Well, Bob. All we ever got was the “slippery slope” sham. Since we couldn’t prove it at the time, the threat was not real. And that was repeated over and over and over and over and over…
A lot of talk but this is not a blip. If you want, you can go to the NAMBLA web site and read about how they want to educate the public that what they do is OK. You might also want to get the FBI’s view on child pornography.
Having known survivors of child sexual abuse, I can say without equivocation that I would NEVER approve of child abuse. I would rather take a bullet than allow a child to be abused. It’s a foul and heinous crime. And if you recall, I’m the one who mentioned NAMBLA in the first place. Even the suggestion that I would approve of downplaying child abuse is highly offensive to me.
I was not talking to you. And I’m sorry you took it that way. MY POINT IS - Leftists, radicals and others post here all the time trying to say morality and sex is whatever they want it to be. Sexual perverts of all variety are working hard - here - to convince Catholics that immoral, perverted sexual activity is OK. And the way some dress? We’ve got three threads going about how people should dress in public. Sexual perverts don’t care about modesty.
Oh, I agree, Id say within the next 20 or so years, after the gay community gets all they want, the next group to step up will be the pedophiles, and they will have marches, and protests and experts claiming it is OK, yada, yada, yada, and whats even worse, Id bet, just like it is with the gay community now, more and more people will slowly come around to accept these pedophiles, and say we should respect their desires. It will be exactly what the gay community went thru before they were finally accepted by a large percentage of the population.
I greatly appreciate your clarification.
But the fact is that child molestation is rampant – among so-called respectable people. You wouldn’t recognize them as “abnormal.” I worked side by side with a guy who was as “normal” as you could get – very likeable. He had a wife and children. Unbeknownst to anyone else, he was abusing male friends of his sons. His victim tally was 18 I believe – although he was charged with far fewer crimes than that. He was sentenced to seven years, which I thought was a travesty. And we have a case currently underway here in Jersey where a female teacher in her twenties is accused of sexual impropriety with a 15-year-old male student. And, as I mentioned before, also in Jersey, a priest stands accused of molesting a 14-year-old girl. So the deal is, sex abusers don’t parade around with horns, pitchfork, and a tail. They are “respectable” members of the community. That’s why it’s so insidious.I mentioned Dr. Fred Berlin’s treatment program. He deals with people who don’t want to offend. And they are treated with group therapy and voluntary chemical castration. Maybe if more potential offenders could be made aware of these treatments, we could avoid some of the horrible crimes we see.
No. The goal is to have it removed as a disorder. The goal is to say man-boy sex is OK.
Thank you for your polite and understanding reply. It’s clear by my reading that sexual preferences don’t matter and we must “embrace our differences.” Bestiality? We all know what good and respectable behaving people are capable of but if the solution is to open the floodgates to “don’t hurt my feelings or shun me” because I have sex with boys, what’s next? Necrophilia is OK?I greatly appreciate your clarification.
We need to educate parents to stay involved with their kids and protect them from abusers.
I mentioned Dr. Fred Berlin’s treatment program. He deals with people who don’t want to offend. And they are treated with group therapy and voluntary chemical castration. Maybe if more potential offenders could be made aware of these treatments, we could avoid some of the horrible crimes we see.
It being in the DSM 5 does not explain the removal, this year, of Transgenderism, or ‘Gender Identity Disorder.’ The credit is not given to scientific research but years of lobbying by the LGBT community.
Unfortunately as Ed noted, it can easily be voted off the island so to speak. Homosexuality was voted out as a mental disorder…other than those who find their homosexuality distressing of course. Heaven forbid that a person realizes that this is NOT normal behavior, all voting aside of course. Not that there were no lobbying efforts by the gay activists. I believe one of the APA presidents was gay at the time this vote was taken to add fuel to the fire that this was simply a political vote and NOT based on any scientific study or empirical evidence.
Ed, we can tell people it’s wrong today and in the future because victims are harmed by this behavior. It’s impossible to rape and assault someone – adult or child – without doing harm. That’s why I don’t see some sort of shift in opinion about child molesters. They are considered the scum of the earth by the liberal friends I have. And these people are off the charts as far as being left-wing is concerned. I’ve never seen a shred of sympathy for child abusers.
As you and Ed note before, I think the disease model is very tricky indeed. In so many criminal cases, you see defense attorneys trying to instill sympathy for stone-cold murderers by blaming brain damage or low IQ for their evil deeds. (Oddly enough, the killers manage to hide evidence of their crimes.) But we still see these people being locked up all the time. In other words, I think juries take a common sense approach to these issues and toss people away anyway.
Then go to the NAMBLA web site. Read it. Men having sex with boys? I think your missing the not so big picture here. It’s quite specific: we don’t want to feel guilt or shame or any other negative feeling about our sexual preference. Read their FAQ.Ed, we can tell people it’s wrong today and in the future because victims are harmed by this behavior. It’s impossible to rape and assault someone – adult or child – without doing harm. That’s why I don’t see some sort of shift in opinion about child molesters. They are considered the scum of the earth by the liberal friends I have. And these people are off the charts as far as being left-wing is concerned. I’ve never seen a shred of sympathy for child abusers.
As you and Ed note before, I think the disease model is very tricky indeed. In so many criminal cases, you see defense attorneys trying to instill sympathy for stone-cold murderers by blaming brain damage or low IQ for their evil deeds. (Oddly enough, the killers manage to hide evidence of their crimes.) But we still see these people being locked up all the time. In other words, I think juries take a common sense approach to these issues and toss people away anyway.
As for the linkages between homosexuality and child sexual abuse, I’m not familiar with those statistics. Girls are more likely to be abused than boys. So abusers who preferentially target girls would fall in the heterosexual category – if that’s the connection you want to make.
As for treatment, I put links above for your consideration.
Most everyone here is arguing that because of advances made by the gay rights movement, we will some day allow child-adult sexual relations become mainstream. I don’t think that’s the case. I hope and pray we never do.
It just further stuns me how right you may very well be…I am at a loss for words. All I can think about is how can we protect children if/when society accepts pedophilia as a norm.