Peaceful Muslims, are they CAFETERIA MUSLIMS???

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Say, I’ve read that if a Muslim doesn’t accept jihad they aren’t considered real Muslims. They are, in fact, Cafeteria Muslims. A real Muslim kills the infidel.

Just like our very conservative Traditionalists observe strictly all Church edicts, and then some, strict Muslims are extreme in the tenets of Islam. Whereas a strict Catholic prays the Rosary daily, goes to benediction and daily Mass, goes to Confession, offers sufftering to Jesus, is strict in Church, so the strict Muslim is also devoted to Islam in the same way. They are willing to fight and die for the faith, while trying to kill the infidils. A Christian becomes a missionary, starting hospitals and schools in Africa. A Muslim’s idea of spreading the faith is to terrorize those who reject it, and kill them as needed.

So, I think a ‘moderate Muslim’ is another term for a Cafeteria Muslim.
 
Sailboat said:
Say, I’ve read that if a Muslim doesn’t accept jihad they aren’t considered real Muslims. They are, in fact, Cafeteria Muslims. A real Muslim kills the infidel.

Just like our very conservative Traditionalists observe strictly all Church edicts, and then some, strict Muslims are extreme in the tenets of Islam. Whereas a strict Catholic prays the Rosary daily, goes to benediction and daily Mass, goes to Confession, offers sufftering to Jesus, is strict in Church, so the strict Muslim is also devoted to Islam in the same way. They are willing to fight and die for the faith, while trying to kill the infidils. A Christian becomes a missionary, starting hospitals and schools in Africa. A Muslim’s idea of spreading the faith is to terrorize those who reject it, and kill them as needed.

So, I think a ‘moderate Muslim’ is another term for a Cafeteria Muslim.
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You’re right. Not all Muslims are educated in their faith. They are just as ignorant as the cafeteria Catholics. At least we can be thankful for the Muslims ignorance. Otherwise, they might practice what Islam preach.
 
Sailboat said:
Say, I’ve read that if a Muslim doesn’t accept jihad they aren’t considered real Muslims. They are, in fact, Cafeteria Muslims. A real Muslim kills the infidel.

Just like our very conservative Traditionalists observe strictly all Church edicts, and then some, strict Muslims are extreme in the tenets of Islam. Whereas a strict Catholic prays the Rosary daily, goes to benediction and daily Mass, goes to Confession, offers sufftering to Jesus, is strict in Church, so the strict Muslim is also devoted to Islam in the same way. They are willing to fight and die for the faith, while trying to kill the infidils. A Christian becomes a missionary, starting hospitals and schools in Africa. A Muslim’s idea of spreading the faith is to terrorize those who reject it, and kill them as needed.

So, I think a ‘moderate Muslim’ is another term for a Cafeteria Muslim.
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You think this, but you haven’t provided a shred of evidence for your opinion. Don’t you think that if you are going to make sweeping claims about another religion, you ought to have some sort of basis for these claims? You appear to be pulling these things out of your hat (or perhaps getting them from some equally ill-informed person).

I don’t claim to be very knowledgeable about Islam myself. Which is why I would never make these kinds of claims about what is or is not “real” Islam. Neither you nor I have any grounds for these assertions.

Edwin
 
cathgal said:
You’re right. Not all Muslims are educated in their faith. They are just as ignorant as the cafeteria Catholics. At least we can be thankful for the Muslims ignorance. Otherwise, they might practice what Islam preach.
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And from what deep well of knowledge do you draw your expertise? Obviously you are claiming to know far more about Islam than these “ignorant” Muslims. This isn’t impossible, of course. Frankly, I know more about Catholicism (on an intellectual level) than many Catholics. I even know some things about Islam that some of my Muslim students back in New Jersey didn’t know. But if you’re claiming that these peaceful Muslims are ignorant, you owe us some account of just what you know that they don’t.

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
And from what deep well of knowledge do you draw your expertise? Obviously you are claiming to know far more about Islam than these “ignorant” Muslims. This isn’t impossible, of course. Frankly, I know more about Catholicism (on an intellectual level) than many Catholics. I even know some things about Islam that some of my Muslim students back in New Jersey didn’t know. But if you’re claiming that these peaceful Muslims are ignorant, you owe us some account of just what you know that they don’t.

Edwin
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I don’t claim to be an expert. My view is just a generlization.

You claim you’re not knowledgeable about Islam so I hope you don’t ignore this expert.

q-and-a.org/Transcript/?ProgramID=1086
 
LOL
how did i know before i even clicked on that link that it would be robert spencer… asking him about islam is like asking the kkk about black peoples contribution to america…

thats all i am going to say… oh and also…

watch out the big bad scary muslims are coming to get you boo!
 
