminster has almost all of the interesting things.

Mike

 

[Ani_Ibi]

abcdefg:

You gong ho have been tricked by that linguist!
sheng1 si3 yu3 gong4 is a proper word. which literally means share in life or death

Now that’s something I can get behind. The Americans can have a gong-he attitude. The English can have a tally ho attitude (if I can find out what it means). The Canadians are going to have a sheng-si-yu-gong attitude! It’s ours: finders keepers.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

Ani Ibi:

The English can have a tally ho attitude (if I can find out what it means).

Ok. I have found out what it means. From UsingEnglish.com: “This is an exclamation used for encouragement before doing something difficult or dangerous.” It says that it is British English which could mean that it is English, Scottish, Cornwallish, Welsh, or all or any combination of these. So it’s settled then: the English may have it as long as they wear wode and kilts, dig trenches, eat pasties, and sing. That’s a very jolly – but daunting – attitude to have!

Tally ho! :bounce:

 

[vern_humphrey]

Ani Ibi:

Ok. I have found out what it means. From UsingEnglish.com: “This is an exclamation used for encouragement before doing something difficult or dangerous.” It says that it is British English which could mean that it is English, Scottish, Cornwallish, Welsh, or all or any combination of these. So it’s settled then: the English may have it as long as they wear wode and kilts, dig trenches, eat pasties, and sing. That’s a very jolly – but daunting – attitude to have!

Tally ho! :bounce:

Okay, now what about "Yoicks!"http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif

 

[MikeWM]

Ani Ibi:

Ok. I have found out what it means. From UsingEnglish.com: “This is an exclamation used for encouragement before doing something difficult or dangerous.”

The two uses the average person would think for ‘tally ho’ is

a) The kind of thing an upper-class person in the Air Force fighting in World War 2 would say when performing a tough manoeuvre

or

b) The cry that went up before a fox-hunt (which has finally been banned).

There is a pub only a couple of miles away from me called the ‘Tally Ho’

Mike

 

[vern_humphrey]

MikeWM:

The two uses the average person would think for ‘tally ho’ is

a) The kind of thing an upper-class person in the Air Force fighting in World War 2 would say when performing a tough manoeuvre

or

b) The cry that went up before a fox-hunt (which has finally been banned).

There is a pub only a couple of miles away from me called the ‘Tally Ho’

Mike

And here I thought a talley ho was a ho who can count.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif

 

[Wolseley]

Kind of surprised no one has caught this already, but…

walstan:

we lashed out, invaded Iraq, threatened Iran, called other countries “The Axis of Evil” and generally behaved like a progesterone driven teenager puting his emotion in front of his brain.

Um, I think what you mean there is testosterone…pregesterone is a female hormone, meaning that the “emotion-driven teenager” of which you speak would not be a “he”.