Per the OP:

It’s not the same because there is no central authority governing them. Calling some Muslims cafeteria Muslims is like calling members of the UCC cafeteria Baptists.
 
Muslim said:
LOL
how did i know before i even clicked on that link that it would be robert spencer… asking him about islam is like asking the kkk about black peoples contribution to america…

thats all i am going to say… oh and also…

watch out the big bad scary muslims are coming to get you boo!
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Regardless, your religion preach violence. Plain and simple !
 
Genesis315 said:
Per the OP:

It’s not the same because there is no central authority governing them. Calling some Muslims cafeteria Muslims is like calling members of the UCC cafeteria Baptists.
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You’re right. My view is, in any religion, you wouldn’t find all to practice the same thing. Be it ignorance, indifference, or self-interpretation. The only source you can depend on is what their religion teaches. With Islam, the Koran is very clear on what it teaches. How the Muslims live out their faith is their own personal business.
 
Well, The question here is the Muslims make the claim that the radicals burning effigys and shooting a nun in the back, ect-
are not following Islam.
If this is true- what is wrong with what Sailboat is speculating?
He is saying that you can have a Cafeteria Muslim. In the case of radicals maybe they follow some things of their faith, but they dont follow others.
therefore he is giving credit to them as well with this speculation and the Muslims will not say otherwise.
but turn it around and imply that the cafeteria muslim exists and maybe that is why there are peaceful muslims -
See the responses!

I did speculate that there could be such a thing.
The only flaw with this theory I can see- is one is making an educated choice to embrace or reject certain things in Islam or are they only doing whatever their Imam tells them to?

Who knows.
 
Muslim said:
LOL
how did i know before i even clicked on that link that it would be robert spencer… asking him about islam is like asking the kkk about black peoples contribution to america…

thats all i am going to say… oh and also…

watch out the big bad scary muslims are coming to get you boo!
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We all know that your last scentence was about the closest thing to truth you will see a Muslim post.
 
Damascus said:
Well, The question here is the Muslims make the claim that the radicals burning effigys and shooting a nun in the back, ect-
are not following Islam.
If this is true- what is wrong with what Sailboat is speculating?
He is saying that you can have a Cafeteria Muslim. In the case of radicals maybe they follow some things of their faith, but they dont follow others.
therefore he is giving credit to them as well with this speculation and the Muslims will not say otherwise.
but turn it around and imply that the cafeteria muslim exists and maybe that is why there are peaceful muslims -
See the responses!

I did speculate that there could be such a thing.
The only flaw with this theory I can see- is one is making an educated choice to embrace or reject certain things in Islam or are they only doing whatever their Imam tells them to?

Who knows.
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Really good point Damascus. 👍
 
As far as someone claiming they are religious and peaceful, Churchgoing Cafeteria Catholics also claim to be religious, but often ignore Church teaching on many points. Also, I really think much of the Muslim world, for instance, supported 911 attacks, sympathise with suicide bombers, etc. Even if they don’t personally participate, they support it and hate the West.

In the West, basically we’ve incorporated many Christian values into our secular societies. Since our philosophical basis is grounded in Chrisitianity, this perspective affects our culture generally. That’s why we have such a civil society that respects the rights of others, because we are Christian nations.
 
cathgal said:
I don’t claim to be an expert. My view is just a generlization.
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Irresponsible generalizations are deadly.
You claim you’re not knowledgeable about Islam
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Not enough to say the things you have said.
so I hope you don’t ignore this expert.

q-and-a.org/Transcript/?ProgramID=1086
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I don’t. I actually saw that program and I take Spencer seriously. But I also take other experts seriously–the great historian Marshall Hodgson, for instance.

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
Irresponsible generalizations are deadly.

Not enough to say the things you have said.

I don’t. I actually saw that program and I take Spencer seriously. But I also take other experts seriously–the great historian Marshall Hodgson, for instance.

Edwin
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What Spencer said made sense. There are ignorant, indifferent and devout Muslims. They choose to practice Islam however they see fit. Some choose peace and some choose violence. To know what is actually taught in Islam, one just need to open the Koran. That’s all it really comes down to.

Hope I’ve made my point clearly now.
 
I think Spencer has a new book on Muhammed coming out. He is basing it solely on what early Muslim authors said. That way they can’t attack him without attacking their own sources. I am betting it will really annoy them.
 
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